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Sorry if already posted - but some nice stuff here about that day, with plenty from the Chief (who doesn't like Barton) about how hard it was for him, but also makes sure he says how much he loved QPR once he'd been there a while too.
No mention, however, yet again, of how Tevez smacked Barton first. What Barton did was inexcusable, but it's always baffled me how Tevez totally got away with it - what he did was a red card offence too, and he should also have received a ban.
I said he took advantage but you lose all moral high ground here unless you condemn all such 'cheating' including ours.
If Derry hadn't put his hands out like a 3rd Division footballer Young couldn't have taken advantage of it.
As asked elsewhere on this thread, did you walk out of the ground in disgust when Wells dived to win penalties or when Devon White punched the ball in the net against Everton?
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We've never had players who cheat like Ashley Young. We wouldn't accept that at QPR.
Exaggerating a foul is completely different to being a filthy, stinking, despicable piece of cheating sh!t like Ashley Young.
Right hang on a minute here dicksplat. I'm smelling a bit of a rat with this steadfast defence of Man Utd. Anybody who's ever seen a football game before who comes up with any remote defence of that Ashley Young penalty needs to have a long hard look in a very big mirror.
1 - It's not a fcking penalty. Watch the replay and don't give me all this hands on him bollox. It's not a penalty. Even if you're not a QPR fan and your heart strings aren't tugged by the idea of a modern day club legend getting sent off on the day he captained the club at Old Trafford, and how proud that made the family of a journeyman footballer, it's still not a fcking penalty. I've never met a single person, QPR or otherwise, or heard a pundit suggest anything other than this was a dive and a dreadful refereeing decision. Even my died in the wool Man Utd mate laughs and admits it was a joke decision. Hands on him my arse.
2 - He's two fcking yards offside anyway. Even if Derry had pulled out a gun and shot him straight in the back of his cheating skull, it was still our free kick.
3 - Lee Mason was the referee. He was also chairman of the Bolton referee's association. He was also a Bolton Wanderers season ticket holder. His brother also played for Bolton Wanderers. He wasn't allowed to referee Bolton matches because it would have been akin to letting me referee QPR matches. And yet he was allowed to referee our game at a point when it was between us and them for the final relegation spot. It was as bent as football gets in this country.
Hands on him indeed. Get in the fcking sea.
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Rudely put, but i must agree with you Clive. To say our players would have done the same is an insult to people like Shaun Derry.
It was only the one hand that he brushed him with.And if you think that we would’ve got a penalty like that at Old Trafford with that referee,then you’re seriously deluded.
Indeed. We get, what, one in ten nailed on penalties? Utd get, what, 12 out of 10?
Ya, you should have tried maybe some of that. Or even said Hello!
You could have mentioned Silly Jim for a start.
There's stories there.
But you came in swinging hard today, defending Man Utd all the way, defending that stupid penalty and its context. Look back at all your posts - nothing positive about Rangers, low post count - you looked like a WUM the whole way. I hope you see that now.
Chill a bit. We're a relaxed bunch here.
Apologies.
Cheese?
Good post Brian. Welcome Mr Pollock, i enjoy having people who have the guts to speak their mind. Clive is always....grumpy to put it politely.
It was a bad topic to defend though, i'll fcuking smack Ashley Young if i ever get the chance. And Lee Mason.
However small clubs are not allowed to compete equally. Big clubs are allowed to compete through youth, through wages or through the transfer market. Small clubs are hamstrung when trying to compete through the latter two methods as they can only spend in relation to their current size - it stops us getting any bigger and it amounts to a restriction in trade.
Not sure I fully agree Brian, indeed one could argue: was it ever thus in terms of bigger and richer clubs lording it over the rest of us.
However, it’s not as if I can go to a bank and bemoan as a restraint on my right to better myself, if they won’t give me a similar sized mortgage to that of a customer earning ten times more than me*. Because I should accept that my means can and should determine my exposure to unsecured financial risk. And that’s before we even consider how much more risky the business of football is and how often football flies in the face of financial common sense.
But while I’m not saying FFP is perfect and your observations are as ever valid, but if it stops clowns like Tony Pony spunking half-a-billion and taking clubs to the brink, then that has to be a good thing of itself.
That said, I agree with the poster’s comments about fans’ patience, albeit in our case, a significant number of Rfosi were screaming for Tony Pony to stop what he was doing and put the car in park long before the inevitable happened. Instead, what did an unfettered soppy b....x do: he carried on unabated and put the likes of Ji Sung Park in the car!
Upshot...what a shame Amit wasn’t calling all the shots because I really doubt we’d be having this conversation now.
* Of course, banks provide a perfect comparator for QPR’s financial profligacy, having repeatedly loaned way too much to countries and people who could never afford to pay them back if things went nipples north; for which everyone else ends up paying the price for.
