| Johansen 21:33 - Feb 18 with 6746 views | Bobbi66 |
Early days but he looks too drawer,always liked him at Fulham. |  | | |  |
| Johansen on 17:03 - Feb 19 with 1531 views | distortR |
| Johansen on 12:48 - Feb 19 by Northernr |
I'd be amazed if they didn't keep LTC for another year regardless. He's obviously coming cheap. |
well, you get what you pay for........  | | | |
| Johansen on 17:04 - Feb 19 with 1528 views | francisbowles |
| Johansen on 16:04 - Feb 19 by Myke |
I would suspect there is a greater chance of Johansen being here next season than Austin, but most likely neither. Better chance with Field and the Dutch lad (if he actually plays for us at all). Jury is out on Cameron for me. As a back-up CH, fair enough, but not in mid-field and his wages would have to reflect his reduced involvement. |
Myke, I would have thought the other way around. Austin's attitude and behaviour since he arrived seems to indicate a real affinity for the club. If we could do some sort of signing on fee spread over the length of a contract and appearance bonus, we might be able to agree a deal and not blow our salary structure apart. The appearance money would be a safeguard against missing games through injury | | | |
| Johansen on 17:18 - Feb 19 with 1491 views | Myke |
| Johansen on 17:04 - Feb 19 by francisbowles |
Myke, I would have thought the other way around. Austin's attitude and behaviour since he arrived seems to indicate a real affinity for the club. If we could do some sort of signing on fee spread over the length of a contract and appearance bonus, we might be able to agree a deal and not blow our salary structure apart. The appearance money would be a safeguard against missing games through injury |
It's nothing to do with attitude FB, or his affinity. I agree it's being spot on. It's simply down to money. I don't think we will be able to afford either of them. They are both in their early 30's so their next contract may we their last, or at least their last major one. If as has been widely reported, Austin is on 70 K, then he won't want to drop below 40-50K. No way can we afford that. But plenty of Championship clubs currently occupying the top six that that wont get promoted, plus whoever finishes in the bottom 3 of the prem (including WBA) will be watching his exploits this season and will be able to afford to pay him that.
I know less about Johansen's situation, but he has been in the Prem twice with Fulham, so again safe to assume he is on north of 50K. How much of a pay-cut is he willing to take for first team football? He seemed quite happy for the first half of the season to sit it out.
Field is a different proposition, a young man trying to re-build his career. I think he would sign a 3 year deal for 20K a week or thereabouts. | | | |
| Johansen on 17:33 - Feb 19 with 1457 views | rsonist |
| Johansen on 17:18 - Feb 19 by Myke |
It's nothing to do with attitude FB, or his affinity. I agree it's being spot on. It's simply down to money. I don't think we will be able to afford either of them. They are both in their early 30's so their next contract may we their last, or at least their last major one. If as has been widely reported, Austin is on 70 K, then he won't want to drop below 40-50K. No way can we afford that. But plenty of Championship clubs currently occupying the top six that that wont get promoted, plus whoever finishes in the bottom 3 of the prem (including WBA) will be watching his exploits this season and will be able to afford to pay him that.
I know less about Johansen's situation, but he has been in the Prem twice with Fulham, so again safe to assume he is on north of 50K. How much of a pay-cut is he willing to take for first team football? He seemed quite happy for the first half of the season to sit it out.
Field is a different proposition, a young man trying to re-build his career. I think he would sign a 3 year deal for 20K a week or thereabouts. |
Austin has rather boxed himself in at this point. He'll be offered as much as we can afford and I'd be shocked if he didn't take it, or even if he had competing offers to consider.
Johansen's been a Championship mainstay but was twice sidelined after promotion. I'd guess he's on around 20-30k.
