| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night 09:41 - Aug 12 with 7460 views | nix |
https://www.qpr.co.uk/videos/interviews/warburton-on-leyton-orient-win-110821/
Definitely a tougher Warbs than we're used to. I think he was disappointed that the second string didn't really step up. Bettache was the only one that got any praise. Although I thought Archer could have had a shout out.
Was v disappointed with Adomah. I'd called to see more of him before this match but he looked a bit unfit and did some sloppy passes. Good reminder that Warbs sees them day in day out in training and knows who can last the 90 minutes.
I think he'd have like to have brought other players on but with our crazy schedule of the next two weeks he had to protect them. Obviously furious with the scheduling.
Thoughts?
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| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 12:58 - Aug 12 with 1614 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 10:06 - Aug 12 by stevec |
Ultimately, the reserves are reserves for a reason. You would like to see a few stake a claim but they’re probably just not up to it.
There’s also the issue of the first teamers who do play. Think their performances, although still decent, are never quite at the same level when surrounded by reserve players.
Going back to days gone by, you didn’t have this issue to such a degree as first team players, if fit, played in any competitive match.
Wonder if it’s a bit of a myth this idea players need to be constantly rested. In a truncated last season, teams got through playing more often by training a little less. Maybe we should stick with the 5 subs rule, there is an advantage to better squads but it might also alleviate Warbs concern about resting. I’d prefer 3 games of 60 minutes from Charlie say, than 2 games of 90 and then missing an entire game.
Also seems as many injuries get picked up in training as actual matches. |
You are harking back to the days of the dinosaurs. Monitoring and sports science tells them exactly how much performance drops off and who needs rest when. Which is why Warbs is upset about the schedule. He knows the likely consequences. |  | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 13:59 - Aug 12 with 1531 views | CamberleyR |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 12:58 - Aug 12 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
You are harking back to the days of the dinosaurs. Monitoring and sports science tells them exactly how much performance drops off and who needs rest when. Which is why Warbs is upset about the schedule. He knows the likely consequences. |
True. Much as we all like to hark back to the days when Villa won the title playing only fourteen players and the Leeds & Liverpool teams of the 70s playing 60-70 games a season, we don't know how many of those players in those days were injected up to the eyeballs with pain killers to get them through games, probably a fair few I'd wager.
In fact it reminds me of the story when Trevor Francis first went to Nottingham Forest and he was in the treatment room and one of the other players said to him was he being looked after. He said "Yes, they've just given me a cortisone injection". The other player said "You lucky sod, all I got was a Ford Escort!"
Coat has been fetched. |  |
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| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 14:26 - Aug 12 with 1459 views | Northernr |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 12:58 - Aug 12 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
You are harking back to the days of the dinosaurs. Monitoring and sports science tells them exactly how much performance drops off and who needs rest when. Which is why Warbs is upset about the schedule. He knows the likely consequences. |
And, so far, touch wood, keeping the players on the pitch has been one of the key strengths of this regime. |  | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 14:33 - Aug 12 with 1444 views | PinnerPaul |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 09:59 - Aug 12 by londonscottish |
He's fuming about the scheduling and rightly so. Can't actually get the full squad training before Hull.
Also, not pulling any punches about that sloppy second half. Apart from the praise for Bettache and Dozell (& the pen takers) we wasn't having it, was he? |
I'm already bored by yet another moan about the schedule.
Its 46 games, 2 cup competitions, home and away fixtures, there will injury and illness and Sky who pay a hefty rights fee will move games.
What's new/unexpected/different about any of that?
As for Weds away then Sat home 'early' - do those 2 1/2 hours we 'lose' on Saturday make that much difference?
If they do, surely we have an advantage as we get 2 1/2 hours 'extra' before our game after Barnsley? | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 14:37 - Aug 12 with 1430 views | PinnerPaul |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 11:27 - Aug 12 by Northernr |
They hide behind this idea that it's a computer, it's random.
And yet Sky somehow magically always end up with their DERBY DAY SUNDAY where all the local derbies are miraculously on the same day.
And yet Shaun Harvey says one of his big ideas was your furthest away games should be midweek so more people can go to the derbies at the weekend (fcking ball bag).
And yet we can make requests like not to play at home Notting Hill Carnival day.
