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I disagree. Give 'em enough rope and they'll do the job themselves.That guy was shown up to be the intellectual giant he believes himself to be in his own downstairs loo.
Didn't know who he was before lunchtime today but if anyone ever tried to hold him up in a serious conversation as a great thinker and champion of the right I don't think I'd be able to stop laughing.
But, shamefully, Shapiro has over 2 million followers, his own book and a radio show for him to propagate his views. Whereas, through deplatforming, the likes of Milo Yiannopolous (sp?) and Alex Jones have lost their means of spreading hatefulness.
Shapiro is trending in the UK today and even if the majority of people who had never heard of him before, like yourself, see him for the laughable hack that he is, there are still a minority of would-be incels that will be swayed by him.
Re: Danny Baker, I agree with everything Robith has said in this thread.
I was listening to a few peeps comment on various radio channels yesterday on a long drive across country and quite a few mentioned that the PG tip adds could not be shown on TV now because of of the racist themes behind it!!
Now i'm not sure i ever had this in my thoughts ever. I just say the advert as chimps dressed like workers doing a job and looking great / funny (oh and talking)..
Is this racist? i mean really?
I'd go further by banning tea full stop. If you ban it no need to advertise it. Devils spawn.
But, shamefully, Shapiro has over 2 million followers, his own book and a radio show for him to propagate his views. Whereas, through deplatforming, the likes of Milo Yiannopolous (sp?) and Alex Jones have lost their means of spreading hatefulness.
Shapiro is trending in the UK today and even if the majority of people who had never heard of him before, like yourself, see him for the laughable hack that he is, there are still a minority of would-be incels that will be swayed by him.
Re: Danny Baker, I agree with everything Robith has said in this thread.
Totally agree.
The idea that you beat reactionaries and the likes of Shapiro by giving them airtime and then showing them up by winning the argument is totally wrong, for lots of reasons.
We can see that it is wrong because it has demonstrably never worked like that in the history of mankind.
We can also see that its wrong because the likes of Shaprio and co *flourish* by being demonised. You are not going to beat them by getting Andrew Neil to call them out.
You might well say "Yes well I believe in the market place of ideas and other such lovely liberal things", and that's fine. My point is just that the argument that "giving them rope to hang them self" is an effective way of beating alt-right edge-lords who thrive on confrontation is pretty daft.
Shaprio is not going to suddenly have an epiphany and realise the error of his ways after being presented with enough facts and figures.
Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah. His crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
I didn't realise I had to document my every thought on a QPR message board for your oversight PP!
For your ledger
1. Diane Abbott (I presume) isn't a racist. She is also a legitimately elected representative of this country. Shapiro is a guy who posts incessant racism on the internet all day. I think it's deeply disingenuous to try and equate the two because you dislike the former (your prerogative)
2. I genuinely had never heard of alibhai- brown, but after a cursory google shows that she worked for a New Labour think tank and then supported the Lib Dems, so I doubt I have much to agree on with her.
Mostly however I'm disappointed in myself for getting involved because no one on this board really cares for my opinion, and I worry that I just make things toxic by trying to put across an alternative view. Feel free to riposte, but I'll leave it there cos otherwise we'll just go round in pointless circles when we don't agree and are unlikely to ever to tbh
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Could maybe try adding a trigger warning before your posts so this peaceful caring gammon safe-space has a chance not to get offended.
If you'd just call someone a nazi I think one of us could shout 'full house' and Clive could close the thread.
Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah. His crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
If you'd just call someone a nazi I think one of us could shout 'full house' and Clive could close the thread.
That’s what they want mate, they don’t listen to reasoned argument, they want to shout the loudest and anyone else is a narrow minded bigot , then surprise surprise the thread gets deleted
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
Danny Baker isn’t a racist either but hasn’t stopped you from taking delight in him getting the tin tac Abbott can be elected all she likes she has come out with racist comments that makes her a racist or does it not count when you racist towards white people ? What she has said is worse than what Danny Baker has done , oh yeah and it was said on Twitter
If you'd just call someone a nazi I think one of us could shout 'full house' and Clive could close the thread.
Ooooh, closing the thread. That would be great.
Come on peeps, play nice, it's been quite interesting and well reasoned on both sides of this so far.
PS - This Shapiro character, is that actually his voice? Or does he put it on for comic effect? - Calling Andrew Neil a leftie. I mean who needs facts and research when you can just spew bolox everywhere and get away with it?
Come on peeps, play nice, it's been quite interesting and well reasoned on both sides of this so far.
PS - This Shapiro character, is that actually his voice? Or does he put it on for comic effect? - Calling Andrew Neil a leftie. I mean who needs facts and research when you can just spew bolox everywhere and get away with it?
