| Ashes thread 17:11 - Jul 15 with 91039 views | johnhoop |
Now that the World Cup’s done and dusted we can turn our attention to the next major event.
For me the most interesting questions about team selection are;
1) Do we open with Jason Roy? For me it’s a no brainer. I know all the arguments against- he doesn’t even open for Surrey, he struggles against the moving ball etc- but I feel that he’s in such good form and the alternatives are so mediocre that it would be silly not to. If he does come off he could give us control of the game in the first couple of hours. Him and Rory Burns for me.
2) Now that Jofra Archer has to have a place in the side, who are the other two quick bowlers going to be. If fit I guess Anderson has to play and I would give the third spot to Woakes but this means no place for Stuart Broad and the 90 mph+ Mark Wood.
3) Which spinner to go with - Ali or Rashid? Ali’s batting form seems to have dipped but it’s still not an easy decision to make.
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| Ashes thread on 13:50 - Aug 5 with 1615 views | toboboly |
| Ashes thread on 13:42 - Aug 5 by johnhoop |
It’s not so long ago that people were talking about Root, Smith, Kohli and Williamson as the best four batsmen in the world, as if they were all at a similar level above the rest. To mention Root in the same company as Smith now seems absolutely preposterous. His captaincy is truly dreadful so the best thing for him would be if they take it off him and let him concentrate on his batting so he can hopefully recover his form. A few years ago I thought he was potentially the best England batsman I’d seen in fifty plus years of watching the game but something has gone badly wrong. |
It did, he was given the captaincy. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 14:08 - Aug 5 with 1578 views | Nov77 |
This is abject surrender, to go from having them 122-8 to getting completely thrashed takes some doing. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 14:32 - Aug 5 with 1507 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Ashes thread on 13:49 - Aug 5 by jonno |
Buttler has gone. Neither he or Stokes are test match batsmen - just more one day sloggers. |
Whether they are test batters or not (Stokes undoubtedly is in my opinion, Buttler less so, but to write him off as a slogger is a staggering disservice to his skill - and at least in this match he's just got out to a couple of snorters - in the winter he batted pretty well I thought) is kind of irrelevant, because do we have anyone better? Foakes maybe should come in for Bairstow or Buttler or maybe even Denle (whose time is up)y, but who else is there, really?
One thing we can't do is return to the 90s and just start putting people in and dropping them after a couple of tests. Roy played an awful shot today, but surely some small learning curve is allowed when opening in the Ashes?
Besides all that, and while our betting has been poor today, losing Anderson was realistically almost an insurmountable problem. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 14:54 - Aug 5 with 1463 views | Nov77 |
What’s the point in sending Anderson out? Don’t we need him fit ASAP? Why risk his injury getting worse? | |
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| Ashes thread on 14:59 - Aug 5 with 1442 views | ted_hendrix |
As expected Lyon is killing us. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 15:00 - Aug 5 with 1439 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 14:32 - Aug 5 by Antti_Heinola |
Whether they are test batters or not (Stokes undoubtedly is in my opinion, Buttler less so, but to write him off as a slogger is a staggering disservice to his skill - and at least in this match he's just got out to a couple of snorters - in the winter he batted pretty well I thought) is kind of irrelevant, because do we have anyone better? Foakes maybe should come in for Bairstow or Buttler or maybe even Denle (whose time is up)y, but who else is there, really?
One thing we can't do is return to the 90s and just start putting people in and dropping them after a couple of tests. Roy played an awful shot today, but surely some small learning curve is allowed when opening in the Ashes?
Besides all that, and while our betting has been poor today, losing Anderson was realistically almost an insurmountable problem. |
Anderson really shouldn't have played. And on a disintegrating 5th day wicket you wouldn't expect too much.
