| Ashes thread 17:11 - Jul 15 with 91052 views | johnhoop |
Now that the World Cup’s done and dusted we can turn our attention to the next major event.
For me the most interesting questions about team selection are;
1) Do we open with Jason Roy? For me it’s a no brainer. I know all the arguments against- he doesn’t even open for Surrey, he struggles against the moving ball etc- but I feel that he’s in such good form and the alternatives are so mediocre that it would be silly not to. If he does come off he could give us control of the game in the first couple of hours. Him and Rory Burns for me.
2) Now that Jofra Archer has to have a place in the side, who are the other two quick bowlers going to be. If fit I guess Anderson has to play and I would give the third spot to Woakes but this means no place for Stuart Broad and the 90 mph+ Mark Wood.
3) Which spinner to go with - Ali or Rashid? Ali’s batting form seems to have dipped but it’s still not an easy decision to make.
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| Ashes thread on 14:50 - Aug 4 with 1545 views | kropotkin41 |
They are properly taking this game away from us now. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 14:50 - Aug 4 with 1542 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Ashes thread on 14:45 - Aug 4 by jonno |
Ah, OK. They were suggesting on the BBC that it was a no-ball. |
Yeah, when his back foot first hits the ground, it's still within the sideline, but spreads over it afterwards. If it had first landed on the line or over it, then it would have been a no-ball. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 14:56 - Aug 4 with 1525 views | ted_hendrix |
| Ashes thread on 16:17 - Aug 1 by ted_hendrix |
Whatever his failings that Steve Smith is one hell of a batsman. |
And on and on he goes while we fiff and faff about not having a clue on how to get the bloody bloke out.
Pains me to say but he is the best test batsmen out there bar absolutely no one.
Bollocks. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 15:12 - Aug 4 with 1497 views | Tonto |
We are not going to win this game now. It's getting to the poi t where a draw would be creditable |  |
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| Ashes thread on 15:23 - Aug 4 with 1478 views | isawqpratwcity |
Thank you for two great innings, Steve Smith! | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:49 - Aug 4 with 1443 views | Clive_Anderson |
Looks like a rain induced draw is our best bet now unfortunately.
Steve Smith is just too good. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:56 - Aug 4 with 1436 views | kropotkin41 |
| Ashes thread on 15:49 - Aug 4 by Clive_Anderson |
Looks like a rain induced draw is our best bet now unfortunately.
Steve Smith is just too good. |
I'd take a rained off draw now.
We're going to have to work out how to get Smith out otherwise this'll be "Smith's Ashes". | |
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| Ashes thread on 16:37 - Aug 4 with 1406 views | CamberleyR |
Hindsight I know but the decision to take a gamble on Anderson's fitness looks like it's going to bite us on the arse big time. I know he knows his body the best but common sense tells you, you don't recover from a calf tear in a month.
Had we a full bowling attack I think they would have struggled to get 150 in the first innings. Batting second time with a deficit of 200+ is a whole different ball game psychologically to batting again just 90 behind. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 16:51 - Aug 4 with 1390 views | kropotkin41 |
| Ashes thread on 16:37 - Aug 4 by CamberleyR |
Hindsight I know but the decision to take a gamble on Anderson's fitness looks like it's going to bite us on the arse big time. I know he knows his body the best but common sense tells you, you don't recover from a calf tear in a month.
Had we a full bowling attack I think they would have struggled to get 150 in the first innings. Batting second time with a deficit of 200+ is a whole different ball game psychologically to batting again just 90 behind. |
Taking Anderson was inexplicable. Two spinners or put Archer in..... Shirley | |
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| Ashes thread on 17:12 - Aug 4 with 1348 views | Snipper |
| Ashes thread on 16:51 - Aug 4 by kropotkin41 |
Taking Anderson was inexplicable. Two spinners or put Archer in..... Shirley |
I wouldn’t count Moeen Ali as a spinner at the moment. We’ve played this test with 9 men. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:22 - Aug 4 with 1329 views | qprd |
What’s the point of bowling Moeen now?