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Also see free speech firebrand Jordan Peterson telling people to tidy their rooms with the voice of Kermit the frog.
Not to mention her comment on Orthodox Jews and “that costume they wear”
Yeah but she isn’t racist though, she is an elected MP so that excludes her
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
That’s what they want mate, they don’t listen to reasoned argument, they want to shout the loudest and anyone else is a narrow minded bigot , then surprise surprise the thread gets deleted
Clearly I was employing the vernacular to satirical effect, keep up.
I have also explained myself pretty clearly ITT point-by-point but sure, carry on believing that "chill out", "you're wrong and there's no point debating", "PC luvvy twitter mobs", "b-b-but Diane Abbott" etc is "reasoned argument" and not false victimhood coping bollocks.
Clearly I was employing the vernacular to satirical effect, keep up.
I have also explained myself pretty clearly ITT point-by-point but sure, carry on believing that "chill out", "you're wrong and there's no point debating", "PC luvvy twitter mobs", "b-b-but Diane Abbott" etc is "reasoned argument" and not false victimhood coping bollocks.
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
Yeah but she isn’t racist though, she is an elected MP so that excludes her
That's a willful misinterpretation of what Robith said. His point, or at least my interpretation of it, was the marked difference between inviting an active elected MP onto a British tv political programme and some American 'dark web intellectual' (genuinely the most laughable term of all time) who isn't even aware of Andrew Neil's political leanings.
Right, moving on from that nightmare, I do notice that Baker's apology (as quoted on here earlier today) isn't being accepted by Twitter users at all. He's being called a racist and various other things. There's literally no pleasing them. Essentially the whole thing is a horrible culture of people mobbing up and hurting someone the only way they can which in this case is professionally and really they won't be happy with any punishment.
Essentially, in the eyes of those people, all he can do is hide away forever until he dies as anyone hiring him to do any work will be accused of supporting nazis or something.
What a tedious period in human history this is.
Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah. His crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
Right, moving on from that nightmare, I do notice that Baker's apology (as quoted on here earlier today) isn't being accepted by Twitter users at all. He's being called a racist and various other things. There's literally no pleasing them. Essentially the whole thing is a horrible culture of people mobbing up and hurting someone the only way they can which in this case is professionally and really they won't be happy with any punishment.
Essentially, in the eyes of those people, all he can do is hide away forever until he dies as anyone hiring him to do any work will be accused of supporting nazis or something.
What a tedious period in human history this is.
danny baker can apologize till hell freezes over , or the skylarks come home to roost, and it will not make a ha'penth of difference. as long as you have a community of liberal left leaning commentators and moderators, running social media and boards like this one you will only be allowed one point of view to be broadcast . poor danny fell for the 3 card trick
A decade ago, I would never have imagined that a generation of politicians and activists would have taken Mary Whitehouse as their role model. Like Mrs W, they have identified a body of opinions and material so vile as likely to corrupt and deprave the general public, that needs to be insulated and protected from it at all costs. Nevertheless, also like Mrs W, they are blessed with a superpower that gives them immunity from this evil.
I’m not sure what I find more surprising:
Their lack of confidence in the strength of their own beliefs, that they think suppressing the alternatives is more important than promoting their own.
The low opinion of the intelligence and character of everyone outside their immediate circle, that we can’t be trusted to be exposed to this pernicious evil that somehow leaves them untouched.
Their confidence that the Red Guards won’t turn the same weapons of ostracism and career extinction on them one day - viz the current warfare between TERFs and TRAs
danny baker can apologize till hell freezes over , or the skylarks come home to roost, and it will not make a ha'penth of difference. as long as you have a community of liberal left leaning commentators and moderators, running social media and boards like this one you will only be allowed one point of view to be broadcast . poor danny fell for the 3 card trick
If this board only allows one point of view why is this is discussion still up?
Danny Baker - think before you open your mouth or loosen your thumbs.
the mob - put your pitchforks down, they're not needed here. Baker was thoughtless, not racist. BIG DIFFERENCE.
the nation - can we stop revering people just because they are born or marry into a certain family? ffs, how are we going to mature as a people while we still do this?
behold your past oppressors.
behold the status quo.
revere it.
don't get me started on liverpool
For the record I haven’t got a pitch fork but you’re entitled to your opinion. So when does being thoughtless become racism .
danny baker can apologize till hell freezes over , or the skylarks come home to roost, and it will not make a ha'penth of difference. as long as you have a community of liberal left leaning commentators and moderators, running social media and boards like this one you will only be allowed one point of view to be broadcast . poor danny fell for the 3 card trick
Poor Danny is a liberal left-leaning lifelong Labour supporter.