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My wife has been campaigning on this for 2 years now. It's been trying and exhausting, but the finish line is in sight. She doesn't get a vote anymore but she's been back all week canvassing and getting the vote out.
It was a slightly abstract issue for me (i obviously support it, but it can feel far away as a man untouched by it) until we hosted a woman who traveled over, and it burnt me with fury how Ireland was forcing women to travel like this.
The No side, are the people who brought you the laundries, Tuam, the Christian Brothers cover up. Regardless of the outcome today (count is tomorrow) we have to fight the perfidious influence of people like the Iona Institue and their US dollars with everything we have
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Irish Referendum on 11:48 - May 25 with 4995 views
Perhaps we could help bring NI into the modern era next.
On this - please write to your MPs and raise your concern about Northern Ireland. If repeal should pass tomorrow how can we have Northern Ireland ignoring the rights afforded to both Irish and British citizens (they're blocking same sex marriage too). The DUP are in fact refusing form a government because after the last NI elections they lost their veto.
Your voice counts and makes a difference on keeping it on politician's agenda - Northern Ireland is basically always the first thing forgotten about
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Irish Referendum on 12:37 - May 25 with 4912 views
My wife has been campaigning on this for 2 years now. It's been trying and exhausting, but the finish line is in sight. She doesn't get a vote anymore but she's been back all week canvassing and getting the vote out.
It was a slightly abstract issue for me (i obviously support it, but it can feel far away as a man untouched by it) until we hosted a woman who traveled over, and it burnt me with fury how Ireland was forcing women to travel like this.
The No side, are the people who brought you the laundries, Tuam, the Christian Brothers cover up. Regardless of the outcome today (count is tomorrow) we have to fight the perfidious influence of people like the Iona Institue and their US dollars with everything we have
I remember your wife was successful in aborting flights from Ireland.
My wife has been campaigning on this for 2 years now. It's been trying and exhausting, but the finish line is in sight. She doesn't get a vote anymore but she's been back all week canvassing and getting the vote out.
It was a slightly abstract issue for me (i obviously support it, but it can feel far away as a man untouched by it) until we hosted a woman who traveled over, and it burnt me with fury how Ireland was forcing women to travel like this.
The No side, are the people who brought you the laundries, Tuam, the Christian Brothers cover up. Regardless of the outcome today (count is tomorrow) we have to fight the perfidious influence of people like the Iona Institue and their US dollars with everything we have
I hope the vote goes her way tomorrow . I hadnt heard of the Iona institute so I googled them .
They are fckin nuts ...
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Irish Referendum on 13:44 - May 25 with 4800 views
My wife has been campaigning on this for 2 years now. It's been trying and exhausting, but the finish line is in sight. She doesn't get a vote anymore but she's been back all week canvassing and getting the vote out.
It was a slightly abstract issue for me (i obviously support it, but it can feel far away as a man untouched by it) until we hosted a woman who traveled over, and it burnt me with fury how Ireland was forcing women to travel like this.
The No side, are the people who brought you the laundries, Tuam, the Christian Brothers cover up. Regardless of the outcome today (count is tomorrow) we have to fight the perfidious influence of people like the Iona Institue and their US dollars with everything we have
@robith 'It was a slightly abstract issue for me (i obviously support it, but it can feel far away as a man untouched by it) until we hosted a woman who traveled over, and it burnt me with fury how Ireland was forcing women to travel like this.'
Any serious progressive movement (which unfortunately we currently lack) has to take up the cause of those denied equal rights i.e. take up universalist, humanist politics. Women can't play an equal role in society if they can't control their own fertility. Men thus have an interest in women's rights, just as white people have an interest in fighting racism. Otherwise we are stuck in the dead end of identity politics.
Minority view here obviously, but I am bit perplexed that people who are opposed to life being taken in the name of justice are prepared to see it snuffed out in the name of progress, equality, compassion, expediency, etc. You don’t have to believe in an almighty God to be disturbed by that.
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Irish Referendum on 20:19 - May 25 with 4440 views
I think it will be close. This is not the first time a referendum on this subject has been foisted on the people of Ireland. This is in fact the 6th time, the last being in 1983. Resounding no's each time, however times and attitudes here in Ireland have changed since. Gone are the days of cowering to the Vatican and its draconian measures and laws. However many culchies including my neck of the woods would seem firmly in the no camp, even many youngsters. Townies and city types seem to lean towards yes. Both camps have debated and campaigned hard and at times it has not been pretty. Some aggressive campaigners and I won't say which camp, came to my door one night. I was shocked by the sheer venom they spouted because we had differing views. I had to be quite forceful [ vocally ] to get rid of them. Enough to put you off referendums I tell you. Anyway we shall see tomorrow which way it went. For the losers I hope they take it with good grace.
There aint half been some clever bastards.
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Irish Referendum (n/t) on 20:43 - May 25 with 4399 views
Could be a terrible double-whammy weekend for the Vatican with Ireland voting yes and Liverpool wining. Imagine being the Pope and it goes to penalties. Your poor papal heart wouldn't survive.