He’s been very uneconomical and ausssies are going to try to slog to have enough runs to declare and force England to face the new ball in worse lighting | | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:31 - Aug 4 with 1321 views | qprd |
| Ashes thread on 16:51 - Aug 4 by kropotkin41 |
Taking Anderson was inexplicable. Two spinners or put Archer in..... Shirley |
2 spinners w the duke ball and seaming conditions is not advisable.... | | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:32 - Aug 4 with 1316 views | ted_hendrix |
This is torture. | |
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| Ashes thread on 17:43 - Aug 4 with 1301 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 17:32 - Aug 4 by ted_hendrix |
This is torture. |
You’re right, the Aussies are basically taking the p-ss out of England now, possibly Smith’s response to all the booing. They had enough to win the game at least fifty runs ago. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:49 - Aug 4 with 1287 views | Clive_Anderson |
Why is it always hardest to bat last? If they can get 500 odd on day 4 why can't we bat out the last day? | | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:49 - Aug 4 with 1284 views | Rangersw12 |
| Ashes thread on 17:43 - Aug 4 by johnhoop |
You’re right, the Aussies are basically taking the p-ss out of England now, possibly Smith’s response to all the booing. They had enough to win the game at least fifty runs ago. |
Taking time out of the game is playing into our hands | | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:52 - Aug 4 with 1272 views | ted_hendrix |
Declaration any minute surely? | |
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| Ashes thread on 17:54 - Aug 4 with 1264 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 17:49 - Aug 4 by Clive_Anderson |
Why is it always hardest to bat last? If they can get 500 odd on day 4 why can't we bat out the last day? |
Because the pitch is turning square and they’ve got a spinner and we haven’t ? | | | |
| Ashes thread on 17:54 - Aug 4 with 1263 views | flynnbo |
| Ashes thread on 17:52 - Aug 4 by ted_hendrix |
Declaration any minute surely? |
Psychological battle during this last half hour. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 18:00 - Aug 4 with 1244 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 17:54 - Aug 4 by flynnbo |
Psychological battle during this last half hour. |
Apparently it’s raining a few miles down the road from Edgbaston. The Barmy Army had better start doing a rain dance. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 18:06 - Aug 4 with 1231 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Ashes thread on 17:54 - Aug 4 by johnhoop |
Because the pitch is turning square and they’ve got a spinner and we haven’t ? |
I mean in general really. Each innings in this game has got more runs, so why is batting last so hard? | | | |
| Ashes thread on 18:14 - Aug 4 with 1223 views | qprd |
| Ashes thread on 18:06 - Aug 4 by Clive_Anderson |
I mean in general really. Each innings in this game has got more runs, so why is batting last so hard? |
The pitch, as noted by the previous poster... even joe Denny was generating a lot of turn just now and he’s a part time bowler
And probably more relevantly, the pressure on the batsmen | | | |
| Ashes thread on 18:16 - Aug 4 with 1219 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 18:06 - Aug 4 by Clive_Anderson |
I mean in general really. Each innings in this game has got more runs, so why is batting last so hard? |
I think it’s what the commentators generally refer to as “scoreboard pressure “, which you wouldn’t think would be a big thing but it undoubtedly is. Batting last with an unreachable target, when you know you can’t win but only draw or lose makes it difficult for all sides but seemingly especially so for England, who never do well in these circumstances.
Lyon has opened the bowling and Roy would probably normally try to hit him out of the attack but if he tries that in these circumstances and gets out he’ll get castigated for it- bit of a no-win situation. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 18:39 - Aug 4 with 1183 views | qprd |
| Ashes thread on 18:16 - Aug 4 by johnhoop |
I think it’s what the commentators generally refer to as “scoreboard pressure “, which you wouldn’t think would be a big thing but it undoubtedly is. Batting last with an unreachable target, when you know you can’t win but only draw or lose makes it difficult for all sides but seemingly especially so for England, who never do well in these circumstances.
Lyon has opened the bowling and Roy would probably normally try to hit him out of the attack but if he tries that in these circumstances and gets out he’ll get castigated for it- bit of a no-win situation. |
ball definitely turned quite a bit for lyon
burns played well in the last little spell
jason roys footwork on the first two balls of the last over should makes me a bit nervous for tomorrow | | | |
| Ashes thread on 18:44 - Aug 4 with 1171 views | thame_hoops |
| Ashes thread on 17:12 - Aug 4 by Snipper |
I wouldn’t count Moeen Ali as a spinner at the moment. We’ve played this test with 9 men. |
This 100%.
Looking at the positives, we will get archer in for Anderson and probably leech for Ali, making us much stronger and Australia will probably keep the same side.
No way they recover from 110-8 in first innings or 35-3 in 2nd innings with a fully fit Anderson
Hope we bat out the draw and gain confidence from this
On a side note, as a Middlesex member I just saw an incredible innings from AB de Villiers at Richmond today, wow just wow |  | | |
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