| The King's birds match thread 13:11 - Jan 21 with 20432 views | connell10 |
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| The King's birds match thread on 20:57 - Jan 21 with 1544 views | Hunterhoop |
| The King's birds match thread on 20:30 - Jan 21 by traininvain |
Chair wasn’t at his best and I agree that he needs to stop trying to shoot when it’s clearly not on.
But it’s a weird flex to single him out when it was his work rate that put an absolute sitter on a plate for Lowe to kill the game.
Chair is really the least of our problems. |
Chair works very hard. He did today. He is certainly not the problem in himself, and he can certainly be part of the solution.
But he was very poor in possession today. First half: 2 shots blocked when it was never on and 3 crosses to the first man. If Kakay had that output…
Chair lost possession a lot today, took a dreadful set piece from the 6 yard box (I’ve seen a reply from behind the goal…3 players were behind it), and did not score or create a goal against a weak side. Dykes had an assist,
Chair is clearly good but he is not as good as some fans think and he’s not as good as he thinks he is. Make the ball do the hard work… |  | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 21:08 - Jan 21 with 1492 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The King's birds match thread on 17:16 - Jan 21 by paulparker |
Totally agree and I’m glad someone has come on here and said it
To casual and that near fcuk up on the byline was Sunday league stuff , Manning had Kakay on toast second half with Tim offering no help at all , feel sorry for field as he is always doing the job for two |
Not much in it between Tim and Dozzell. Tim infuriates with his lack of marking and failure to track runners, but is capable of carrying the ball well in forward. Dozzell has a nice left foot but uses more often than not to play the safe pass back.
Neither of them provide any grit in midfield, which we were so clearly lacking today. We gave Swansea so much time and space on the ball in that second half without putting a foot in, it was obvious the goal would come.
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| The King's birds match thread on 21:10 - Jan 21 with 1485 views | traininvain |
| The King's birds match thread on 20:57 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Chair works very hard. He did today. He is certainly not the problem in himself, and he can certainly be part of the solution.
But he was very poor in possession today. First half: 2 shots blocked when it was never on and 3 crosses to the first man. If Kakay had that output…
Chair lost possession a lot today, took a dreadful set piece from the 6 yard box (I’ve seen a reply from behind the goal…3 players were behind it), and did not score or create a goal against a weak side. Dykes had an assist,
Chair is clearly good but he is not as good as some fans think and he’s not as good as he thinks he is. Make the ball do the hard work… |
I agree that Chair wasn’t at his best today but the only reason he didn’t have a hand in a goal is because Lowe couldn’t finish his dinner in a one on one with their keeper.
Even when Chair isn’t playing well he never hides and he works hard enough to help the team create opportunities like Lowe’s sitter. If only we could say the same about the rest of them hence why I think he’s the least of our problems.
Re your last paragraph, other Championship footballers who actually play against him rate Chair as one of the best players in the division. That’s not to say he’s perfect but it’s contrary to your suggestion that he’s overrated by some of our fans. |  | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 21:21 - Jan 21 with 1451 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The King's birds match thread on 20:57 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Chair works very hard. He did today. He is certainly not the problem in himself, and he can certainly be part of the solution.
But he was very poor in possession today. First half: 2 shots blocked when it was never on and 3 crosses to the first man. If Kakay had that output…
Chair lost possession a lot today, took a dreadful set piece from the 6 yard box (I’ve seen a reply from behind the goal…3 players were behind it), and did not score or create a goal against a weak side. Dykes had an assist,
Chair is clearly good but he is not as good as some fans think and he’s not as good as he thinks he is. Make the ball do the hard work… |
Would be the first player on my team sheet every day of week. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 21:50 - Jan 21 with 1394 views | terryb |
I only saw the Sheffield United match on Sky, so IMO that was the best I've seen us play in person for quite a few months.
Gazza & Dammo, in particular, won't like it, but we lost control after Dykes had to go off. He was outstanding today & playing Lowe behind him looked an interesting experiment. They seemed to understand the other players awareness & that was lost when Chair & Lowe fulfilled those positions.