Field is unproven and has had injuries. He might have been given a lavish 20k youth deal at West Brom at some point but I'd be surprised if he gets half that as basic here. |  | | |
| Johansen on 17:36 - Feb 19 with 1452 views | Northernr |
Field will sign, Johansen will be earning too much, and Austin will have to decide whether QPR is his club to such an extent that he takes a colossal pay cut to finish here or takes up whatever lucrative one year deal some Stoke or Derby type wafts under his nose in the summer. FOREST! Forest almost certainly.
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| Johansen on 17:36 - Feb 19 with 1448 views | rsonist |
I should add none of that is to suggest anyone's any more affordable to us than we might've assumed, just that the figures seem high for the record. | | | |
| Johansen on 17:42 - Feb 19 with 1435 views | rsonist |
We should probably take a leaf out of Derby's book and get Talksport to pay Austin's wages. He can wear the 1089/1053 shirt. | | | |
| Johansen on 18:10 - Feb 19 with 1389 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I can't see Austin staying here at all.
If he plays well then he'll have better options.
If he doesn't we'd still have to offer top earner status to a player who hasn't performed.
And as for loving the club, I'm not being pessimistic in saying this but he also loves his family and he has to do right by them. So loving the club usually comes way down the list, and rightly so. |  |
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| Johansen on 18:21 - Feb 19 with 1377 views | Jigsore |
Austin MIGHT stay if we offered him the maximum wage imo. 32 in the Summer and doesn't strike me as the sort who'll gallavant off around the world playing till his legs fall off. Ever since he started his family he hasn't been any further north than Birmingham so it makes sense from that point of view as well as from the POV of a man who quite clearly has media ambitions. London is a good place to be.
plus does genuinely seem to enjoy being our, for lack of a better word, Troy Deeney [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 18:21]
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| Johansen on 18:23 - Feb 19 with 1371 views | Northernr |
| Johansen on 18:10 - Feb 19 by BrianMcCarthy |
I can't see Austin staying here at all.
If he plays well then he'll have better options.
If he doesn't we'd still have to offer top earner status to a player who hasn't performed.
And as for loving the club, I'm not being pessimistic in saying this but he also loves his family and he has to do right by them. So loving the club usually comes way down the list, and rightly so. |
I agree. Particularly if he keeps going through the second half of the season at the rate he's currently doing. One of the stupids will give him a one year deal on well north of £20k a week on a free transfer and we can't even offer half that.
If he were to drop off form and fitness however, different story, but then it becomes a different question too. | | | |
| Johansen on 18:49 - Feb 19 with 1325 views | BazzeR |
Being as Squad sizes will be scaled down from 25 this year to 20 next year this could in theory mean more younger players ‘padding out our squad ‘
Next year our rumoured highest earners at the moment Cameron and Wallace could be released which may also allow a higher ceiling in future negotiations with important players. | | | |
| Johansen on 18:59 - Feb 19 with 1294 views | loftboy |
| Johansen on 18:21 - Feb 19 by Jigsore |
Austin MIGHT stay if we offered him the maximum wage imo. 32 in the Summer and doesn't strike me as the sort who'll gallavant off around the world playing till his legs fall off. Ever since he started his family he hasn't been any further north than Birmingham so it makes sense from that point of view as well as from the POV of a man who quite clearly has media ambitions. London is a good place to be.
plus does genuinely seem to enjoy being our, for lack of a better word, Troy Deeney [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 18:21]
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| Johansen on 19:02 - Feb 19 with 1290 views | rsonist |
| Johansen on 18:23 - Feb 19 by Northernr |
I agree. Particularly if he keeps going through the second half of the season at the rate he's currently doing. One of the stupids will give him a one year deal on well north of £20k a week on a free transfer and we can't even offer half that.
If he were to drop off form and fitness however, different story, but then it becomes a different question too. |
I think we'll push the boat out as far as it'll go. A 10-15k a week difference certainly isn't nothing (if that rival offer even comes in in this market) but I think there are other factors too. He's just said so much at this point, unsolicited, that it would be an inconceivably ludicrous and entirely self-inflicted fiasco if he was still keeping his options open for something more pragmatic. Loving the club is one thing but what about all that feeling like he's got a purpose again stuff, about how you can't enjoy your football that way? He's already made an absolute packet off bit part roles at Southampton and West Brom he's now pretty obviously criticised.