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Irish Referendum on 20:59 - May 25 with 4379 views
Minority view here obviously, but I am bit perplexed that people who are opposed to life being taken in the name of justice are prepared to see it snuffed out in the name of progress, equality, compassion, expediency, etc. You don’t have to believe in an almighty God to be disturbed by that.
Wow I had to think long and hard about that one . I think its the idea of the state deciding and carrying it out that is the difference .By definition that is in all of our names rather than the individual choice of a termination .its a good point .
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Irish Referendum on 21:32 - May 25 with 4343 views
Minority view here obviously, but I am bit perplexed that people who are opposed to life being taken in the name of justice are prepared to see it snuffed out in the name of progress, equality, compassion, expediency, etc. You don’t have to believe in an almighty God to be disturbed by that.
Irish Referendum on 20:59 - May 25 by essextaxiboy
Wow I had to think long and hard about that one . I think its the idea of the state deciding and carrying it out that is the difference .By definition that is in all of our names rather than the individual choice of a termination .its a good point .
If I was in Ireland, I genuinely don’t know how I’d vote. Repeal would mean you wouldn’t have to say to an abused 14 year old that they would have to carry their baby. Against that, there seems to be an absolutist camp that denies any autonomy to an unborn child and to the idea that any other person would feel moved to intervene to protect them. If the Irish government’s proposal of abortion on demand to 12 weeks, then intervention only to save mother’s life only, I could maybe support that maybe, but those inconvenient restrictions are always eroded, as they have been in UK abortion law. See also euthanasia, where relief of the terminally ill has been extended to offing the depressed in some countries. If you’re comfortable with it, you’re probably doing it wrong.
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Irish Referendum on 22:25 - May 25 with 4297 views
If I was in Ireland, I genuinely don’t know how I’d vote. Repeal would mean you wouldn’t have to say to an abused 14 year old that they would have to carry their baby. Against that, there seems to be an absolutist camp that denies any autonomy to an unborn child and to the idea that any other person would feel moved to intervene to protect them. If the Irish government’s proposal of abortion on demand to 12 weeks, then intervention only to save mother’s life only, I could maybe support that maybe, but those inconvenient restrictions are always eroded, as they have been in UK abortion law. See also euthanasia, where relief of the terminally ill has been extended to offing the depressed in some countries. If you’re comfortable with it, you’re probably doing it wrong.
Yeah I'm pretty much in agreement with that view.
I agree with Jack Nicholson's view, insofar as it's posssible to 'like' anything to do with this unfortunate subject. Jack wouldn't be here if his mother had had an abortion, which she could easily have done, and he is pro choice but also anti abortion as a result. I guess that it comes down to whether you are prepared to give somebody else the right to do something that you wouldn't want to be involved in yourself
If you imagine a situation where you are somehow faced by all of the unborn people that you've maybe denied an existence, then how would you explain it to them? I don't think that I could be comfortable with that, but obviously you don't ever have to face that. I think that I would be more comfortable with abortion if all parties involved in the sharp end of the debate spent as much time and effort trying to prevent the need for it in the first place, because it's not going to be a good situation to end up in, regardless of your view.
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Irish Referendum on 22:30 - May 25 with 4282 views
Minority view here obviously, but I am bit perplexed that people who are opposed to life being taken in the name of justice are prepared to see it snuffed out in the name of progress, equality, compassion, expediency, etc. You don’t have to believe in an almighty God to be disturbed by that.
Definition of life I suppose.
A clump of cells with no synapses, no memory function, and no nerve endings is no more living tissue than a toenail.
How this is true from a scientific paper rather than a QPR forum:
Even if you accept that 24 week cut-off, 226 older foetuses were aborted in the UK in 2016. That’s obviously a tiny fraction of all abortions, but a large absolute number.
Telling to me that murderers are extended the benefit of any doubt in any debate of the death penalty, but the value of foetal existence is “arguable”. I read a tweet from a supporter of the abolition of Article 8, in the name of his grandmother who’d been forced to leave Ireland by the shame of unwanted pregnancy, which seemed potentially ironic given the source of the tweet.
Redundant now that the post has been withdrawn. I’m not out to score points, I find this an excruciating topic, and not something to be celebrated as a mark of progress.
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Irish Referendum on 23:47 - May 25 with 4180 views
Even if you accept that 24 week cut-off, 226 older foetuses were aborted in the UK in 2016. That’s obviously a tiny fraction of all abortions, but a large absolute number.
The youngest ever surviving premature baby was born at 21 weeks. Over 1,500 older foetuses were aborted in the UK in 2016.
Please don’t mistake my backing of the legality for advocation. Any abortion is a disaster.
While we’re throwing numbers around, 3000 actual full grown born and birthed adults in the U.K. froze to death last year. When are we going to have a referendum on the legality of that?
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Irish Referendum on 23:57 - May 25 with 4169 views
Minority view here obviously, but I am bit perplexed that people who are opposed to life being taken in the name of justice are prepared to see it snuffed out in the name of progress, equality, compassion, expediency, etc. You don’t have to believe in an almighty God to be disturbed by that.
Perhaps if contraception was a more widely used there would be less need for abortion.