So it's not random at all. And yet somebody somewhere thinks it's a good idea for QPR to start with Millwall, on a saturday, opening day, after 18 months locked down, then not a week and a half later have to go to Middlesbrough on a Wednesday. |
We're going to have to disagree here - but why can't we travel to Middlesbrough, 'only' 10 days after playing Millwall?
I'm genuinely puzzled by what the two games have to do with each other - fixture 'congestion' wise? | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 14:48 - Aug 12 with 1408 views | daveB |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 14:33 - Aug 12 by PinnerPaul |
I'm already bored by yet another moan about the schedule.
Its 46 games, 2 cup competitions, home and away fixtures, there will injury and illness and Sky who pay a hefty rights fee will move games.
What's new/unexpected/different about any of that?
As for Weds away then Sat home 'early' - do those 2 1/2 hours we 'lose' on Saturday make that much difference?
If they do, surely we have an advantage as we get 2 1/2 hours 'extra' before our game after Barnsley? |
It's about player recovery and with a small squad he is obviously worried about injuries. He has a point about these games, the Boro game could have been played on Tuesday for instance to give more recovery time. |  | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:07 - Aug 12 with 1368 views | CamberleyR |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 14:37 - Aug 12 by PinnerPaul |
We're going to have to disagree here - but why can't we travel to Middlesbrough, 'only' 10 days after playing Millwall?
I'm genuinely puzzled by what the two games have to do with each other - fixture 'congestion' wise? |
Because as Warbs says, they aren't going to be able to do any work on the training pitch because of the journeys involved. Middlesbrough is the furthest journey for us in the calendar. A 500 mile round trip getting back in the early hours of Thursday morning takes two days out of the training schedule.
No one is moaning about the schedule, just the scheduling of certain very long away trips and the travelling involved, especially as the Boro game will follow a similar lengthy round trip to Hull. | |
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| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:13 - Aug 12 with 1349 views | PinnerPaul |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 14:48 - Aug 12 by daveB |
It's about player recovery and with a small squad he is obviously worried about injuries. He has a point about these games, the Boro game could have been played on Tuesday for instance to give more recovery time. |
Weds/Saturday - is that really a reason to moan?
After that game we don't leave London until the 11th September! and then only to travel all the way to Reading - unfair to other teams no?
Bet he or Paul Morrisey don't mention the 'kind' schedule then! | | | |
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| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:15 - Aug 12 with 1339 views | PinnerPaul |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:07 - Aug 12 by CamberleyR |
Because as Warbs says, they aren't going to be able to do any work on the training pitch because of the journeys involved. Middlesbrough is the furthest journey for us in the calendar. A 500 mile round trip getting back in the early hours of Thursday morning takes two days out of the training schedule.
No one is moaning about the schedule, just the scheduling of certain very long away trips and the travelling involved, especially as the Boro game will follow a similar lengthy round trip to Hull. |
See my point above about our schedule after Boro, plus given our location, no way are we the most travelled team, others will travel far more.
He IS moaning about the schedule! | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:19 - Aug 12 with 1325 views | daveB |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:13 - Aug 12 by PinnerPaul |
Weds/Saturday - is that really a reason to moan?
After that game we don't leave London until the 11th September! and then only to travel all the way to Reading - unfair to other teams no?
Bet he or Paul Morrisey don't mention the 'kind' schedule then! |
I can see where he is coming from, it's a valid compliant.
You know full well there is an international break in those dates you mention which is why no one will be travelling much in that time. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:30 - Aug 12 with 1295 views | PinnerPaul |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:19 - Aug 12 by daveB |
I can see where he is coming from, it's a valid compliant.
You know full well there is an international break in those dates you mention which is why no one will be travelling much in that time. |
Two consecutive home games and a home cup draw also have a bit to do with it Dave - come on! Not everyone can have 2 consecutive home games on those 2 weeks!
Our next two aways are Reading and Bournemouth - both not far - stretching a point, I suppose you could say one of those could have swapped for Hull or Boro, but then we do get the 2 consecutive home games.
We're going to have good/bad weeks travelling, not sure its something MW has to mention, which you have to admit he does, rather a lot. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:31 - Aug 12 with 1292 views | Myke |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 10:01 - Aug 12 by Northernr |
I thought Ball made a deteriorating situation considerably worse when he came on. And taking a centre half off for Kelman did nobody any good, we hadn't been in their final third for a long time by that point so Kelman once again had nothing to go on, and it took a body away from the defence just as they were starting to bang on the door.