IMO we shouldn't underestimate that it's quite likely he needs us as much as we need him. I don't think his media blitz ever since signing is any coincidence - couple years enjoying the end of his career as returning king of the club, but it's also a high profile active platform and foundation for his next earner. And as part of that, look at how he's leaned into being a maverick straight talking big opinion gossip discloser in those media appearances - Brand Chaz - not exactly smoothing the path for a cushy contract at a highest bidder. | | | |
| Johansen on 19:07 - Feb 19 with 1277 views | Northernr |
| Johansen on 19:02 - Feb 19 by rsonist |
I think we'll push the boat out as far as it'll go. A 10-15k a week difference certainly isn't nothing (if that rival offer even comes in in this market) but I think there are other factors too. He's just said so much at this point, unsolicited, that it would be an inconceivably ludicrous and entirely self-inflicted fiasco if he was still keeping his options open for something more pragmatic. Loving the club is one thing but what about all that feeling like he's got a purpose again stuff, about how you can't enjoy your football that way? He's already made an absolute packet off bit part roles at Southampton and West Brom he's now pretty obviously criticised.
IMO we shouldn't underestimate that it's quite likely he needs us as much as we need him. I don't think his media blitz ever since signing is any coincidence - couple years enjoying the end of his career as returning king of the club, but it's also a high profile active platform and foundation for his next earner. And as part of that, look at how he's leaned into being a maverick straight talking big opinion gossip discloser in those media appearances - Brand Chaz - not exactly smoothing the path for a cushy contract at a highest bidder. |
Agree with all of that, but even £10k-£15k a week basic is a signifcant, significant stretch from what we're paying now. It's more like £5-6k a week basic which you can top up to £10k if you play and we win, which you might not and we never do. Some knobhead like Forest would give Austin £25k a week basic not a problem at all. This is the problem we had with Bright and Manning, they bumped up on our ceiling, which is now 5k + 5k bonus a week and we wouldn't go further. | | | |
| Johansen on 19:09 - Feb 19 with 1270 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Johansen on 12:20 - Feb 19 by TheChef |
He's also more of a nasty bstard, which really helps us. |
I think that's important, I'd hate to have a team full of PNE types but our team has been so inoffensive that I really like the few we have - I suppose it's Johnasen, Austin and Cameron really - who don't mind being nasty.
It's a bit like adding salt to a meal, you don't want too much but a bit makes all the difference. | | | |
| Johansen on 19:09 - Feb 19 with 1270 views | Jigsore |
| Johansen on 18:59 - Feb 19 by loftboy |
He played for Burnley |
that's why I mentioned family, he hasn't been that far north basically since his daughter could crawl. would imagine they're pretty settled | | | |
| Johansen on 19:12 - Feb 19 with 1259 views | loftboy |
| Johansen on 19:09 - Feb 19 by Jigsore |
that's why I mentioned family, he hasn't been that far north basically since his daughter could crawl. would imagine they're pretty settled |
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| Johansen on 19:17 - Feb 19 with 1255 views | Jigsore |
| Johansen on 19:12 - Feb 19 by loftboy |
Should have read it properly sorry 👠|
no problem, and to be fair it is speculation on my part | | | |
| Johansen on 19:37 - Feb 19 with 1204 views | rsonist |
| Johansen on 19:07 - Feb 19 by Northernr |
Agree with all of that, but even £10k-£15k a week basic is a signifcant, significant stretch from what we're paying now. It's more like £5-6k a week basic which you can top up to £10k if you play and we win, which you might not and we never do. Some knobhead like Forest would give Austin £25k a week basic not a problem at all. This is the problem we had with Bright and Manning, they bumped up on our ceiling, which is now 5k + 5k bonus a week and we wouldn't go further. |
Fair enough, we're a tad brasser than I thought. Get on that image rights loophole Hoos, we've a media icon on our hands.
