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An Australian professor of Data Analytics from Griffith University who predicted Trump’s first win, the Australian Federal Election(when all the polls said the opposite) and Brexit has called it - Trump will be re-elected for another 4 years. You heard it here first.
Someone mentioned earlier that 70% of Republican voters think there's something dodgy with the vote. With that kind of backing Trump is empowered to push on but the odd thing is, some of the rally going Trump supporters were screaming at the camera for everyone to vote Trump to save democracy because Biden wanted to turn the country into Socialist republic...oh the irony.
Big difference between thinking the election was dodgy (immediately after the event when your preferred candidate has lost and emotions are running high) and backing an attempted coup by Trump.
I’m sure Trump will push on as every dime he collects towards his ‘legal challenges’ can also be used to cover the cost of his election campaign according to the small print. Win-win for Donald!
I don’t buy the idea that the GOP will burn everything down and support him when push comes to shove and he’s lost his legal challenges. They’ve already got their tax cuts and 3 Supreme Court court nominees. Their focus will be maintaining control of the senate (trying to push through a coup at the same time is unlikely to be a good look!).
I might be wrong but I think it’ll be a very different picture in a few weeks time once the legal challenges have been settled.
Think it’s partly the beginning of their 2024 campaign. Keep up this “we woz robbed” narrative and the gun-toting inbreds will turn out in even greater numbers next time if that’s possible.
Biden has already indicated he wants to censor the internet, so expect to see a lot more of these pieces in the media.
Freedom of speech is very big here. At some point though people are going to realize that while you have always been free to say what you want, to who you want, that needs to change in the age of the internet.
Historically there were consequences. For example you were indeed free to go up to the biggest most prideful bloke you could find, call him a cnt and say that you were tell everyone he knows that he's secretly a cross dresser and were going to burn his house down. You wouldn't actually do that though because of the consequences, namely your short hospital visit. But now, there's no consequences.
Point being, the internet would be a better place if it was properly censored. But nobody is qualified to decide how to do that and no two people would agree on what the cut off would be
Actually he hasn't and he recorded the FBI trying to convince him to "forget" the memory of what happened instead of investigate it:
Could this character's retraction have anything to do with the 25000 to 1000000 dollars offered by a Frump supporter from Texas' search for proof of wrongdoing? just wondering!
Could this character's retraction have anything to do with the 25000 to 1000000 dollars offered by a Frump supporter from Texas' search for proof of wrongdoing? just wondering!
Well rewards are often given for uncovering crime.
But the fact that the FBI tried to make him forget about what he saw is worrying regardless of whether he is genuine or not.
There are also 500 other witnesses to electoral fraud that have signed affidavits, so I don't think the motive is just for money.
They are recounting by hand in Georgia, so we might get an idea if there is material fraud going on pretty soon.
Freedom of speech is very big here. At some point though people are going to realize that while you have always been free to say what you want, to who you want, that needs to change in the age of the internet.
Historically there were consequences. For example you were indeed free to go up to the biggest most prideful bloke you could find, call him a cnt and say that you were tell everyone he knows that he's secretly a cross dresser and were going to burn his house down. You wouldn't actually do that though because of the consequences, namely your short hospital visit. But now, there's no consequences.
Point being, the internet would be a better place if it was properly censored. But nobody is qualified to decide how to do that and no two people would agree on what the cut off would be
My wife likes to say "Freedom of speech gives you the ability to say what you want, but it does not protect you from the consequences of what you say"
The result was close enough to have a mandatory recount, but because of the fraud allegations they are doing it by hand and also an audit on whether the voters are eligible as well.
The result was close enough to have a mandatory recount, but because of the fraud allegations they are doing it by hand and also an audit on whether the voters are eligible as well.
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No but Why are you behaving like this are you American. What are your thoughts on Abortion and Gun Control ?
No matter how much misinformation and lies (much propagated by Trump and the Trump campaign) people pick up and spread, Biden won the election fair and square and by a decisive margin. There is no serious or credible evidence to the contrary.
And no, I'm not interested in stuff cribbed from extremely partisan, non-credible, non-accountable random sources on the internet.
I am puzzled by those bizarre questions also after you just explaining why the full recount is going ahead in Georgia .This state has now jumped to front and center with 2 Senate seats going to run offs and that could shift the balance of power in the US senate .If the Democrats win both seats they will be a dead heat and Vice President elect Harris would be the deciding vote.If the Democrats succeed here and Biden is elected they already have the House they will have complete control of the US basically. I know every poster on LFT except for maybe 3 want Trump out but if he wins Georgia in the recount (I actually think he has a huge chance )then its going to be game on and at least 5 other States will have to do the same right away IMO.This is a long way from over
I am puzzled by those bizarre questions also after you just explaining why the full recount is going ahead in Georgia .This state has now jumped to front and center with 2 Senate seats going to run offs and that could shift the balance of power in the US senate .If the Democrats win both seats they will be a dead heat and Vice President elect Harris would be the deciding vote.If the Democrats succeed here and Biden is elected they already have the House they will have complete control of the US basically. I know every poster on LFT except for maybe 3 want Trump out but if he wins Georgia in the recount (I actually think he has a huge chance )then its going to be game on and at least 5 other States will have to do the same right away IMO.This is a long way from over
Biden is up 12,651 votes in Georgia, 12,828 in Arizona, 20,539 in Wisconsin, 36,870 in Nevada and 51,969 in Pennsylvania. As you know, recounts rarely find more than a few hundred ballots to discount so right off the bat there's nothing here he has a chance of flipping. Biden's too far ahead in Pennsylvania and Nevada so can't be recounted so he needs to flip two out of the other three which is extremely unlikely.
