| Lovely as ever on 22:14 - Aug 3 with 2028 views | 80s_Boy |
| Lovely as ever on 22:10 - Aug 3 by stowmarketrange |
A lot of these muppets start hostilities as soon as they get together,so they don’t even wait until they get in the ground.You see them get off the train mob handed at Shepherds Bush or White city on Saturday,and you can see that it isn’t about a challenge from opposing fans. |
Agree and those would fall into the idiots they attract.
But most I know or met want to keep a low profile at away games so they can escape Police attention and slip out of any kettling so they can go to whatever pubs they want to and enjoy a good day out. |  | |  |
| Lovely as ever on 22:20 - Aug 3 with 2000 views | GloryHunter |
| Lovely as ever on 21:44 - Aug 3 by 80s_Boy |
Grew up a 20 minute walk from The Den and have had some great days/nights with friends at their matches.
Do they deserve some of the reputation they have? Absolutely. They have some right idiots who follow them and they are accepted far too easily and without question for my liking.
But there is no doubt that they are harshly judged by people who don't know the full circumstances behind the headlines or, if we're being honest, because they are the most white working class fanbase in London.
Some examples:
* When other communities came together to tackle the rioters in 2011 they were all praised by the media but the Millwall fans in Eltham were deemed racist by the Guardian who also said they'd only gone out not to protect their area but because an opportunity to attack Black people had presented itself.
* Growing up in the area leaves you with no doubt that it is incredibly patriotic and as they sat watching rioters deface War memorials last year it was obvious that once back in stadiums they would passionately boo the gesture they had - rightly or wrongly - decided was synonymous with the riots.
It was booed throughout the country but did the double-barrelled, privately educated 'liberals' make a point of naming and shaming other clubs or listening to what Millwall fans were saying...?
* The 'Luton' footage is regularly brought out to use as a stick to beat them with despite being over 35 years ago and despite, also it is forgotten, in a season where football violence was at its nadir in this country. In the same season our fans rioted at Portman Road and there was footage but do we get subjected to it on multiple occasions throughout the years?
I could go on to false allegations of racism by opposition black players at The Den which are, despite the presence of top end surveillance equipment and a open desire by the club to ban people who carry out such actions, never proved (and always seem to come from players on losing sides too).
However, if you want to know what Millwall are up against this should leave you shocked..
http://www.millwall-history.or
They have idiots but are also up against some idiots who simply don't like people from the background most Millwall fans are from. [Post edited 3 Aug 2021 21:45]
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I live in Lewisham, and agree with some of your points. But it's not just "idiots" that bring Millwall down. There is also a sinister and more intelligent organised hooliganism behind it. The guys dressed smartly in black (never team colours) who get off at tube stops away from HQ and start racing along platforms, and through the streets, checking their phones. I saw it at Ravenscourt Park last time out. That's worrying. |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 22:25 - Aug 3 with 1977 views | stowmarketrange |
| Lovely as ever on 22:12 - Aug 3 by 80s_Boy |
Haven't been to a QPR away game in years - last one was Fulham in 2018 - but can't believe that in that sort space of time we have stopped singing QPR songs en route to matches, when arriving in towns/cities and outside pubs...
If we have we are unique in the Football League... |
No we haven’t done that,but mostly it’s good natured singing rather than just trying to intimidate everyone around us.
And the good ones also seem to revel in their reputation too.If they wanted to have a quiet pint in a pub of their choosing there are plenty to choose from a few stops short of Shepherd’s Bush on the central line,but most of them choose to try and find a pub in W12. |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 22:29 - Aug 3 with 1954 views | 80s_Boy |
| Lovely as ever on 22:20 - Aug 3 by GloryHunter |
I live in Lewisham, and agree with some of your points. But it's not just "idiots" that bring Millwall down. There is also a sinister and more intelligent organised hooliganism behind it. The guys dressed smartly in black (never team colours) who get off at tube stops away from HQ and start racing along platforms, and through the streets, checking their phones. I saw it at Ravenscourt Park last time out. That's worrying. |
Yep, the organised firm they have is ridiculously so but, what I would add, is that if they are on the phone the chances are that they are going to pre arranged 'meets' with rival fans...
The 'infamous' Borough lift incident wasn't a random bunch of QPR fans going for a quiet drink around Borough Market... | | | |
| Lovely as ever on 22:32 - Aug 3 with 1929 views | 80s_Boy |
| Lovely as ever on 22:25 - Aug 3 by stowmarketrange |
No we haven’t done that,but mostly it’s good natured singing rather than just trying to intimidate everyone around us.
And the good ones also seem to revel in their reputation too.If they wanted to have a quiet pint in a pub of their choosing there are plenty to choose from a few stops short of Shepherd’s Bush on the central line,but most of them choose to try and find a pub in W12. |
'.If they wanted to have a quiet pint in a pub of their choosing there are plenty to choose from a few stops short of Shepherd’s Bush on the central line,but most of them choose to try and find a pub in W12.'
