| Red cards 18:59 - Dec 7 with 2326 views | E17hoop |
Can anyone explain why the PNE keeper wasn't sent off? It was a clear goalscoring opportunity and he brought Pugh down, hence the penalty. |  |
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| Red cards on 19:01 - Dec 7 with 2307 views | loftboy |
I thought it was changed as the awarding of a penalty hasn’t taken away the opportunity. Only dangerous fouls that stop the goal is a red. |  |
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| Red cards on 19:22 - Dec 7 with 2224 views | QPR_John |
| Red cards on 19:01 - Dec 7 by loftboy |
I thought it was changed as the awarding of a penalty hasn’t taken away the opportunity. Only dangerous fouls that stop the goal is a red. |
I though a red card will be not be given if the referee regards the foul has a genuine attempt to play the ball. But you may be right as it sounds a typical stupid ill thought out law. How can a penalty be a better opportunity to score than that stopped by the keeper [Post edited 7 Dec 2019 19:23]
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| Red cards on 20:23 - Dec 7 with 2064 views | Match82 |
| Red cards on 19:22 - Dec 7 by QPR_John |
I though a red card will be not be given if the referee regards the foul has a genuine attempt to play the ball. But you may be right as it sounds a typical stupid ill thought out law. How can a penalty be a better opportunity to score than that stopped by the keeper [Post edited 7 Dec 2019 19:23]
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I don't think anybody thinks it's a better opportunity. But the rule used to be "preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity". And if a penalty is awarded then the argument is that the penalty is that "clear goalscoring opportunity", so the player can't be sent off for preventing it. Whereas for instance if they commit the foul outside the box with the player through on goal, the team only gets a free kick. In that case, they HAVE prevented the clear goalscoring opportunity.
That's my reading of it anyway. |  | | |
| Red cards on 20:25 - Dec 7 with 2056 views | Boston |
Ref gave 'em a break, they'd used all three subs already. | |
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| Red cards on 08:57 - Dec 8 with 1736 views | PinnerPaul |
| Red cards on 19:22 - Dec 7 by QPR_John |
I though a red card will be not be given if the referee regards the foul has a genuine attempt to play the ball. But you may be right as it sounds a typical stupid ill thought out law. How can a penalty be a better opportunity to score than that stopped by the keeper [Post edited 7 Dec 2019 19:23]
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Correct John, if its an attempt for the ball then no red card - that change came in last season I think.
Not sure what the chat with the AR was about. Haven't seen it back yet but live I thought it could be one of 3 things
1) Was it an attempt for the ball?
2) Was it a pen?
3) Offside? Pugh might have been in an offside position but think the ball came from a PNE player - so AR might have been asking about that | | | |
| Red cards on 09:44 - Dec 8 with 1648 views | dodge_stoke_r |
| Red cards on 20:23 - Dec 7 by Match82 |
I don't think anybody thinks it's a better opportunity. But the rule used to be "preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity". And if a penalty is awarded then the argument is that the penalty is that "clear goalscoring opportunity", so the player can't be sent off for preventing it. Whereas for instance if they commit the foul outside the box with the player through on goal, the team only gets a free kick. In that case, they HAVE prevented the clear goalscoring opportunity.
That's my reading of it anyway. |
Can't see that being the reason to be honest. If it was, then nobody would be sent off for stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity inside the box. And we all know that they do. Someone else has mentioned about the tackle being a genuine attempt at winning the ball. Although how you determine that, I don't know. Surely most tackles inside the box are genuine attempts at winning the ball. Yet players get sent off. We have had a few this year ourselves. |  | | |
| Red cards on 10:18 - Dec 8 with 1595 views | PinnerPaul |
| Red cards on 09:44 - Dec 8 by dodge_stoke_r |
Can't see that being the reason to be honest. If it was, then nobody would be sent off for stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity inside the box. And we all know that they do. Someone else has mentioned about the tackle being a genuine attempt at winning the ball. Although how you determine that, I don't know. Surely most tackles inside the box are genuine attempts at winning the ball. Yet players get sent off. We have had a few this year ourselves. |
That IS the law. Holding, pushing, tripping, handball, serious foul play are all ways of stopping a goal or goal scoring opportunity inside the penalty area and would all be red card offences.
Wallace red card was for a foul outside the penalty area & none of Barbet's penalties have resulted in a red card I don't think. | | | |
| Red cards on 10:56 - Dec 8 with 1521 views | smegma |
| Red cards on 10:18 - Dec 8 by PinnerPaul |
That IS the law. Holding, pushing, tripping, handball, serious foul play are all ways of stopping a goal or goal scoring opportunity inside the penalty area and would all be red card offences.
