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Freeman to Norwich 09:15 - Apr 13 with 10789 views

From the same source as the Carvalhal Post. He's going to Norwich for £4.5m plus add ons. Can't say I believe either rumour but if he did go for that money then it must be a clause in his contract.

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Freeman to Norwich on 19:01 - Apr 14 with 2530 views

oldmisery

Freeman to Norwich on 19:00 - Apr 14 by colinallcars
What's a wum ?

Wind up Merchant?

Freeman to Norwich on 19:02 - Apr 14 with 2529 views

loftboy

Freeman to Norwich on 19:00 - Apr 14 by colinallcars
What's a wum ?

Wind up merchant

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Freeman to Norwich on 19:32 - Apr 14 with 2469 views

daveB

If we get anything over 5million for him then we've done well imo

Freeman to Norwich on 20:56 - Apr 14 with 2312 views

Mark_Edwards

Freeman to Norwich on 14:51 - Apr 13 by dodge_stoke_r
I don't have a problem with selling to rebuild. But why is it that QPR seem to "gift" players away. £4.5M is a joke.

In negotiations you always get done over if (a) your requirements are not set out properly. (b) If your negotiator is not up to speed. (c) If you don’t understand the values. (d) If you are desperate to sell. There are other reasons also.

However I would focus on item b. as to why we get short-changed

Now then where did I leave my tin hat?

Freeman to Norwich on 21:33 - Apr 14 with 2252 views

Roller

Why would Norwich be signing Freeman?

They are about to come into a £100 million bonanza, so why would they sign a player who is arguably not good enough to get in their team now?

If Luke goes this summer,I'd suspect it would be to a team who were not quite good enough to win promotion and that would immediately limit the transfer fee.

Freeman to Norwich on 21:44 - Apr 14 with 2223 views

Antti_Heinola

Freeman to Norwich on 20:56 - Apr 14 by Mark_Edwards
In negotiations you always get done over if (a) your requirements are not set out properly. (b) If your negotiator is not up to speed. (c) If you don’t understand the values. (d) If you are desperate to sell. There are other reasons also. However I would focus on item b. as to why we get short-changed Now then where did I leave my tin hat?

Absolutely!
Worst example of that of course was the Trevor Sinclair deal wasn't it!

Bare bones.

Freeman to Norwich on 22:17 - Apr 14 with 2160 views

Mark_Edwards

Freeman to Norwich on 21:44 - Apr 14 by Antti_Heinola
Absolutely! Worst example of that of course was the Trevor Sinclair deal wasn't it!

They didn't do very well on that one did they

Yes the Club's representative was confused obviously.
A million plus two Wham cast offs. That was well in the past.
Very poor but so was Charlie to Southampton or Smithies to Cardiff and a couple of other mismanaged deals. Who is our negotiator now? Who is our confused representative in deals currently?
Would it be Saint Lee I wonder?

Freeman to Norwich on 22:30 - Apr 14 with 2123 views

stainrods_elbow

Ssh - no name calling, it makes one less credible, apparently! ('St. Lee' could choke on his own halo before some people here thought to put his performance under the microscope, I'm sorry to say.)

I'd say £6million could be OK money for Freeman, depending on other factors. He's a good Championship player, but I'm not sure he's cut and dried Premiership class. That said, he'd be a real loss to us, as we're hardly over-blessed with playmakers, and nor is this league.

The other big factor next season is the fate of Eze, who hasn't really kicked on this season as I'd have hoped. For me, he has much skill and natural ability as Sterling, biut does he have the same ambition, drive and passion? He could /should be the dog's bollocks at this level . . . if he has the, uh, bollocks.

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What will be our upcoming/final points tally? (8 games to go)

Freeman to Norwich on 09:04 - Apr 15 with 1956 views

francisbowles

Put simply Freeman is worth what others are prepared to pay.

There were no higher offers for Austin or Smithies so we accepted what we could get.

We don't know if Luke has a release clause in his most recent contract. If he has then that is what we will get, any extra will go to the player. If he doesn't have a release clause then we need two or more bidders to push up the final price.

Freeman to Norwich on 09:15 - Apr 15 with 1932 views

robith

Freeman to Norwich on 10:19 - Apr 14 by TGRRRSSS

Anybody thinking we're going to even get the £8m for Freeman which would cover the lack of further parachute payments for next season is very hopefuly, not saying this wil happen but this kind of deal is probably as good as we'll get.

Bit like Smithies before him, he's not going to command the fees some of us often think, I am also still not convinces he's merely a very good championship player but lets see what happens if he goes next season.

Exactly this. 8 goals and 4 assists (if I've looked it up right) in a team that has fallen apart post Christmas and is up against FFP hardly screams "break the bank lands"

Freeman to Norwich on 10:21 - Apr 15 with 1893 views

Northernr

Freeman to Norwich on 09:15 - Apr 15 by robith
Exactly this. 8 goals and 4 assists (if I've looked it up right) in a team that has fallen apart post Christmas and is up against FFP hardly screams "break the bank lands"

I haven't got the stats for this season to hand but I'd be gobsmacked if he's only got four assists.