Possibly because it is closer to the ground and they can stay as late as possible?
Will you drink in Oxford Street or Bank when we play Orient? | | | |
| Lovely as ever on 22:37 - Aug 3 with 1915 views | kensalriser |
80s Boy, I disagree with quite of lot of what you're saying as overly apologetic for an element that is really quite unpleasant, but your opinion so fair enough. Where I would take issue is the proposition that double-barrelled and privately educated people are 'liberal'. They mostly aren't - quite the opposite in fact. |  |
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| Lovely as ever on 22:40 - Aug 3 with 1904 views | stowmarketrange |
| Lovely as ever on 22:32 - Aug 3 by 80s_Boy |
'.If they wanted to have a quiet pint in a pub of their choosing there are plenty to choose from a few stops short of Shepherd’s Bush on the central line,but most of them choose to try and find a pub in W12.'
Possibly because it is closer to the ground and they can stay as late as possible?
Will you drink in Oxford Street or Bank when we play Orient? |
They can’t have it both ways,they either drink in W12 and put up with their idiots being frog marched to the ground or find a pub 2 stops away and they’d probably be in the ground quicker than walking from the only away pub in W12,with all the hassle that involves.
Seeing as I would get off the ipswich train at Stratford,I probably wouldn’t drink in Oxford st before going to the Orient game,but if I go to the game I will go along with a couple of Orient mates and won’t act like a moron in any pub I go to. | | | |
| Lovely as ever on 22:50 - Aug 3 with 1869 views | simmo |
A lot of men that need to grow up. The VAST majority of fans are there for the football and the friendships/families that go along with that, it's frustrating that people can't just look forward to the game and occasion without having to navigate police escorts and people who think punching is a way of life. These people need therapy. |  |
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| Lovely as ever on 23:02 - Aug 3 with 1827 views | enfieldargh |
I remember we played Millwall at home on a midweek. Was walking back to Shep Bush Market station Rangers & Millwall fans together. The atmosphere was not good but there was no trouble.
There was a hint of trouble ahead (although nothing) and a rather rotund copper got distracted and somehow dropped his baton and walked off leaving it on the ground. Weird that.
A group of Millwall fans spotted this and one pickup up the baton and put it under his jacket and went on his way.
Apart from that nothing else happened just really odd |  |
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| Lovely as ever on 23:19 - Aug 3 with 1775 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Always thought the Millwall thing was over egged to be honest. I know a handful of fans through my previous employment who are a great laugh and good as gold. One even played for them in the FA Cup final.
Just a more aggy than usual minority who play up to the reputation is my anecdotal experience.
The stuff said on that forum is not much different to what’s said on WATRB and on here occasionally to be honest. No need to resurrect it, but a quick skim of of the Match thread last year will confirm this. |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 23:19 - Aug 3 with 1774 views | DannytheR |
| Lovely as ever on 21:44 - Aug 3 by 80s_Boy |
Grew up a 20 minute walk from The Den and have had some great days/nights with friends at their matches.
Do they deserve some of the reputation they have? Absolutely. They have some right idiots who follow them and they are accepted far too easily and without question for my liking.
But there is no doubt that they are harshly judged by people who don't know the full circumstances behind the headlines or, if we're being honest, because they are the most white working class fanbase in London.
Some examples:
* When other communities came together to tackle the rioters in 2011 they were all praised by the media but the Millwall fans in Eltham were deemed racist by the Guardian who also said they'd only gone out not to protect their area but because an opportunity to attack Black people had presented itself.
* Growing up in the area leaves you with no doubt that it is incredibly patriotic and as they sat watching rioters deface War memorials last year it was obvious that once back in stadiums they would passionately boo the gesture they had - rightly or wrongly - decided was synonymous with the riots.
It was booed throughout the country but did the double-barrelled, privately educated 'liberals' make a point of naming and shaming other clubs or listening to what Millwall fans were saying...?
* The 'Luton' footage is regularly brought out to use as a stick to beat them with despite being over 35 years ago and despite, also it is forgotten, in a season where football violence was at its nadir in this country. In the same season our fans rioted at Portman Road and there was footage but do we get subjected to it on multiple occasions throughout the years?
I could go on to false allegations of racism by opposition black players at The Den which are, despite the presence of top end surveillance equipment and a open desire by the club to ban people who carry out such actions, never proved (and always seem to come from players on losing sides too).