Roberts also seems to be playing with more energy in the last two weeks & is at last contributing. More of the same please Rangers. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 22:05 - Jan 21 with 1341 views | ParkRoyalR |
| The King's birds match thread on 21:10 - Jan 21 by traininvain |
I agree that Chair wasn’t at his best today but the only reason he didn’t have a hand in a goal is because Lowe couldn’t finish his dinner in a one on one with their keeper.
Even when Chair isn’t playing well he never hides and he works hard enough to help the team create opportunities like Lowe’s sitter. If only we could say the same about the rest of them hence why I think he’s the least of our problems.
Re your last paragraph, other Championship footballers who actually play against him rate Chair as one of the best players in the division. That’s not to say he’s perfect but it’s contrary to your suggestion that he’s overrated by some of our fans. |
Lowe couldn't finish his dinner is harsh after his superb finish for his goal and although Chair put the Keeper under pressure the Keeper still had time to pick his pass but Lowe had anticipated it and cut it out,
I get some of our fans rate Chair very highly as I do his work-rate but Critchley expressed his frustration post match about how we butchered too many counter-attack opportunities. In my opinion he is referring to Chair here, who squandered 4 in the 1st Half.
The pre-match preview spoke about the stifling of our attack and Chair did this today.
Of all his good possession and set pieces I can recall one good corner and that run across the box to put the Keeper under the pressure and that's a very poor return.
That said, if Roberts had Chairs work-rate and desire we likely dont concede today and hold on for 3 points. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 22:32 - Jan 21 with 1284 views | Hunterhoop |
| The King's birds match thread on 21:10 - Jan 21 by traininvain |
I agree that Chair wasn’t at his best today but the only reason he didn’t have a hand in a goal is because Lowe couldn’t finish his dinner in a one on one with their keeper.
Even when Chair isn’t playing well he never hides and he works hard enough to help the team create opportunities like Lowe’s sitter. If only we could say the same about the rest of them hence why I think he’s the least of our problems.
Re your last paragraph, other Championship footballers who actually play against him rate Chair as one of the best players in the division. That’s not to say he’s perfect but it’s contrary to your suggestion that he’s overrated by some of our fans. |
Chair is a really good player. I get why other players (only one publicly) rate him highly.
I simply think his output should be a lot higher given how much ball we give him when attacking and how much technical ability he has. It is infuriating. His work rate I respect,
Unlike Roberts…or Willock at the minute! | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 22:46 - Jan 21 with 1246 views | traininvain |
| The King's birds match thread on 22:32 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Chair is a really good player. I get why other players (only one publicly) rate him highly.
I simply think his output should be a lot higher given how much ball we give him when attacking and how much technical ability he has. It is infuriating. His work rate I respect,
Unlike Roberts…or Willock at the minute! |
Maybe but he’s joint second in the league with six assists and top for chances created.
According to the BBC, Chair’s created 66 chances this season with an average of 2.54 chances created per 90 minutes. Oliver Norwood is next on the list with 55 chances created and an average of 1.96 per game.
I’d still like to see him do better but like I say, I think he’s the least of our problems as a team. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 22:54]
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| The King's birds match thread on 23:09 - Jan 21 with 1168 views | daveB |
| The King's birds match thread on 22:32 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Chair is a really good player. I get why other players (only one publicly) rate him highly.
I simply think his output should be a lot higher given how much ball we give him when attacking and how much technical ability he has. It is infuriating. His work rate I respect,
Unlike Roberts…or Willock at the minute! |
he's excellent just not playing well at the moment though |  | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:16 - Jan 21 with 1124 views | Damo1962 |
| The King's birds match thread on 21:50 - Jan 21 by terryb |
I only saw the Sheffield United match on Sky, so IMO that was the best I've seen us play in person for quite a few months.
Gazza & Dammo, in particular, won't like it, but we lost control after Dykes had to go off. He was outstanding today & playing Lowe behind him looked an interesting experiment. They seemed to understand the other players awareness & that was lost when Chair & Lowe fulfilled those positions.
Roberts also seems to be playing with more energy in the last two weeks & is at last contributing. More of the same please Rangers. |
I said we were better with Dykes on. Why did he go off anyway? | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:24 - Jan 21 with 1112 views | ted_hendrix |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:09 - Jan 21 by daveB |
he's excellent just not playing well at the moment though |
I wonder why, maybe the January transfer window Is affecting him?