Freeman to Norwich on 10:35 - Apr 15 with 1859 views

simmo

Freeman to Norwich on 09:15 - Apr 15 by robith
Exactly this. 8 goals and 4 assists (if I've looked it up right) in a team that has fallen apart post Christmas and is up against FFP hardly screams "break the bank lands"

Few sites have him as 5 rather than 4 but it seems that's around the right figure. I don't think 8 goals is terrible either, but still not where it should be.

I'd be disappointed with the transfer fee mentioned in this post, he's a £7-8m+ player even for a struggling team like us, but then I'm sure he wouldn't have signed that contract without some kind of clause allowing him to move and it's very likely to involve something that brings his transfer fee down even more if the offer comes from the PL.

It's nearly all profit though and he deserves a shot at a higher level, even if it means still being in this league. If we get around £5m plus add ons and a sell-on, it won't be bad business, especially as with Eze/Chair we don't need to try and buy a replacement

ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead

Freeman to Norwich on 10:43 - Apr 15 with 1840 views

rsonist

You usually need an auction but you still get the odd outlier, particularly if you sell late - Boro paid £7m for George Saville uncontested afaik and while not in FFP bother it's not like Millwall are in a strong financial position. And to say he's bang average is doing him a favour.

Freeman to Norwich on 10:51 - Apr 15 with 1812 views

MedwayR

Freeman
2017-18 Games:46 Goals:5 Assists:12
2018-19 Games:46 Goals:8 Assists:7

In a struggling side he’s managed to consistently contribute both goals and assists, roughly 1/4 of our goals come from him scoring or assisting and he contributes a goal/assist every 3 games.

For comparison I’ve put ‘£40m’ Jack Grealish’s stats below which show that his goals/assists contribution is similar albeit in a much better and more attacking team. I’d say they’re quite similar in style, both very important to their teams and only a couple of years difference in age. The striking difference is that Freeman is fit & available far more often.

Grealish
2017-18 Games:30 Goals:3 Assists:6
2018-19 Games:28 Goals:5 Assists:5

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Who’s better?

Freeman to Norwich on 11:22 - Apr 15 with 1751 views

Antti_Heinola

Freeman to Norwich on 22:17 - Apr 14 by Mark_Edwards
They didn't do very well on that one did they Yes the Club's representative was confused obviously. A million plus two Wham cast offs. That was well in the past. Very poor but so was Charlie to Southampton or Smithies to Cardiff and a couple of other mismanaged deals. Who is our negotiator now? Who is our confused representative in deals currently? Would it be Saint Lee I wonder?

'they?'

Charlie to Southampton was not that poor. They decided to hold on to him for a promotion push, when it didn't happen, they had to sell and he only wanted to go to Southampton and he only had 6 months left on his deal. He's been there just over three years and managed 34 starts. I think £4m in retrospect was not a bad deal at all, much as I will forever love him.

I felt we should've got more for Smithies, but again, maybe we overrate players. I think he's a fabulous keeper, I'd have him back like a shot, but one club wanted him - a club at the bottom of the Prem - and he's sat on the bench all season. £3m in retrospect doesn't seem that bad and even at the time I felt it was only slightly under what I'd have wanted.

Your obsession with Hoos is weird. No one thinks he's a saint, no one's kissing his arse. He has an extremely tough job to do, picking up the club from an absolute state, and has been doing a good, if difficult job turning that around. Everyone, including him, will say he's made mistakes or could've done things better. Who among us can say different? Can you? This feels more like a personal thing mate, and it feels a bit distasteful to be honest. Had he given you a discount I wonder if you'd even be here now?

Bare bones.

Freeman to Norwich on 11:29 - Apr 15 with 1741 views

robith

Freeman to Norwich on 10:21 - Apr 15 by Northernr
I haven't got the stats for this season to hand but I'd be gobsmacked if he's only got four assists.

I took the first site I found, but whoscored, who are generally good, have it at 5.

Freeman to Norwich on 12:44 - Apr 15 with 1683 views

JordanFoster

The other factor that will keep his value down is clubs knowing we are in the sh*t with money, it's easy to demand high fees when there is money in the bank and you are in no desperate need to sell. I think 4.5m would be fair all things considered, hes never a PL player.

Freeman to Norwich on 12:51 - Apr 15 with 1668 views

CroydonCaptJack

Freeman to Norwich on 10:51 - Apr 15 by MedwayR

I am really glad you have quoted Grealishes stats in there to because although he is clearly a very good player, assists and goals are what clubs are buying. His are poor compared to his reputation.