I agree the game is far from over but he won't win on recounts. His only play is to keep delaying the process so that final decisions can't be made and then have several states send two slates of representatives to the electoral collage. If the collage votes in favour of Trump all hell will break loose but even then it doesn't end there (see The Atlantic article I posted the other day https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-conce
I’m not sure Richard Hopkins is the most credible witness, here.
Worth noting that according to a growing number of conspiracy loons/Trump cult members, FOX news(!) are now also involved in the Socialist plot to deny Trump his rightful victory. That’s how insane this has got. FOX doing Biden’s bidding. I think Trump is so far 12-0 down in his court cases trying to establish electoral fraud. Something to do with a complete lack of evidence. Still, all those judges are probably socialists or something to do with George Soros.
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys?
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys?
'trumpeting conspiracy theories'? oh come on, as we've seen on the g.clarke, retired thread, language evolves. 'trumping conspiracy theories' surely?
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys?
Fair comment but there is a minor difference, there was never any allegation at the Brexit vote that the winners had subverted the voting papers in anyway.
Admittedly, there’s been no evidence yet in the US but any vote that is essentially allowed to ‘carry on’ after the voting date is leaving itself wide open to accusations of fraudulent practice.
There is a real problem with postal voting, it’s well known that family members over here are having their voting papers filled in for them. There was serious fraud in an East London Borough that resulted in prosecutions.
Trump should do the decent thing and walk but in future postal voting should be strictly for those incapable of getting to a voting station.
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys?
Absolutely. If you win, the other lot need to get on with it and stop cryng; the ‘silent majority‘ have spoken (even when it’s a minority). When they then lose, it must be fraud because how else do you explain the ‘silent majority’ losing an election? It doesn’t occur to some of them that outside their Facebook groups and family, maybe they’re actually in the minority at times.
Worth noting that Remainers and Dems in 2016 were angry at misinformation peddled by their opponents and Russian interference, but never questioned the integrity of the referendum/election. Trump knows he lost and he doesn’t care about the harm he’s doing to democracy in America and further afield.
Fair comment but there is a minor difference, there was never any allegation at the Brexit vote that the winners had subverted the voting papers in anyway.
Admittedly, there’s been no evidence yet in the US but any vote that is essentially allowed to ‘carry on’ after the voting date is leaving itself wide open to accusations of fraudulent practice.
There is a real problem with postal voting, it’s well known that family members over here are having their voting papers filled in for them. There was serious fraud in an East London Borough that resulted in prosecutions.
Trump should do the decent thing and walk but in future postal voting should be strictly for those incapable of getting to a voting station.
Agreed. For example during a global pandemic.
The idea that Trump somehow still has a chance of legitimately winning the election is quite frankly laughable (I know it wasn’t you Steve). Visited the Conservative forum on Reddit and felt like I’d entered a parallel universe.
Funny that Trump and many of his supporters say the media don’t decide the election yet they celebrate Alaska when the media called it yesterday. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
Absolutely. If you win, the other lot need to get on with it and stop cryng; the ‘silent majority‘ have spoken (even when it’s a minority). When they then lose, it must be fraud because how else do you explain the ‘silent majority’ losing an election? It doesn’t occur to some of them that outside their Facebook groups and family, maybe they’re actually in the minority at times.
Worth noting that Remainers and Dems in 2016 were angry at misinformation peddled by their opponents and Russian interference, but never questioned the integrity of the referendum/election. Trump knows he lost and he doesn’t care about the harm he’s doing to democracy in America and further afield.
Worth noting, Remainers spent the next three and a half years trying to over turn the Brexit democratic vote.
Worth noting, Democrats spent the next three and a half years trying to throw out a democratically elected US President.
Fair comment but there is a minor difference, there was never any allegation at the Brexit vote that the winners had subverted the voting papers in anyway.
Admittedly, there’s been no evidence yet in the US but any vote that is essentially allowed to ‘carry on’ after the voting date is leaving itself wide open to accusations of fraudulent practice.
There is a real problem with postal voting, it’s well known that family members over here are having their voting papers filled in for them. There was serious fraud in an East London Borough that resulted in prosecutions.
Trump should do the decent thing and walk but in future postal voting should be strictly for those incapable of getting to a voting station.
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys?
The problem is that the US electoral system is a lot more dodgy than the one here.
For example after the 2016 election in Detroit when investigated, 37% of precincts returned more votes than actual ballot papers:
For another election 72% percent of Detroit's absentee ballot counts were incorrect according to their County Board of Canvassers:
The number of registered voters in Michigan exceeds the voting age population (you can calculate this yourself from 2019 census data and number of registered voters).
There's hundreds of witnesses who have signed statements under oath in seeing mass electoral fraud across several states.
None of this stuff happened with the Brexit vote as far as I can tell.
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