| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo 16:54 - Apr 16 with 24191 views | loftboy |
All my deliveries were in W1, SW1 and SE1, drove past the shell building, it’s covered in graffiti, ended up with an hours overtime as it took me best part of two hours to get back to East London from Victoria.
So one big question, how is causing massive traffic jams good for the environment?
My company has just replaced its entire fleet of 100 vans with ultra low emission vans, all buses are now super green, so businesses seem to be doing their bit. Just seems senseless to me. |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:32 - Apr 17 with 1889 views | Boston |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 08:40 - Apr 17 by kropotkin41 |
You lot are so funny. LOL.
I have some pretty fundamental criticisms of the ER, I believe their approach is naive.
Still, I'm afraid the climate breakdown science is very clear, and, if you're at all prone to being terrified, to be approached with caution.
Fortunately, because I am of the opinion that it's too late to avoid a global catastrophe, and that capitalism is as incapable as any hierarchical society have ever been of reforming itself meaningfully, I don't care what people think about the issues. I can have a good laugh at climate change deniers and the critics of principled people who really believe they can protest us to a different outcome.
We, my friends, are royally fcuked. The Earth system is moving into a different state and it's not clear whether human habitat will be widely or at all available afterwards. Sitting in a traffic jam because of the ER is the least of your problems. |
Easy to say when those traffic jams don’t affect those in Wales😉 |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:40 - Apr 17 with 1856 views | LythamR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:04 - Apr 17 by stevec |
But these fundamentals have all previously happened hundreds and thousands of years before and, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure they had nothing to do with Shell or the Ford Motor Company.
As I attained to in an earlier email, this planet has self managed itself for about, let's see, four and half billion years now. Quite a long time as it goes.
Yet apparently left wingers and climate changers can join forces in the 21st Century and manage the Earth better than the Earth itself. |
"As I attained to in an earlier email, this planet has self managed itself for about, let's see, four and half billion years now. Quite a long time as it goes. "
A man can live for many years recovering from the odd cold or flu or even a serious car crash. that doesn't mean that he wont be overwhelmed by pneumonia or cancer |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:46 - Apr 17 with 1824 views | CaptainPugwash |
Narrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Seahorse feathers and dugong manoore..
Too many landlubbers killin' my oceans with 'em poxy little plastic water bottles.
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Remember mateys "there ain't no egos underwater"
Yo Ho! |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:47 - Apr 17 with 1836 views | qprd |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:40 - Apr 17 by LythamR |
"As I attained to in an earlier email, this planet has self managed itself for about, let's see, four and half billion years now. Quite a long time as it goes. "
A man can live for many years recovering from the odd cold or flu or even a serious car crash. that doesn't mean that he wont be overwhelmed by pneumonia or cancer |
As illustrative of an example as this is, you shouldve preempted stevec's response.
"...but if i cant see the cancer, then surely he must not have it!"
"what evidence do you have that you have cancer? youre still alive" | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:17 - Apr 17 with 1754 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:10 - Apr 17 by Lblock |
I’ve just seen the Extinction Revolution spokeskid walk off Sky news in disgust
He says due to the El Niño effect we’re in for another another long hot summer like last year.
This is excellent news as I took a punt on an outdoor rattan corner sofa in February which I’m currently lounging on in today’s lovely weather. It’s about time we had some clear seasons in this country and a few years of long hot summers well overdue in my book.
It’s just a shame we don’t have World Cups every year or outdoor raves like days gone by to use this new weather phenomenon more.
Good weather also great for the economy and with the pound weak even better for the home tourism and spin off industries
This El Niño could be the best signing we’ve made in many a decade |
Get yourself some 60 sunblock Melanoma is available here as well as the Med |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:24 - Apr 17 with 1760 views | qprd |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 13:46 - Apr 17 by CaptainPugwash |
Narrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Seahorse feathers and dugong manoore..