I bet he was angry. He's spent all summer pressing the need to be ruthless, and then once again has to watch us piss all over a team for 40 minutes scoring only once, and then end up a right rabble clinging onto a draw through the second half. |
Not sure how you can reach that conclusion Clive; Orient stopped playing 'through ' us when Ball came on. My understanding of the Kellman/Barbet sub was that Kakay moved to the right of the 3 CBs and Thomas went right wing back. So it should not have disrupted us that much.The biggest problem was Dozzell and Bettache ceded centre mid and then they targeted our left side with the two lads playing out of position | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:36 - Aug 12 with 1276 views | PinnerPaul |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:30 - Aug 12 by PinnerPaul |
Two consecutive home games and a home cup draw also have a bit to do with it Dave - come on! Not everyone can have 2 consecutive home games on those 2 weeks!
Our next two aways are Reading and Bournemouth - both not far - stretching a point, I suppose you could say one of those could have swapped for Hull or Boro, but then we do get the 2 consecutive home games.
We're going to have good/bad weeks travelling, not sure its something MW has to mention, which you have to admit he does, rather a lot. |
Last one promise
While we are enjoying 2 home games Blackpool have to come down to Bournemouth and then 7 days later, come down again to Millwall. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:01 - Aug 12 with 1236 views | GloryHunter |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:07 - Aug 12 by CamberleyR |
Because as Warbs says, they aren't going to be able to do any work on the training pitch because of the journeys involved. Middlesbrough is the furthest journey for us in the calendar. A 500 mile round trip getting back in the early hours of Thursday morning takes two days out of the training schedule.
No one is moaning about the schedule, just the scheduling of certain very long away trips and the travelling involved, especially as the Boro game will follow a similar lengthy round trip to Hull. |
I thought the team travelled to the north-east games by East Coast Mainline train these days? Just over two hours to Darlington, then coach to 'Boro. Leave London early afternoon, play match, coach home, in bed by 3am. That's only 12 hours away, not two days. |  | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:12 - Aug 12 with 1223 views | CamberleyR |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:01 - Aug 12 by GloryHunter |
I thought the team travelled to the north-east games by East Coast Mainline train these days? Just over two hours to Darlington, then coach to 'Boro. Leave London early afternoon, play match, coach home, in bed by 3am. That's only 12 hours away, not two days. |
Where did I say two days away? I said it would take two potential training days out of the schedule, the Tuesday before the game and the following day after the game, therefore Warbs won't have much time on the training pitch. I very much doubt they would travel to the furthest away venue in the division on the day of the match. | |
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| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:13 - Aug 12 with 1221 views | Northernr |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:31 - Aug 12 by Myke |
Not sure how you can reach that conclusion Clive; Orient stopped playing 'through ' us when Ball came on. My understanding of the Kellman/Barbet sub was that Kakay moved to the right of the 3 CBs and Thomas went right wing back. So it should not have disrupted us that much.The biggest problem was Dozzell and Bettache ceded centre mid and then they targeted our left side with the two lads playing out of position |
They don't have to play through us when Ball does it for them. Literally the first thing he did was pass the ball straight to them allowing Drinan to cut in and hit one that looked dangerous from where we were sitting but hit an offside Orient player before it reached the goal. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:42 - Aug 12 with 1138 views | daveB |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:30 - Aug 12 by PinnerPaul |
Two consecutive home games and a home cup draw also have a bit to do with it Dave - come on! Not everyone can have 2 consecutive home games on those 2 weeks!
Our next two aways are Reading and Bournemouth - both not far - stretching a point, I suppose you could say one of those could have swapped for Hull or Boro, but then we do get the 2 consecutive home games.
We're going to have good/bad weeks travelling, not sure its something MW has to mention, which you have to admit he does, rather a lot. |
It all seems avoidable to me, it will happen to all clubs of course but the EFL could do a lot more to help clubs | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:43 - Aug 12 with 1132 views | PinnerPaul |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:42 - Aug 12 by daveB |
It all seems avoidable to me, it will happen to all clubs of course but the EFL could do a lot more to help clubs |
Fair enough | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:00 - Aug 12 with 1099 views | terryb |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 12:09 - Aug 12 by simmo |
Moving to a back 4 doesn't work for us and when we did the same against Cambridge we looked considrably worse, we lose all positioning and structure. After half time Orient pressed us higher and stopped the possession in our own half, they were organised and balanced as you expect from a Jackett team, but our reaction to that was to lose a passing option in our back half and nobody was showing enough in MF or up top.