However, if you want to know what Millwall are up against this should leave you shocked..
http://www.millwall-history.or
They have idiots but are also up against some idiots who simply don't like people from the background most Millwall fans are from. [Post edited 3 Aug 2021 21:45]
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Think you'll find plenty of people who grew up in council flats and went to comprehensive school also think they're a bunch of arseholes. |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 23:24 - Aug 3 with 1756 views | ozexile |
Was at a mid 80's league cup game at Lftus Road against them on a Wednesday. As soon as HT was blown they just slipped into Ellerslie and South Africa Rd kicking and punching anything that was in their way. Not good old boys, just thugs who need locking away. |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 23:40 - Aug 3 with 1717 views | daveB |
I find the whole Millwall thing a bit pathetic really, they are just bullies hoping to scare people with their reputation and some of them will be in town to cause as much trouble as possible on Saturday. A large chunk of them are not coming to watch a football match that is obvious every time we play them.
Defending them as patriots is laughable to be honest.
Saturday should be a joyful day where fans come together back in full stadiums again but it's going to be a nasty atmosphere around the Bush all day, we all know it. |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 23:43 - Aug 3 with 1714 views | bob566 |
Hate hooliganism. Seems to have gone for the best part and the world's a better place for it. I'd hate to think QPR would have any left. | | | |
| Lovely as ever on 23:47 - Aug 3 with 1708 views | Loftgirl |
| Lovely as ever on 16:27 - Aug 3 by Juzzie |
I bet their 'f**k you' isn't even real. It's all a put-on for a few hours on a Saturday while the rest of the week they're getting it in the earhole from the missus. |
But in the town it was well known when they got home at night their fat and psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives. |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 00:43 - Aug 4 with 1643 views | rsonist |
For what it's worth, a Guardian journalist's dogged work over several years was instrumental in seeing off the threat from offshore developers and council corruption to Millwall's existence at the Den.
https://www.theguardian.com/fo |  | | |
| Lovely as ever on 01:00 - Aug 4 with 1618 views | Boston |
| Lovely as ever on 23:43 - Aug 3 by bob566 |
Hate hooliganism. Seems to have gone for the best part and the world's a better place for it. I'd hate to think QPR would have any left. |
Oh we do. They're arrested, charged, imprisoned every season. | |
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| Lovely as ever on 02:27 - Aug 4 with 1564 views | BlackCrowe |
| Lovely as ever on 23:47 - Aug 3 by Loftgirl |
But in the town it was well known when they got home at night their fat and psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives. |
Alas not my experience. I know of one my sort of age, mid 50s, and he's a throwback to yesteryear.....wife is subservient, cornershop workers are fair game for disdain, foreigners all have something to take the piss out of in a mean way........the whole caboodle. And the 15 year old son is a chip off the old block of course. |  |
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| Lovely as ever on 02:35 - Aug 4 with 1562 views | HAYESBOY |
Lovely people......do a lot fore charity... |  |
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| Lovely as ever on 06:07 - Aug 4 with 1480 views | 80s_Boy |
| Lovely as ever on 23:40 - Aug 3 by daveB |
I find the whole Millwall thing a bit pathetic really, they are just bullies hoping to scare people with their reputation and some of them will be in town to cause as much trouble as possible on Saturday. A large chunk of them are not coming to watch a football match that is obvious every time we play them.
Defending them as patriots is laughable to be honest.
Saturday should be a joyful day where fans come together back in full stadiums again but it's going to be a nasty atmosphere around the Bush all day, we all know it. |
The only part of my post where I mentioned patriotism was when it was about them booing the knee due to the association they had - rightly or wrongly - formed with riots which saw war memorials desecrated last summer.
If you didn't grow up in the area you would possibly not understand the emotional attachment the majority of people have to the memory of those who fought and died during the World Wars especially as it was one the most targeted parts of London due to the position of the docks. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 6:08]
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| Lovely as ever on 06:11 - Aug 4 with 1478 views | 80s_Boy |
| Lovely as ever on 23:43 - Aug 3 by bob566 |
Hate hooliganism. Seems to have gone for the best part and the world's a better place for it. I'd hate to think QPR would have any left. |
We have plenty left and we're the most active London club after Millwall, Spurs and West Ham. | | | |
| Lovely as ever on 06:17 - Aug 4 with 1474 views | 80s_Boy |
| Lovely as ever on 23:19 - Aug 3 by DannytheR |
Think you'll find plenty of people who grew up in council flats and went to comprehensive school also think they're a bunch of arseholes. |
I grew up on an incredibly poor council estate and the idiots at Millwall were despised by most because they were the ones who suffered most from their activities.
However, if you think it was right for the Guardian to label Millwall fans who defended Eltham in 2011 as racists or for The Sun to do a hit piece on their fans in which Brighton fans singing 'Seagulls' was reported as Millwall fans singing 'Sieg Heil' then you need to take a look in the mirror and work out what kind of person you are.
The idiots are idiots but there's a lot of shit thrown in Millwall's direction - and by association the working class people of Bermondsey and surrounding areas - by idiots with an agenda. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 6:24]
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| Lovely as ever on 08:02 - Aug 4 with 1378 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Genuine question 80s Boy, and I apologise if I am totally off target, but do you post as anyone else on here?
Agree that advert is rank. | | | |
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