Who knows?
The sooner they stop this nonsense every January the bloody better, I'm not saying that's the reason cos I don't know. |  |
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| The King's birds match thread on 23:33 - Jan 21 with 1081 views | nix |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:16 - Jan 21 by Damo1962 |
I said we were better with Dykes on. Why did he go off anyway? |
Stomach upset. He was sick at half time but wanted to play on. |  | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:35 - Jan 21 with 1064 views | Hunterhoop |
| The King's birds match thread on 22:46 - Jan 21 by traininvain |
Maybe but he’s joint second in the league with six assists and top for chances created.
According to the BBC, Chair’s created 66 chances this season with an average of 2.54 chances created per 90 minutes. Oliver Norwood is next on the list with 55 chances created and an average of 1.96 per game.
I’d still like to see him do better but like I say, I think he’s the least of our problems as a team. [Post edited 21 Jan 2023 22:54]
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Like I say, he’s a good player. I just think those stats are one dimensional.
How do you factor in amount of possession they have in the final 3rd? That’s the sum total from which you calculate real chance creation compared to others.
What about how many passes are played to him? If disproportionately high I’d expect him to create far more than anyone else.
And, finally, those stats are YTD. He was leading them only a couple of months ago, so they aren’t representative of existing performance.
Look, I’m not saying he is rubbish or should be dropped. I just think he, for his own ability, should be playing a lot better. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:35 - Jan 21 with 1045 views | Damo1962 |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:33 - Jan 21 by nix |
Stomach upset. He was sick at half time but wanted to play on. |
Thanks Nix. One thing I will say about Dykes...is that he isn't a sick-note. Fair play to him for wanting to carry on. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:49 - Jan 21 with 1039 views | nix |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:35 - Jan 21 by Damo1962 |
Thanks Nix. One thing I will say about Dykes...is that he isn't a sick-note. Fair play to him for wanting to carry on. |
That's one of the reasons I usually defend him. Alongside Field and Dunne he generally seems to be one of our most wholehearted players. That run he did from midfield to defence when a pass was misplaced was seriously committed to the cause, especially when he was under the weather. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:59 - Jan 21 with 1018 views | traininvain |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:35 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Like I say, he’s a good player. I just think those stats are one dimensional.
How do you factor in amount of possession they have in the final 3rd? That’s the sum total from which you calculate real chance creation compared to others.
What about how many passes are played to him? If disproportionately high I’d expect him to create far more than anyone else.
And, finally, those stats are YTD. He was leading them only a couple of months ago, so they aren’t representative of existing performance.
Look, I’m not saying he is rubbish or should be dropped. I just think he, for his own ability, should be playing a lot better. |
We’re 6th in the league for possession with an average of 52.5% and seventh in terms of touches in the attacking third. Yet Chair’s created the most chances in the division so it’s not difficult to see why he’s highly rated.
I totally agree that he’s not been at his best recently (have any of our players?) and today certainly wasn’t one of his better performances. But I think it’s important to keep things in perspective and remind ourselves that Chair is statistically one of the most creative players in the league.
And he cares about QPR, almost too much hence why he often tries to do too much when the chips are down. I’m sure he’ll be back on form soon enough. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 07:59 - Jan 22 with 882 views | Hunterhoop |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:59 - Jan 21 by traininvain |
We’re 6th in the league for possession with an average of 52.5% and seventh in terms of touches in the attacking third. Yet Chair’s created the most chances in the division so it’s not difficult to see why he’s highly rated.
I totally agree that he’s not been at his best recently (have any of our players?) and today certainly wasn’t one of his better performances. But I think it’s important to keep things in perspective and remind ourselves that Chair is statistically one of the most creative players in the league.
And he cares about QPR, almost too much hence why he often tries to do too much when the chips are down. I’m sure he’ll be back on form soon enough. |
I agree with that. He certainly cares, unlike one or two others! I just think there’s so much more that could come from him. His ceiling is much higher than his current performances. That’s why I find him frustrating. He has all the technical ability to be far too good for this league and the players we come up against, but decision making and currently his final ball are holding that back. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 09:16 - Jan 22 with 822 views | ParkRoyalR |
| The King's birds match thread on 23:59 - Jan 21 by traininvain |
We’re 6th in the league for possession with an average of 52.5% and seventh in terms of touches in the attacking third. Yet Chair’s created the most chances in the division so it’s not difficult to see why he’s highly rated.