Kelman for Barbet only really made sense in as much as Barbet got a rest, but Kelman constantly wants to play on the shoulder and Dykes was trying to do similar, so we weren't building anything. Ball coming in definitely didn't help, he was assertive and in the thick of everything, but struggled with the ball as usual and Warburton spent 10mins just shouting directly at him to move him around the pitch.
The shift in mentality to a dominant team that wins games is a big removal from a lot of years and without the likes of Charlie, Stef, etc on the pitch, we need to get more ruthless with maintaining that edge and taking results. |
Did we move to a back four?
I assumed we would be when Barbet went off, but Odubajo certainly didn't play as a left back! I thought, although it was hard to decide for definite, that Kakay was moved into a back three with Albert & Moses as wing backs.
Either way, it didn't work! | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:00 - Aug 12 with 1097 views | QPROslo |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:12 - Aug 12 by CamberleyR |
Where did I say two days away? I said it would take two potential training days out of the schedule, the Tuesday before the game and the following day after the game, therefore Warbs won't have much time on the training pitch. I very much doubt they would travel to the furthest away venue in the division on the day of the match. |
Can't they stay in the NE for the Hull and Boro games, and find somewhere to stay and train up there, these days? Would save some travel time. Or is Covid and/or the cost making that not an option. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:04 - Aug 12 with 1088 views | terryb |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:31 - Aug 12 by Myke |
Not sure how you can reach that conclusion Clive; Orient stopped playing 'through ' us when Ball came on. My understanding of the Kellman/Barbet sub was that Kakay moved to the right of the 3 CBs and Thomas went right wing back. So it should not have disrupted us that much.The biggest problem was Dozzell and Bettache ceded centre mid and then they targeted our left side with the two lads playing out of position |
I thought that Ball was absymal last night apart from his penalty!
I can't remember him retaining pocession once & he set up at least two very presentable chances to Orient. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:09 - Aug 12 with 1068 views | daveB |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:00 - Aug 12 by terryb |
Did we move to a back four?
I assumed we would be when Barbet went off, but Odubajo certainly didn't play as a left back! I thought, although it was hard to decide for definite, that Kakay was moved into a back three with Albert & Moses as wing backs.
Either way, it didn't work! |
looked to me that we went with Moses and Albert as wing backs and then switched them in the last 10 mins so Albert was on the left | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:14 - Aug 12 with 1051 views | terryb |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 15:13 - Aug 12 by PinnerPaul |
Weds/Saturday - is that really a reason to moan?
After that game we don't leave London until the 11th September! and then only to travel all the way to Reading - unfair to other teams no?
Bet he or Paul Morrisey don't mention the 'kind' schedule then! |
I thought that Mark Warburton was having a pop at Sky. He made sure he mentioned them when they interviewed him!
Without their scheduling I think we would have played Orient on Tuesday, giving more time for preparation for the Hull game. It would also have been far better to have a 3.00pm kick off against Barnsley rather than returning from the north before sunrise on Thursday & only having the Friday to regroup.
However, I do agree that it is not helpful when he brings the subject of fixtures up. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:57 - Aug 12 with 975 views | Myke |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 17:00 - Aug 12 by terryb |
Did we move to a back four?
I assumed we would be when Barbet went off, but Odubajo certainly didn't play as a left back! I thought, although it was hard to decide for definite, that Kakay was moved into a back three with Albert & Moses as wing backs.
Either way, it didn't work! |
You are right about Kakay but it was Thomas not Adomah who went RWB. Adomah was meant to be in Thomas's advanced midfield position but ended up on the left wing. So with all our lefties we ended with 3 right footed players on the left. | | | |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 18:07 - Aug 12 with 953 views | Myke |
| Interesting interview with the gaffer about last night on 16:13 - Aug 12 by Northernr |
They don't have to play through us when Ball does it for them. Literally the first thing he did was pass the ball straight to them allowing Drinan to cut in and hit one that looked dangerous from where we were sitting but hit an offside Orient player before it reached the goal. |
Yes 1 misplaced pass straight after coming on how often have you seen early passes going astray from better players than Ball - you can't judge him on that. Overall their midfield dominance was reduced which coupledwith our lack of threat going forward is the reason why the game petered out for the last few minutes. If he had come on a bit earlier Dozzell might have started getting on the ball again in the way he started the game | | | |
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