Too many landlubbers killin' my oceans with 'em poxy little plastic water bottles.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4Wem62WwAAfMnR.png:large
Remember mateys "there ain't no egos underwater"
Yo Ho! |
Just to clarify what you've just posted b/c from your post, it does not seem that you understand what is going on:
The decline relates to Co2 emissions in the UK. This is due to changes in electricity generation in the UK
coal is the cheapest fuel to generate electricity, but also horrible for the environment (technically, hydro, solar and wind are cheaper as there is no variable cost, but those fuel sources are expensive up front and not reliable depending on where you are). but yes, the uk has deliberately made a decision to move its generation away from coal and towards less disastrous fuel sources
so basically, you've shown a chart which shows how central planning can have a positive effect on emissions
second, environmental issues arent contained to one country, they affect the whole world. even if all of europe goes entirely to renewables, if china and the us use coal and natural gas, europe is going to be affected. so showing the emissions of one country, particularly one with a fraction of the worlds population, hardly shows anything
without looking at the specific data, i assume you will see significantly higher Co2 emissions globally in the same period. this is because as traditionally poorer countries like india and china have grown massively economically in the last 30 years, and electricification %s (i.e., the % of population which has electricity) have increased significantly, the demand for electricity has gone way up. when poorer countries initially set up their power grid, they typically use cheaper fuel sources like coal, etc. as the fuel costs get passed on to end users in terms of tariffs.
also, as people enter the middle class, they tend to (1) have better nutrition (eg, eat more meat, which has significant climate effects) and (2) drive cars, which pushes up emissions
by contrast, the uk has had much flatter economic growth and has basically had 100% electrification rates for the last 20-30 years. demand for electriciyt probably has stayed relatively flat, and the downward trend in emissions is due to shifting to cleaner fuels | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:27 - Apr 17 with 1747 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 11:29 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
So they were all 13? If London has come to a stand still and they have selfishly blocked roads and bridges due to a load of 13 year olds then we're even worse off than I thought |
Imagine writing that at 1129 on a weekday and calling everyone else a scrounger. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 14:29]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:40 - Apr 17 with 1709 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:27 - Apr 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Imagine writing that at 1129 on a weekday and calling everyone else a scrounger. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 14:29]
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Own my own successful business mate which runs itself now and pays its tax owed into the system. Next? [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 14:41]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:50 - Apr 17 with 1691 views | R_from_afar |
I could waffle on on this topic for hours, as many of you know to your cost, so a few quick bullets:
- CO2 sticks around for hundreds of years so that needs to be factored into the discussion. Even if we decarbonise fully right now, decades worth of CO2 is still affecting us
- Countries are disappearing right now. The National Trust has given up protecting some of its land, e.g. Studland Bay, because it's a losing battle. See also: Island states in the Indian Ocean (buying land for their people elsewhere), east coast of England.
- Onshore windfarms are the cheapest form of new energy.
- Technologies like pumped storage (of water), molten salt storage and batteries mean wind and solar power need not be intermittent
- We need to decarbonise the UK, not just for environmental reasons but from a risk avoidance perspective. We are too reliant on imported - and therefore potentially intermittent - gas, oil etc.
- Quite right re. overpopulation, that is a huge contributor.
- The climate change and global warming we are seeing now are not natural. Dozens of independent studies have been conducted which compare what we are experiencing with what natural cycles cause and those studies show that the changes we are seeing cannot be attributed to natural processes. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 15:14]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:53 - Apr 17 with 1686 views | FDC |
Is there a typo in your last bullet point or have I misunderstood? |  | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:14 - Apr 17 with 1659 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:40 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
Own my own successful business mate which runs itself now and pays its tax owed into the system. Next? [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 14:41]
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Ok, my mistake, you are a self important scrounger. Get back to work mate or you'll end up sacking yourself. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 15:17]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:18 - Apr 17 with 1648 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:14 - Apr 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Ok, my mistake, you are a self important scrounger. Get back to work mate or you'll end up sacking yourself. [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 15:17]
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Nah I'm alright. Might book myself a flight to Barbados for next week instead and let all this blow over | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:22 - Apr 17 with 1639 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:18 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
Nah I'm alright. Might book myself a flight to Barbados for next week instead and let all this blow over |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:32 - Apr 17 with 1623 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:22 - Apr 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
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Yep about right. That looks like business class rather than first but other than that spot on | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:50 - Apr 17 with 1588 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 14:40 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
Own my own successful business mate which runs itself now and pays its tax owed into the system. Next? [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 14:41]
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so you see how it's possible that anypne protesting isn't a scrounger then? Lovely job done. |  |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:54 - Apr 17 with 1577 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:50 - Apr 17 by Antti_Heinola |
so you see how it's possible that anypne protesting isn't a scrounger then? Lovely job done. |
My mistake, all look like completely normal people to me. Self important and selfish | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:56 - Apr 17 with 1572 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:54 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
My mistake, all look like completely normal people to me. Self important and selfish |
What's 'normal' in your world? Christ, don't be different, whatever you do.