Freeman to Norwich on 13:37 - Apr 15 with 1532 views

Antti_Heinola

Freeman to Norwich on 12:51 - Apr 15 by CroydonCaptJack
I am really glad you have quoted Grealishes stats in there to because although he is clearly a very good player, assists and goals are what clubs are buying. His are poor compared to his reputation.

I've been through our goals, and I've got to:

7 assists (plus 2 in the FA Cup)
8 goals
And a further 8 times where we've scored as a result of his ball into the box - corner, free kick, or cross.

When you watch our highlights it's actually incredible how he creates clear opportunities in every game. A really good player, easily good enough for a lower Prem team like Norwich or Leeds. I think Bielsa would love him.

Bare bones.

Freeman to Norwich on 14:06 - Apr 15 with 1454 views

CiderwithRsie

Freeman to Norwich on 12:44 - Apr 15 by JordanFoster
The other factor that will keep his value down is clubs knowing we are in the sh*t with money, it's easy to demand high fees when there is money in the bank and you are in no desperate need to sell. I think 4.5m would be fair all things considered, hes never a PL player.

Exactly.

We (fans) keep trying to price our players by comparing them to others of same quality. But that's not how a market works; the price is affected by
- whether we need the cash (or even just to reduce the wage bill)
- whether the player wants off
- how many clubs actually want a player in this specific position - I mean, how many Premier League clubs signed a new 1st choice 'keeper in summer 2018? Jo Hart went to Burnley for a comparable fee IIRC, Rob Green moved on a free to sit on the bench, I can't remember too many others.

Assuming Freeman isn't going to the Premier League we need a couple of Champ clubs with cash to spend and who are short of a creative midfielder bidding against each other. If it is just e.g. Bielsa at Leeds then we're screwed over all ways as
- no bidding war
- player reasonably enough will want to go to the Prem
- everyone knows we need to sell.

[Post edited 15 Apr 2019 14:09]

Freeman to Norwich on 14:27 - Apr 15 with 1417 views

simmo

Freeman to Norwich on 13:37 - Apr 15 by Antti_Heinola

Agree that he could be great, especially in a Bielsa type team. It's his technical ability PLUS his work rate that's so impressive, he grafts, presses and nearly always retains possession. He can play about 3 or 4 positions too.

Most managers would pay for quality set-piece delivery alone.

ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead

Freeman to Norwich on 14:50 - Apr 15 with 1385 views

Antti_Heinola

Freeman to Norwich on 14:27 - Apr 15 by simmo
Agree that he could be great, especially in a Bielsa type team. It's his technical ability PLUS his work rate that's so impressive, he grafts, presses and nearly always retains possession. He can play about 3 or 4 positions too. Most managers would pay for quality set-piece delivery alone.

First player Bobby Robson would sign, if the club didn't have one, was a dead ball specialist. Ian Harte had a whole career out of just being a player who could strike a dead ball - Larsson at Sunderland similar.

The consistency in quality of Freeman's dead ball delivery is incredible - I'd be very surprised if anyone in the league delivered his quality with, importantly, the consistency of the quality.

Bare bones.

Freeman to Norwich on 15:21 - Apr 15 with 1321 views

francisbowles

Freeman to Norwich on 14:50 - Apr 15 by Antti_Heinola

Can't say I agree with you on that Antti. Yes he does have a good delivery but I find his corners have at times been very inconsistent and he doesn't score many free kicks and this is despite taking the vast majority of attacking free kicks and corners. Also never understood why he doesn't seem to fancy penalties if he is such a deadball specialist.

Not wanting to knock him, he has mostly been by far our best player since he has been here.

Freeman to Norwich on 15:47 - Apr 15 with 1277 views

Antti_Heinola

Freeman to Norwich on 15:21 - Apr 15 by francisbowles

definitely have to disagree there mate. His corners are excellent.
On average, about 3 in 100 corners result in goals. We've had 175 corners this season. I didn't count all our corner goals earlier, but I think it's at least 8, possibly 10. That is MILES above the average. Miles.
People's expectation on corners is way, way too high. Freeman's corners consistently cause trouble, his free kicks from wide are even better. A few are not good, but generally fans under-appreciate how tough taking corners effectively is. It's a really tough skill. Especially a near post one like on Saturday - the margin for error is absolutely tiny. Very, very few of his corners are poor ones.

However, agree he should score more free kicks (although we so rarely seem to get them just outside the box these days), and that he apparently doesn't like taking pens. That is odd.

Bare bones.

Freeman to Norwich on 19:47 - Apr 15 with 1109 views

rsonist

Freeman to Norwich on 12:51 - Apr 15 by CroydonCaptJack
I am really glad you have quoted Grealishes stats in there to because although he is clearly a very good player, assists and goals are what clubs are buying. His are poor compared to his reputation.

On the contrary, it goes to show clubs look further than assists and goals - otherwise Austin would gone to a top six club. No question Freeman is huge for us but Villa with and without Grealish are night and day.

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