Still I'd say it's not unimportant than Chaz has probably made, what... £10m? £15m? after tax off Saints and WBA I reckon. | | | |
| Johansen on 20:57 - Feb 19 with 1127 views | Myke |
To anyone who thinks Austin's heart will rule head, two words - Nahkkiiii Wells | | | |
| Johansen on 21:12 - Feb 19 with 1093 views | bakerloo8 |
| Johansen on 20:57 - Feb 19 by Myke |
To anyone who thinks Austin's heart will rule head, two words - Nahkkiiii Wells |
Nahki Wells ain't Charlie Austin. Saying that I cant se him here next season either unless we magic £2m from somewhere for him to spread as wages over a couple of years. |  | | |
| Johansen on 21:17 - Feb 19 with 1093 views | Northernr |
| Johansen on 19:37 - Feb 19 by rsonist |
Fair enough, we're a tad brasser than I thought. Get on that image rights loophole Hoos, we've a media icon on our hands.
Still I'd say it's not unimportant than Chaz has probably made, what... £10m? £15m? after tax off Saints and WBA I reckon. |
Yeh, hopefully. But what has he done with it? Has he been sensible? Know he's bought a lot of horses. No 16-22 years spent in some nonsense academy system pulling £10k a week for Chaz, he was on a building site and then playing for Swindon. If QPR offer 5k+5k on a one year contract with a one year option next year, and Forest offer £25k a week, is he well set enough to go for heart over head? I guess we'll find out.
Or he'll get injured. | | | |
| Johansen on 22:24 - Feb 19 with 1026 views | wombat |
| Johansen on 20:57 - Feb 19 by Myke |
To anyone who thinks Austin's heart will rule head, two words - Nahkkiiii Wells |
We couldn’t afford the transfer fee not even got into wages for wells , he did well he was sold for more than they would have hoped to get , hugill to norwich hasn’t gone well either once again parent club got. Wedge of cash for a player they didn’t want |  |
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| Johansen on 02:56 - Feb 20 with 959 views | LazyFan |
I thought our top wage was £10K per week as that's what BFG 2 was on and that's why he had to go as he was not a first-teamer.
Wallace and Cameron cannot be far off that and they will be released.
Jordy de Wijs has been brought on loan for the idea to trial him out and if it works we sign him as the replacement for Cameron. Wallace, we need a replacement for as I thought Niko was ready, but as we can see he's not. I would not be surprised if they convert Niko into a left-winger and then change Willock into a striker.
If Fulham stays up (no chance) then we can loan Johansen for a full season next year. Field is in my view the long term replacement for LTC, which QPR will keep for one more year.
Austin will be off to another club, no chance he will play for us next season and also I am not sure his body can take a full season in the Champ.
So, assuming Jordy de Wijs plays well and we sign him and Fields the same, then this means we shall need next season.
1st teamers:
LB, ST, DMC
Backups:
GK, CD
A couple of expensive loans in for: AMC and ST, just to be sure.
I am hoping once we get to 49 pts, we play Kelman, Smyth, Bettache and Kakay, Niko on the wing with Willock upfront for the experience. This may also limit Austins appearances for getting goals and too good a rep so, he comes back next season.
Considering the above we only need a few players next season, Evil Les and Mastermind Hoos have done an excellent job. Really it's so, impressive when you think about how well the club is being managed now. |  |
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| Johansen on 03:11 - Feb 20 with 958 views | Benny_the_Ball |
A fitting acquisition in that he provides the midfield with qualities it was sorely lacking, most notably leadership, guile and steel. I was getting a wee bit frustrated with QPR stockpiling wingers it neither needed nor used. This signing feels more calculated; QPR identifying the team's weaknesses and signing a player to bridge the gap. [Post edited 20 Feb 2021 3:14]
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