| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:00 - Jul 6 with 1312 views | loftboy |
I switched to 4 days last year, has made a huge difference to my home work balance. |  |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:06 - Jul 6 with 1298 views | loftboy |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 13:23 - Jul 6 by 80s_Boy |
For me, and I hope everyone else on this board, finishing as late as 6:45 is an extreme rarity and something I would never accept becoming the norm.
It's not just spending less time with the wife it's about lifestyle.
I'm a regular theatre attendee, for example, and if I have tickets to an evening performance I like to have a meal beforehand or, if attending by myself, like to cycle from work along the river or through the parks to unwind and forget about the working day.
Likewise, if we have a night match at Loftus Road I hate going straight from the office to the ground. I like to have a beer or two en route to switch off.
I hate the idea of losing that extra hour/hour and a half and heading straight into a theatre or stadium straight after a day at work and tube journey. |
I work two days at 15:30 - 23-30 and two days at 14:30 - 22:30, I rarely work up to my finish time, only down side is I only get paid to the time I clock out, I have time in the morning to go to the gym or whatever DIY the Mrs wants done, 3 days off aren’t in a row, I have Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday, hopefully swapping the Sunday for a Saturday in the near future.
Also live a 5 minute walk from my store so no petrol costs and home within minutes of finishing. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 15:08]
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:08 - Jul 6 with 1289 views | Boston |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 12:16 - Jul 6 by Match82 |
In principle I'm all for this. And I think in a lot of industries it would work. But in a highly capitalist society such as the US this really means in some jobs you'd just get paid 4 days instead of 5 for doing the same amount of work.
Absolutely no chance the big companies are going to just pony up 20% more workforce, they'd reduce wages of their current staff and find ways of getting them to do more work [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 12:17]
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They’re falling head over heads to replace humans with machines as it is. |  |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:11 - Jul 6 with 1280 views | Superhoop83 |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 14:54 - Jul 6 by QPR_Jim |
That sounds like the Chairman at my employer, want's everyone back in the office because we can't be trusted to work from home. Basically the company has already stated that we'll need risk assessments for future home working and the company won't assist with additional equipment or anything for those wanting to WFH part of the time.
Interestingly the monthly e-mails over this period are always very positive about how well we're doing working from home. The accounts this April showed that everyone's made a profit and productivity hasn't been impacted but they still want us in the office. I don't see what me sitting in traffic for an hour before and after work does to boost my productivity or my general mood. |
Spookily and depressingly similar to my firm. I'd ask where you work if I didn't know I'm the only QPR fan at mine, but you have my sympathy.
The bosses will say that they want everyone there to work as part of a team, even though they never work as part of a team. They just want everyone on site to keep an eye on them or for the extremely rare times they need you and want you there "on tap" for their convenience.
I know that wfh doesn't work well for everyone but when it clearly works well it is soul sapping to see people resist it for selfish or cynical reasons. |  |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:14 - Jul 6 with 1266 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 14:43 - Jul 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It really is a derogatory term. I am told this on a daily basis by people called it.
Otherwise I catch your point, and I’m not suggesting you mean anything bad by it.
You are right. If this is going to happen, it’s going to be difficult. But so was the minimum wage, weekends, child Labour laws, and health and safety legislation but it will be worth it.
If your boss is giving you a hard time, which is what it sounds like to me, join a Union and organise. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:46]
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"It really is a derogatory term. I am told this on a daily basis by people called it"
I agree. It's a nonsense and insulting.
I also find the term "professional people" to be insulting. Everyone who works has a profession and to separate some professions as somehow proper and to demean the rest is arrogant.
It's like people who call themselves Dr. John Doe. Who throws their job title into their name? What a random thing to throw in when asked your name. I'm going to go start calling myself Quantity Surveyor (and Failed Carpenter) Brian McCarthy? |  |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:17 - Jul 6 with 1253 views | Boston |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:14 - Jul 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
"It really is a derogatory term. I am told this on a daily basis by people called it"
I agree. It's a nonsense and insulting.
I also find the term "professional people" to be insulting. Everyone who works has a profession and to separate some professions as somehow proper and to demean the rest is arrogant.