The difference at the end of the day was Steve Smith. |  |
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| Ashes thread on 15:01 - Aug 5 with 1433 views | ted_hendrix |
| Ashes thread on 14:54 - Aug 5 by Nov77 |
What’s the point in sending Anderson out? Don’t we need him fit ASAP? Why risk his injury getting worse? |
Ridiculous and embarrassing too | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:04 - Aug 5 with 1423 views | CamberleyR |
| Ashes thread on 14:59 - Aug 5 by ted_hendrix |
As expected Lyon is killing us. |
Mauling us, shirley  |  |
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| Ashes thread on 15:13 - Aug 5 with 1404 views | Nov77 |
251 run defeat, embarrassing. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:14 - Aug 5 with 1393 views | ted_hendrix |
| Ashes thread on 14:32 - Aug 5 by Antti_Heinola |
Whether they are test batters or not (Stokes undoubtedly is in my opinion, Buttler less so, but to write him off as a slogger is a staggering disservice to his skill - and at least in this match he's just got out to a couple of snorters - in the winter he batted pretty well I thought) is kind of irrelevant, because do we have anyone better? Foakes maybe should come in for Bairstow or Buttler or maybe even Denle (whose time is up)y, but who else is there, really?
One thing we can't do is return to the 90s and just start putting people in and dropping them after a couple of tests. Roy played an awful shot today, but surely some small learning curve is allowed when opening in the Ashes?
Besides all that, and while our betting has been poor today, losing Anderson was realistically almost an insurmountable problem. |
A one legged Anderson has just out scored Buttler with the bat | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:18 - Aug 5 with 1371 views | robith |
Bairstow is an absolute wasteman |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:20 - Aug 5 with 1358 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 15:13 - Aug 5 by Nov77 |
251 run defeat, embarrassing. |
I don’t think the Aussies have ever whitewashed us 5-0 at home but after that embarrassingly pathetic capitulation you have to wonder whether it’s on the cards. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:21 - Aug 5 with 1353 views | timcocking |
Fcuking grim capitulation once again. Whatever the reason is, it's a fcuking humiliation.
I like him as a player and i'm loyal where possible, but surely they absolutely have to drop Moeen for a bit? It must be killing him. Can't see the Aussies letting him score a run. Not sure i can see any of our batsmen scoring easily after that. Too fragile. Very disappointed.
Still, that goal by Eze, huh? |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:28 - Aug 5 with 1333 views | CamberleyR |
| Ashes thread on 15:00 - Aug 5 by TheChef |
Anderson really shouldn't have played. And on a disintegrating 5th day wicket you wouldn't expect too much.
The difference at the end of the day was Steve Smith. |
"The difference at the end of the day was Steve Smith."
And also that Denly, Buttler, Bairstow and Moeen managed a paltry 53 runs between them in 8 knocks. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:30 - Aug 5 with 1326 views | TheChef |
| Ashes thread on 15:21 - Aug 5 by timcocking |
Fcuking grim capitulation once again. Whatever the reason is, it's a fcuking humiliation.
I like him as a player and i'm loyal where possible, but surely they absolutely have to drop Moeen for a bit? It must be killing him. Can't see the Aussies letting him score a run. Not sure i can see any of our batsmen scoring easily after that. Too fragile. Very disappointed.
Still, that goal by Eze, huh? |
Calm down lads, still four matches to go.
1. We played this match a bowler down (arguably two)
2. Steve Smith in the 1st innings
3. Steve Smith in the 2nd innings
A fully fit XI for Lord's with players in form, let's go again. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:31 - Aug 5 with 1322 views | jonno |
| Ashes thread on 14:32 - Aug 5 by Antti_Heinola |
Whether they are test batters or not (Stokes undoubtedly is in my opinion, Buttler less so, but to write him off as a slogger is a staggering disservice to his skill - and at least in this match he's just got out to a couple of snorters - in the winter he batted pretty well I thought) is kind of irrelevant, because do we have anyone better? Foakes maybe should come in for Bairstow or Buttler or maybe even Denle (whose time is up)y, but who else is there, really?
One thing we can't do is return to the 90s and just start putting people in and dropping them after a couple of tests. Roy played an awful shot today, but surely some small learning curve is allowed when opening in the Ashes?