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Feel a bit for Pollack on this thread. I don’t like Manchester United, I was there, 96, when Eric popped up with the 98th minute winner (I know it was fcking equaliser but it didn’t feel like that). A team based in the north of England yet my London school growing up was packed with them. Given a choice, I’d rather city over United. That said, his points on Derry’s red card are sound. It should never have been a red card, a total fcking bellend cheat did for him but there’s no getting away from the fact Derry made a basic mistake putting an arm on him. As soon as he did that he opened things up, he gave the scummy Young the option to dive, the ref with conflicting emotions, the option to brandish the red etc. Had he kept his hands down there would have been no red card. I have to agree with him on that. Poor decision to give him a red and a penalty but without VAR - whole other debate there on whether it would have been overruled given how sh*t VAR is - he shouldn’t have raised his arms.
On the Derry point I can see where he’s going, I still hate Man United
I can't get with this 'hand on him' stuff. Players hands are on other players all the time, almost constantly. It's a contact support. There's no pull, I'm not even sure he touches his body, just a brush of his shirt. Young is going down *before* Derry he even does touch him. It's not a 'basic error' or 'terrible defending' - that's how EVERYONE defends. And his arms aren't 'raised' either, if we're being pedantic. And as Clive says, he's offside anyway, so it's irrelevant what Derry did or didn't do.
I can't get with this 'hand on him' stuff. Players hands are on other players all the time, almost constantly. It's a contact support. There's no pull, I'm not even sure he touches his body, just a brush of his shirt. Young is going down *before* Derry he even does touch him. It's not a 'basic error' or 'terrible defending' - that's how EVERYONE defends. And his arms aren't 'raised' either, if we're being pedantic. And as Clive says, he's offside anyway, so it's irrelevant what Derry did or didn't do.
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I was thinking the same Antti.
Surely, you have to have pushing, pulling or holding for a foul to be committed.
I can't get with this 'hand on him' stuff. Players hands are on other players all the time, almost constantly. It's a contact support. There's no pull, I'm not even sure he touches his body, just a brush of his shirt. Young is going down *before* Derry he even does touch him. It's not a 'basic error' or 'terrible defending' - that's how EVERYONE defends. And his arms aren't 'raised' either, if we're being pedantic. And as Clive says, he's offside anyway, so it's irrelevant what Derry did or didn't do.
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The offside point you and others raise to me is only relevant if Derry knows this when he touches him. Point being if he just dived in and took him out and gave away a clear pen and red card, would we all be fine with it had it been offside but was missed by the linesman? The end result would have cost us alongside the poor refereeing. When Young spins in behind it looks like he’s through on goal, instinctively Derry puts his arm out, next to nothing in terms of contact but in response to Young being through on goal Derry panics a bit and touches him which definitely gave Young, being the cheating player he is, the chance to hit the deck. I agree players defend with use of body etc, had they been alongside each other at point of contact there would be no debate, but Young was goalside making it look worse. In similar situations other players wouldn’t put the arm on the back of the guy through on goal.
Yes mistakes were made which should have meant everything that happened was irrelevant and we should have been awarded the offside and yes even taking all that into account it still shouldn’t have been a pen as not enough contact to warrant it BUT the touch on the back was a definite error on Lord Derry’s part. Off the top of my head I can’t think of many other mistakes the guy made for us but I think that was one
Not sure I fully agree Brian, indeed one could argue: was it ever thus in terms of bigger and richer clubs lording it over the rest of us.
However, it’s not as if I can go to a bank and bemoan as a restraint on my right to better myself, if they won’t give me a similar sized mortgage to that of a customer earning ten times more than me*. Because I should accept that my means can and should determine my exposure to unsecured financial risk. And that’s before we even consider how much more risky the business of football is and how often football flies in the face of financial common sense.
But while I’m not saying FFP is perfect and your observations are as ever valid, but if it stops clowns like Tony Pony spunking half-a-billion and taking clubs to the brink, then that has to be a good thing of itself.
That said, I agree with the poster’s comments about fans’ patience, albeit in our case, a significant number of Rfosi were screaming for Tony Pony to stop what he was doing and put the car in park long before the inevitable happened. Instead, what did an unfettered soppy b....x do: he carried on unabated and put the likes of Ji Sung Park in the car!
Upshot...what a shame Amit wasn’t calling all the shots because I really doubt we’d be having this conversation now.
* Of course, banks provide a perfect comparator for QPR’s financial profligacy, having repeatedly loaned way too much to countries and people who could never afford to pay them back if things went nipples north; for which everyone else ends up paying the price for.
I see those points, J. I really do.
I suppose the problem to my mind is that if a small club has the money, then why isn't it allowed spend it?
Maybe the way around it is regular auditing by the FA to prove that the money is there to spend on wages or transfers - if not, then FFP rules apply, if so then by all means you should be allowed spend what is yours.
As I say, I'm delighted with the way our club is run. But the existing FFP rules nearly killed us these last three years and we're very lucky they didn't.
I think the balance is wrong.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Back to the Man City game and as part of my home schooling I recorded the game yesterday and my 11 year old son watched it today having no idea of the end result. He then had to write a match report of it. Was very amusing seeing his reactions through the game and then celebrating us being safe at the end saying that was so QPR the way we messed that up.
Back to the Man City game and as part of my home schooling I recorded the game yesterday and my 11 year old son watched it today having no idea of the end result. He then had to write a match report of it. Was very amusing seeing his reactions through the game and then celebrating us being safe at the end saying that was so QPR the way we messed that up.
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