It's like people who call themselves Dr. John Doe. Who throws their job title into their name? What a random thing to throw in when asked your name. I'm going to go start calling myself Quantity Surveyor (and Failed Carpenter) Brian McCarthy? |
Ok with me…sir. | |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:17 - Jul 6 with 1254 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:14 - Jul 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
"It really is a derogatory term. I am told this on a daily basis by people called it"
I agree. It's a nonsense and insulting.
I also find the term "professional people" to be insulting. Everyone who works has a profession and to separate some professions as somehow proper and to demean the rest is arrogant.
It's like people who call themselves Dr. John Doe. Who throws their job title into their name? What a random thing to throw in when asked your name. I'm going to go start calling myself Quantity Surveyor (and Failed Carpenter) Brian McCarthy? |
Don't be so hard on yourself.
They are a tight knit family and the standard of singing is really high. It would be hard for anyone to get into. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 18:23]
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:23 - Jul 6 with 1242 views | 80s_Boy |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:14 - Jul 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
"It really is a derogatory term. I am told this on a daily basis by people called it"
I agree. It's a nonsense and insulting.
I also find the term "professional people" to be insulting. Everyone who works has a profession and to separate some professions as somehow proper and to demean the rest is arrogant.
It's like people who call themselves Dr. John Doe. Who throws their job title into their name? What a random thing to throw in when asked your name. I'm going to go start calling myself Quantity Surveyor (and Failed Carpenter) Brian McCarthy? |
You're getting a like because one of my pet hates is people on Twitter putting Dr as a Prefix when they have, for example, a PhD in Theatre studies!
I see where you're coming from with regards to labeling jobs because EVERYONE is playing a vital role whether to the nation's economic health or to the general wellbeing but there is a clear need to separate certain types of professions for a number of reasons and 'Unskilled'/'Professional' are terms which everyone can understand.
When I was a lazy oik and wasting my life I had a few 'dead end jobs' and was catagorised as Unskilled on a few occasions but never once felt insulted or offended. |  | | |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:33 - Jul 6 with 1225 views | QPR_Jim |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:11 - Jul 6 by Superhoop83 |
Spookily and depressingly similar to my firm. I'd ask where you work if I didn't know I'm the only QPR fan at mine, but you have my sympathy.
The bosses will say that they want everyone there to work as part of a team, even though they never work as part of a team. They just want everyone on site to keep an eye on them or for the extremely rare times they need you and want you there "on tap" for their convenience.
I know that wfh doesn't work well for everyone but when it clearly works well it is soul sapping to see people resist it for selfish or cynical reasons. |
Yeah I don't think there are any other QPR fans where I work. Most of the senior management are Chelsea as well, so not sure if there are any other R's but keeping quiet.
They allude to working together in the office being better for collaboration but we have all he tools to work remotely, we've proven that over the last 15 months I think they're just being lazy and want us to hand like you say.
I'm just annoyed because I like my team and I don't really want to have to leave but they seem intent on making it harder to stay. |  | | |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:55 - Jul 6 with 1194 views | Match82 |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:33 - Jul 6 by QPR_Jim |
Yeah I don't think there are any other QPR fans where I work. Most of the senior management are Chelsea as well, so not sure if there are any other R's but keeping quiet.
They allude to working together in the office being better for collaboration but we have all he tools to work remotely, we've proven that over the last 15 months I think they're just being lazy and want us to hand like you say.
I'm just annoyed because I like my team and I don't really want to have to leave but they seem intent on making it harder to stay. |
It's interesting. I personally believe that it's way, way easier to collaborate in person but it totally depends on personality, as well as the line of work you are in.
I've seen a couple of places here go to a model with 3 dedicated days in the office, 2 optional. And the key part is that they made it mandatory to schedule any meetings which require group collaboration to be on the 3 in office days. I quite like that approach, you can still have individual meetings etc on the optional days, but people who decide to work from home those days are not disadvantaged, which removes some of the pressure to come in even if you know technically you don't have to.
One thing I strongly believe is that the half in person half remote meetings are terrible. They work way better if everyone is in or everyone is remote. |  | | |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:59 - Jul 6 with 1175 views | derbyhoop |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 10:10 - Jul 6 by DaBurgh |
Absolutely agree, this 2 day weekend malarkey has gone on long enough.