And 'self-important' after your posts on this thread? Christ mate, I fully admit I am a right pompous, self-righteous arse on here - but at least I'm self-aware enough to see it. | |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:59 - Apr 17 with 1570 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:56 - Apr 17 by Antti_Heinola |
What's 'normal' in your world? Christ, don't be different, whatever you do.
And 'self-important' after your posts on this thread? Christ mate, I fully admit I am a right pompous, self-righteous arse on here - but at least I'm self-aware enough to see it. |
Sarcasm is obviously lost a little bit on you isn't it? I was fully aware I was being pompous 'mate'
Also normal to me is not bringing London to a stand still and causing havoc for those trying to earn a living. God forbid any emergency service needs to get across that bridge desperately [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 16:01]
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:08 - Apr 17 with 1550 views | stevec |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:56 - Apr 17 by Antti_Heinola |
What's 'normal' in your world? Christ, don't be different, whatever you do.
And 'self-important' after your posts on this thread? Christ mate, I fully admit I am a right pompous, self-righteous arse on here - but at least I'm self-aware enough to see it. |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:10 - Apr 17 with 1548 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 15:59 - Apr 17 by BuckR |
Sarcasm is obviously lost a little bit on you isn't it? I was fully aware I was being pompous 'mate'
Also normal to me is not bringing London to a stand still and causing havoc for those trying to earn a living. God forbid any emergency service needs to get across that bridge desperately [Post edited 17 Apr 2019 16:01]
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Ah sorry Buck, missed your sarcasm there - stuff can easily be lost in text can't it?
Doesn't look like 'havoc' to me, though. And the idea that London is at a stand still is, er, a mild exaggeration.
Sometimes there are more important things than how freely traffic flows through certain parts of a city. | |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:15 - Apr 17 with 1543 views | BuckR |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:10 - Apr 17 by Antti_Heinola |
Ah sorry Buck, missed your sarcasm there - stuff can easily be lost in text can't it?
Doesn't look like 'havoc' to me, though. And the idea that London is at a stand still is, er, a mild exaggeration.
Sometimes there are more important things than how freely traffic flows through certain parts of a city. |
No problem. I have no issue with that they are protesting about and actually pretty much agree. Just do not see what blocking roads for people going about their day/ trying to work or smashing up Shells head office does. Have also just noticed there's 3 people now glued to Corbyns front gate?
Just don't get what this achieves and should have been in a different way. | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:41 - Apr 17 with 1521 views | plasmahoop |
Lots of middle class socialists having a nice day out. | | | |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:53 - Apr 17 with 1484 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:41 - Apr 17 by plasmahoop |
Lots of middle class socialists having a nice day out. |
Same lot that was on the Remain march innit, The working class can kiss my arse... | |
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:14 - Apr 17 with 1460 views | paulparker |
| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 16:41 - Apr 17 by plasmahoop |
Lots of middle class socialists having a nice day out. |
Good day to go shopping in Waitrose |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Got caught up big time today in the climate change demo on 17:21 - Apr 17 with 1442 views | LimehouseR |
As I understand it, one of the biggest contributing factors to climate change and the use of natural resources, water and energy is the meat and dairy industry.
It far outweighs any emissions caused by traffic on the road as a contributory factor to CO2 emissions and the Brazilian rainforests and similar areas are soon to disappear with the amount of land stripped for cattle grazing.
One of the infamous facts based on a scientific study is that a single quarter pounder beef burger patty requires as much water to produce as the average person uses in a month from a daily shower. That to me says a lot.
I dislike the preachy vegan sector but I've stopped eating meat for the past 3 years and cut out dairy now for over a year. I like to think that by doing so I am at least doing my bit. I would never tell anyone what to eat or what is right or wrong morally, it's for an individual to decide themselves after a balanced debate/argument. I get a lot of stick at work when I break out my lunch or I get sighed at when we eat out and I have to check if there is a vegan option but I find that a lot of people just don't like to think about it in the longterm and don't want to change the habits of a lifetime. I think the government reflect this attitude and always seem to be thinking in the short term as this is what benefits them and not the future generations to come.
The protesters this week are perhaps not doing themselves any favours by getting the public on side but I agree with their principles and if it wasn't for the fact I need a clean record and I actually work most days of the week I would probably have joined them in some capacity. But by stretching the police resources all they are doing is stopping them dealing with crime in London elsewhere and stretching an already tired and fed up police service. |  | | |
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