Besides all that, and while our betting has been poor today, losing Anderson was realistically almost an insurmountable problem. |
That's kind of my point. I don't know enough about the red ball cricket game in England but I am assuming these are the best players we have. Unfortunately the majority of them clearly aren't good enough for this level of cricket - which is the highest level. I absolutely agree that many are quite brilliant at the white ball game - we did win the WC after all, but test cricket is an entirely different thing. It is probably unfair to expect them to do better, and maybe some of them shouldn't even be trying to play this type of cricket. And it's not just the batting though is it? Yesterday, when we were bowling, the pitch was "flat", "dead", "doing nothing" etc. (And yes I know we didn't have Anderson and Moeen was poor). The Aussies were scoring for fun. Now, one day later all of a sudden it has become "unplayable". Could it be the Aussies are better bowlers at test level than we are? Again, bowling with the white ball in limited overs is an entirely different game to bowling with the red ball in test matches. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:32 - Aug 5 with 1319 views | johnhoop |
| Ashes thread on 15:28 - Aug 5 by CamberleyR |
"The difference at the end of the day was Steve Smith."
And also that Denly, Buttler, Bairstow and Moeen managed a paltry 53 runs between them in 8 knocks. |
And they had an off-spinner who made the wicket look unplayable whereas we had one who barely troubled the opposition at all. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:32 - Aug 5 with 1316 views | jonno |
| Ashes thread on 15:20 - Aug 5 by johnhoop |
I don’t think the Aussies have ever whitewashed us 5-0 at home but after that embarrassingly pathetic capitulation you have to wonder whether it’s on the cards. |
I think the weather will probably save us in a couple, that's why I predicted a 3-0 defeat. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:38 - Aug 5 with 1295 views | CamberleyR |
| Ashes thread on 15:32 - Aug 5 by johnhoop |
And they had an off-spinner who made the wicket look unplayable whereas we had one who barely troubled the opposition at all. |
True. 3-172 going at over four an over was a pretty poor effort I thought as the late, great Richie B might say. Had we had someone like Swann out there yesterday it would have been a different proposition. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:47 - Aug 5 with 1273 views | stevec |
| Ashes thread on 15:32 - Aug 5 by jonno |
I think the weather will probably save us in a couple, that's why I predicted a 3-0 defeat. |
Aside of rain affected games, are any two sides capable of batting out a 5 day test match these days?
You could probably take any international side from the 1970's and they'd whip the arsé off their modern day counterparts. |  | | |
| Ashes thread on 15:55 - Aug 5 with 1249 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Ashes thread on 15:32 - Aug 5 by jonno |
I think the weather will probably save us in a couple, that's why I predicted a 3-0 defeat. |
although your dour predictions have ultimately been proved true this time, I'm still having a fiver on us winning 2-1. It's only the first test. | |
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| Ashes thread on 15:59 - Aug 5 with 1238 views | jonno |
| Ashes thread on 15:55 - Aug 5 by Antti_Heinola |
although your dour predictions have ultimately been proved true this time, I'm still having a fiver on us winning 2-1. It's only the first test. |
Good idea to wait until we've been thrashed in the first one then, you will get better odds. Would love nothing better than to see you collect on that bet. Now where are your knee jerks?  | | | |
| Ashes thread on 16:17 - Aug 5 with 1211 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Ashes thread on 15:59 - Aug 5 by jonno |
Good idea to wait until we've been thrashed in the first one then, you will get better odds. Would love nothing better than to see you collect on that bet. Now where are your knee jerks? |
won't be any for a while sadly - holidays and family things are stunting my start to the season!
I actually bet on the aussies in the semi at the halfway point - but that was like a sort of insurance for had we lost! was happier we won! | |
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| Ashes thread on 16:22 - Aug 5 with 1203 views | Clive_Anderson |
Our best bowler was out so we played with only 10 men and the Aussies got bonus a new ball that took two wickets when they on the ropes.
Think without that we would have won easily so I'm not going to get too depressed.
Bairstow and Moeen look a bit ropey though.
Whatever happened to Foakes and Curran? I thought they looked good when they came through. | | | |
| Ashes thread on 16:23 - Aug 5 with 1200 views | Tonto |
I dont see Moen getting another go. Shame as he was a great player 18 months ago. Rashid or Leach in the second test.
Denly is the next least secure... I think Sibley at the top of the order and Roy at 4 is a better line up.
Bairstow also looks dodgy but Fiakes hasnt setvthebworld on fire either this season.. |  |
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