Always stated that I would be happy doing four 9 hour days, to get a three day weekend. I'm retired in france now so hey ho. |
I was going to retire in France but got bored after 6 months. Started as an Immobilier and enjoying it, although French bureaucracy is terrible. |  |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 18:20 - Jul 6 with 1110 views | hantssi |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:14 - Jul 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
"It really is a derogatory term. I am told this on a daily basis by people called it"
I agree. It's a nonsense and insulting.
I also find the term "professional people" to be insulting. Everyone who works has a profession and to separate some professions as somehow proper and to demean the rest is arrogant.
It's like people who call themselves Dr. John Doe. Who throws their job title into their name? What a random thing to throw in when asked your name. I'm going to go start calling myself Quantity Surveyor (and Failed Carpenter) Brian McCarthy? |
I’d NEVER own up to being a QS if I were you Brian!!
I’m a failed plumber and heating engineer, happily despatched to the office as a PM and now estimator which I can WFH just as easily as the office although I like to go in a couple of days a week to meet people/print documents etc.
We’ve been working remotely very successfully for nearly 18 months now but we’ve had a return to the office on 21st July email.
I’ve told them it’s not happening and as I’m old enough they’re happy to let me keep part time. | | | |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 18:28 - Jul 6 with 1099 views | qpr_1968 |
would love a 4 day week.
can't see the royal mail ever agreeing to it though. | |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 20:18 - Jul 6 with 1043 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 18:28 - Jul 6 by qpr_1968 |
would love a 4 day week.
can't see the royal mail ever agreeing to it though. |
Four day week? Completed it mate.
https://www.cwu.org/news/south [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 20:18]
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 20:50 - Jul 6 with 1009 views | loftboy |
It makes so much sense, most industries are operating 7 days a week so get your staff on slightly longer 4 days those that want to could probably work a 5th as overtime and enjoy some quality time doing what you want.
When I was on 5 days at Sainsburys you could guarantee that the shift before my days of would be a late and the shift after would be an early meaning I couldn’t get a decent rest.
Much happier doing the pattern I’m on now. | |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 20:52 - Jul 6 with 1006 views | qpr_1968 |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 21:08 - Jul 6 with 988 views | Rangersw12 |
I'm now classed as a hybrid worker and we should find out in September what days we will be at home/office and how flexible its gonna be
I've found working form home brilliant I've been more productive and been able to do the school run which enables my partner to work full time at a nursery [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 22:58]
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 22:22 - Jul 6 with 949 views | Boston |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:23 - Jul 6 by 80s_Boy |
You're getting a like because one of my pet hates is people on Twitter putting Dr as a Prefix when they have, for example, a PhD in Theatre studies!
I see where you're coming from with regards to labeling jobs because EVERYONE is playing a vital role whether to the nation's economic health or to the general wellbeing but there is a clear need to separate certain types of professions for a number of reasons and 'Unskilled'/'Professional' are terms which everyone can understand.
When I was a lazy oik and wasting my life I had a few 'dead end jobs' and was catagorised as Unskilled on a few occasions but never once felt insulted or offended. |
You're only a doctor if you can write a prescription.
Always remember a lecturer at Cricklewood Building School pulling up some of the carpentry apprentices for taking the piss out of the trainee labourer's. "it's not a good idea to make fun of those blokes", he informed them, "they're probably going to be your employer's in ten years time." | |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 07:18 - Jul 7 with 871 views | distortR |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 15:14 - Jul 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
"It really is a derogatory term. I am told this on a daily basis by people called it"
I agree. It's a nonsense and insulting.
I also find the term "professional people" to be insulting. Everyone who works has a profession and to separate some professions as somehow proper and to demean the rest is arrogant.
It's like people who call themselves Dr. John Doe. Who throws their job title into their name? What a random thing to throw in when asked your name. I'm going to go start calling myself Quantity Surveyor (and Failed Carpenter) Brian McCarthy? |
If you want some pronoun's, I've got a few I've used in relation to you in the past you can have 
Otherwise, totally agree with you. It was the 'unskilled jobs' that kept going while the rest of you spent the best part of the year staying at home or buying lycra.