Wallace red card was for a foul outside the penalty area & none of Barbet's penalties have resulted in a red card I don't think. |
Handball in the penalty should be a red card unless you're QPR. | | | |
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| Red cards on 12:14 - Dec 8 with 1405 views | nix |
| Red cards on 08:57 - Dec 8 by PinnerPaul |
Correct John, if its an attempt for the ball then no red card - that change came in last season I think.
Not sure what the chat with the AR was about. Haven't seen it back yet but live I thought it could be one of 3 things
1) Was it an attempt for the ball?
2) Was it a pen?
3) Offside? Pugh might have been in an offside position but think the ball came from a PNE player - so AR might have been asking about that |
Don’t know how true this is but their manager said it was because the ref wasn’t sure and the linesman didn’t see it. He was whinging obvs as to how it could be given. I thought it was one of the more obvious decisions ever from my angle!
I thought the crowd did well yesterday. They kept on ref’s back for not giving a free kick for obvious fouls on Hughill. He finally caved into the pressure and he got two in the second half. |  | | |
| Red cards on 12:25 - Dec 8 with 1387 views | PinnerPaul |
| Red cards on 12:14 - Dec 8 by nix |
Don’t know how true this is but their manager said it was because the ref wasn’t sure and the linesman didn’t see it. He was whinging obvs as to how it could be given. I thought it was one of the more obvious decisions ever from my angle!
I thought the crowd did well yesterday. They kept on ref’s back for not giving a free kick for obvious fouls on Hughill. He finally caved into the pressure and he got two in the second half. |
Seen it again and read the ridulous comments from their manager and player.
No way on earth, would a referee at this level, who are miced up don't forget, give a pen and THEN go to ask AR if it was or not!
We don't even do that at my level!
Secondly they claim GFK 'got a touch on the ball' - what?! - he didn't and even if the ball did brush his foot, you can't then trip someone up afterwards!
Another risible claim was that ref 'had about 6 players in front of him' - just a lie.
Also complaining about a foul in the build up - again that's just made up!
To me the most obvious reason for the chat was the fact that Pugh WAS in an offside position, but as PNE player played the ball to him, and it WAS a deliberate act (a deflection would still have been offside) then they were just checking that.
Alex Neil's memory/eyesight not that good as can be proved by his untrue assertion that Lumley's great save came at 1-0 - it didn't it was after the pen. [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 12:25]
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| Red cards on 14:13 - Dec 8 with 1260 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Alex Neil is Son of Warnock. |  |
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| Red cards on 14:33 - Dec 8 with 1214 views | stowmarketrange |
| Red cards on 12:25 - Dec 8 by PinnerPaul |
Seen it again and read the ridulous comments from their manager and player.
No way on earth, would a referee at this level, who are miced up don't forget, give a pen and THEN go to ask AR if it was or not!
We don't even do that at my level!
Secondly they claim GFK 'got a touch on the ball' - what?! - he didn't and even if the ball did brush his foot, you can't then trip someone up afterwards!
Another risible claim was that ref 'had about 6 players in front of him' - just a lie.
Also complaining about a foul in the build up - again that's just made up!
To me the most obvious reason for the chat was the fact that Pugh WAS in an offside position, but as PNE player played the ball to him, and it WAS a deliberate act (a deflection would still have been offside) then they were just checking that.
Alex Neil's memory/eyesight not that good as can be proved by his untrue assertion that Lumley's great save came at 1-0 - it didn't it was after the pen. [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 12:25]
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You mean the refs have to have mice on them?Is that to distract the squirrels? |  | | |
| Red cards on 18:23 - Dec 8 with 1058 views | smegma |
| Red cards on 12:25 - Dec 8 by PinnerPaul |
Seen it again and read the ridulous comments from their manager and player.
No way on earth, would a referee at this level, who are miced up don't forget, give a pen and THEN go to ask AR if it was or not!
We don't even do that at my level!
Secondly they claim GFK 'got a touch on the ball' - what?! - he didn't and even if the ball did brush his foot, you can't then trip someone up afterwards!
Another risible claim was that ref 'had about 6 players in front of him' - just a lie.
Also complaining about a foul in the build up - again that's just made up!
To me the most obvious reason for the chat was the fact that Pugh WAS in an offside position, but as PNE player played the ball to him, and it WAS a deliberate act (a deflection would still have been offside) then they were just checking that.
Alex Neil's memory/eyesight not that good as can be proved by his untrue assertion that Lumley's great save came at 1-0 - it didn't it was after the pen. [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 12:25]
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I think the ref only consulted his assistant to placate the Nob End players who were in his face for literally every decision he made. | | | |
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