I totally agree that he’s not been at his best recently (have any of our players?) and today certainly wasn’t one of his better performances. But I think it’s important to keep things in perspective and remind ourselves that Chair is statistically one of the most creative players in the league.
And he cares about QPR, almost too much hence why he often tries to do too much when the chips are down. I’m sure he’ll be back on form soon enough. |
Not loading up on Chair after the shift he put in yesterday but I'm sceptical of stats with exception of the obvious one, what does the market value the player at, and not being able to rectify the fundamental head-down flaw in his game, which imo is why he takes too many touches.
Warnock highlighted this with Chair last week, Critchley called out wasting good counter-attack opportunities yesterday which even Chairs biggest fans would admit that was directed his way yesterday.
52.5% stat is explained by our slow play between the Centre Halves, seventh in terms of touches in attacking third is down to Chair taking 5 or 6 touches when Eze would take 1 or 2, arguably 3 of the 6 assists are down to Willock taking a return pass where the Xg would be close to zero but he scored one of his early season wonder goals.
This is why imo statistics sometimes don't correlate with what you watch every week and Chair from what I watch does not create the number of chances or assists he should given where he receives the ball and 90% slows down our attacks by taking too many touches. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 09:54 - Jan 22 with 768 views | derbyhoop |
We were very good for 70 minutes but many players looked out on their feet in last 20. Dykes' efforts in closing down weren't matched by Willock. Lowe was blowing out of his ass and Roberts was hiding.
Sure, Lowe missed 2 good chances but, I thought, Chair was biggest culprit in terms of wrong options too many times. Culminating in the FK slammed into a wall of charging defenders. |  |
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| The King's birds match thread on 10:15 - Jan 22 with 746 views | traininvain |
| The King's birds match thread on 09:16 - Jan 22 by ParkRoyalR |
Not loading up on Chair after the shift he put in yesterday but I'm sceptical of stats with exception of the obvious one, what does the market value the player at, and not being able to rectify the fundamental head-down flaw in his game, which imo is why he takes too many touches.
Warnock highlighted this with Chair last week, Critchley called out wasting good counter-attack opportunities yesterday which even Chairs biggest fans would admit that was directed his way yesterday.
52.5% stat is explained by our slow play between the Centre Halves, seventh in terms of touches in attacking third is down to Chair taking 5 or 6 touches when Eze would take 1 or 2, arguably 3 of the 6 assists are down to Willock taking a return pass where the Xg would be close to zero but he scored one of his early season wonder goals.
This is why imo statistics sometimes don't correlate with what you watch every week and Chair from what I watch does not create the number of chances or assists he should given where he receives the ball and 90% slows down our attacks by taking too many touches. |
Warnock was actually very positive about Chair during the Sheff Utd game and called him one of the best attacking players in the league. This is borne out in the stats whether you choose to accept them or not.
Chair’s not perfect (he wouldn’t be playing for QPR if he was!) but statistically he’s one of the most creative players in the division alongside the likes of Norwood (who labelled Chair the best player in the league), Swift, Giles etc.
And Critchley could’ve been talking about any of our attacking players yesterday. Lowe missed a couple of sitters whilst Roberts and Willock didn’t really create much. I think Critchley was bemoaning our wastefulness in attack generally rather than criticising one player but I suppose we all interpret things differently.
Anyway, I agree that Chair had an off day but he remains our most potent attacking player with 10 goal contributions so far this season which is why I think he deserves to be cut some slack. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 11:18 - Jan 22 with 699 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The King's birds match thread on 09:54 - Jan 22 by derbyhoop |
We were very good for 70 minutes but many players looked out on their feet in last 20. Dykes' efforts in closing down weren't matched by Willock. Lowe was blowing out of his ass and Roberts was hiding.