Bastards. | | | |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 07:53 - Jul 7 with 851 views | Juzzie |
I work for a giant global company that although is French-Canadian (and now 10% Chinese) owned, is very much American-centric in the way it works i.e. work you to death.
They have been great TBF during the last 18 months but they have benefited too as people WFH have become more productive and have work longer hours (usually through necessity) which is worryingly becoming expected to be the norm.
I struggle to get all the work done over five days a week, no way could I do it in four especially with a young family meaning I can’t work until 8,9,10pm (then sometimes during the weekend) as others have been doing.
Yes, more staff would solve the problem but mention that and you just get silence. |  | | |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 08:08 - Jul 7 with 842 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 07:18 - Jul 7 by distortR |
If you want some pronoun's, I've got a few I've used in relation to you in the past you can have
Otherwise, totally agree with you. It was the 'unskilled jobs' that kept going while the rest of you spent the best part of the year staying at home or buying lycra.
Bastards. |
You've called me an unskilled footballer in the past, which was damn elitist of you. | |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 10:33 - Jul 7 with 780 views | francisbowles |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 18:20 - Jul 6 by hantssi |
I’d NEVER own up to being a QS if I were you Brian!!
I’m a failed plumber and heating engineer, happily despatched to the office as a PM and now estimator which I can WFH just as easily as the office although I like to go in a couple of days a week to meet people/print documents etc.
We’ve been working remotely very successfully for nearly 18 months now but we’ve had a return to the office on 21st July email.
I’ve told them it’s not happening and as I’m old enough they’re happy to let me keep part time. |
Blimey Boris, I didn't realise that you were an R never mind a failed plumber. PM is the ideal job for WFH although I don't think the four day week is a go'er. | | | |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 11:28 - Jul 7 with 746 views | hantssi |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 10:33 - Jul 7 by francisbowles |
Blimey Boris, I didn't realise that you were an R never mind a failed plumber. PM is the ideal job for WFH although I don't think the four day week is a go'er. |
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Probably should have said Project Manager, although I’d like his salary! | | | |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 13:01 - Jul 7 with 691 views | R_from_afar |
| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 07:53 - Jul 7 by Juzzie |
I work for a giant global company that although is French-Canadian (and now 10% Chinese) owned, is very much American-centric in the way it works i.e. work you to death.
They have been great TBF during the last 18 months but they have benefited too as people WFH have become more productive and have work longer hours (usually through necessity) which is worryingly becoming expected to be the norm.
I struggle to get all the work done over five days a week, no way could I do it in four especially with a young family meaning I can’t work until 8,9,10pm (then sometimes during the weekend) as others have been doing.
Yes, more staff would solve the problem but mention that and you just get silence. |
I feel your pain. I worked for a big US software company for over ten years. At times, I wondered whether the game was "first one to have a heart attack wins". A lot of what we did seemed to be about doing lots of work, rather than the things which actually mattered. Quantity over quality. "Look at all this collateral we have prepared for the campaign". Great but a) do we need all those different deliverables? b) if we had fewer of them, would they be better targeted at our customers and better written?
By the time I left, my department had shrunk from nine people plus a full time manager to three people and a manager who also managed another team, but the department was required to do just as much work as before, more even, because things we had been doing for a while started to be taken for granted, as if they happened by magic, not through hard graft.
I used to hear that no company was harder to work for than Cisco (where I have never worked), although the rewards there are quite something. Well, someone joined my old company from Cisco and after a few months, declared that Cisco was a piece of cake compared with where he now was.
I was going to grit my teeth and try to hang on there until I retired, but I got made redundant. After a few months out then a contract role on half the money I enjoyed before, my new employers offered me a permanent job and I'm still there three years on, thank God. My new company is Finnish and is better at enabling its employees to have a work/life balance. I'm sure some American companies *are* fine.... |  |
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| Four Day Week Three Day Bender on 13:28 - Jul 7 with 662 views | SheffieldHoop |
It costs more to run a service on a weekend than it does during the week.
Making the weekend 3 days instead of 2 would represent the biggest cut to public services in decades. |  |
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