Sure, Lowe missed 2 good chances but, I thought, Chair was biggest culprit in terms of wrong options too many times. Culminating in the FK slammed into a wall of charging defenders. |
How exactly would you have executed the shot bypassing 8 defenders 4 yards in front of you? | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 11:23 - Jan 22 with 682 views | ParkRoyalR |
| The King's birds match thread on 11:18 - Jan 22 by Burnleyhoop |
How exactly would you have executed the shot bypassing 8 defenders 4 yards in front of you? |
I thought as a team we showed our lack of grey-matter on this one,
We could have set up a couple of decoys, a rugby union style line which stretched the defenders as we could have rolled along the line, the first player dummies whatever,
Instead we stood 3 players over the ball and it was quite obvious the starting point for the shot, hence it was easily smothered. | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 11:53 - Jan 22 with 624 views | Damo1962 |
| The King's birds match thread on 11:23 - Jan 22 by ParkRoyalR |
I thought as a team we showed our lack of grey-matter on this one,
We could have set up a couple of decoys, a rugby union style line which stretched the defenders as we could have rolled along the line, the first player dummies whatever,
Instead we stood 3 players over the ball and it was quite obvious the starting point for the shot, hence it was easily smothered. |
Critchley could do worse than look at some of Venables free kicks at QPR - both as a player, and a manager. You never quite knew what was coming 😎 | | | |
| The King's birds match thread on 11:58 - Jan 22 with 625 views | Northolt_Rs |
| The King's birds match thread on 10:15 - Jan 22 by traininvain |
Warnock was actually very positive about Chair during the Sheff Utd game and called him one of the best attacking players in the league. This is borne out in the stats whether you choose to accept them or not.
Chair’s not perfect (he wouldn’t be playing for QPR if he was!) but statistically he’s one of the most creative players in the division alongside the likes of Norwood (who labelled Chair the best player in the league), Swift, Giles etc.
And Critchley could’ve been talking about any of our attacking players yesterday. Lowe missed a couple of sitters whilst Roberts and Willock didn’t really create much. I think Critchley was bemoaning our wastefulness in attack generally rather than criticising one player but I suppose we all interpret things differently.
Anyway, I agree that Chair had an off day but he remains our most potent attacking player with 10 goal contributions so far this season which is why I think he deserves to be cut some slack. |
The frustration with Chair is all around the player he could and should be…. He’s at a different level to most of our team but…..just falls short of being something really, really special. I think he could be THAT player for us….our new Taarabt. No doubt we are a much poorer side when Illy doesn’t play. He never hides, ever, unlike Roberts yesterday who totally phoned it in. It was like playing with 10, and Willock….what on Earth has happened to our beloved Chris? He’s a shadow of the man we all know and adore.
Re: the indirect free kick, why didn’t Lyndon step up to take it? He desperately needs a goal - I thought it was the perfect opportunity for him to blast one into the top corner. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 12:00]
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| The King's birds match thread on 13:05 - Jan 22 with 568 views | 89_50 |
Some thoughts on a (more sober) reflection of yesterday.
Dickie's best game for a while. A couple of mistakes, but largely thought he was good. So nice to see him stride forward with the ball on the occasions he did, and break the attacking line. Where has this been?
Lowe - excellent, took his goal really well. Of all of his chances, that was probably the most difficult to finish. Of course, he should have had at least one more, but he looked like our most dangerous attacking threat.
Dykes - I've given him stick before, but I can't fault the effectiveness yesterday. As part of that attacking four, he was a handful and playing alongside Lowe it looks like a promising partnership.
Tim - usual performance, some excellent touches and movement. But his quality really drops off a cliff when he's tired. Passes become underhit, tracking back stops almost entirely. I think we have to bear in mind this is a 19-year-old, who'd never played 90 mins of senior football before coming here. The intensity of the season is catching up with him big time. I'd imagine he'll be the one to drop out when Stef is fit.
Unfortunately, our real weak link was Oz, again. Like most people, I love that he's one of ours, and his attitude cannot be questioned, but his quality is very far below the standard required to be a middling Championship defender. Yes, he occasionally hits a great cross or takes on a player, but beyond that he's a body in a position. His header that turned the ball over for Swansea's equaliser was baffling, and he was chasing shadows throughout that whole move. The other players don't trust him, so will only pass when absolutely necessary. I just hope Laird's injury isn't too bad. |  | | |
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