| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? 13:02 - Feb 15 with 6191 views | Jules4367 |
Yes, I get that Critchley hasn't managed to get things in check but I can recall certain teachers at School would try to explain things to me and I just 'didn't get it!'! We have all been there in our lives.
I have jokingly (?) posted some fundamentals but, in all seriousness and after this ongoing appalling run, they do not (as a collective) seem to be doing anything different.
The attack is scared of shooting (but every game they practice and then failure to implement)
The passes go to the opponents or to no one.
Last night a clearance was heading for the centre circle in which stood a Sunderland player and no one challenged him and he was able to collect the ball whilst Rangers players actually stood and watched.
So today.... are they actually running through player by player....almost as a self help group.....Hello I'm a Rangers player and this is what I do wrong!
Does this happen or do they just think they are good and doing well?
I just don't know!
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:49 - Feb 15 with 4037 views | themodfather |
you can't train out mistakes, like dropping the ball, a slip, etc
no excuses form doesn't lie. we are in a slump.
what did OLLY say i could fall in a barrel of teats and come up sucking the dummy!
heads dropped around 75 mins for me, the penalty miss hurt . | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:00 - Feb 16 with 3852 views | Bluce_Ree |
Imagine you're a player in the first team. Even if you decide, as a point of professional pride, to up your game and even lead by example, you need the other players to do their part. |  |
| Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:12 - Feb 16 with 3829 views | Northernr |
Whether they know or not, they do not care. |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:28 - Feb 16 with 3779 views | TheChef |
They're know what they're doing. It's a question of effort, if they tried for the full 90 minutes they might get a positive result.
The other night they only bothered trying for the first twenty minutes of each half. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:48 - Feb 16 with 3740 views | kropotkin41 |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:12 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
Whether they know or not, they do not care. |
And that means relegation as far as I can see. How do you coach caring back into a team that has fallen this low? If Critchley had put fire in their bellies and we we struggling that'd be one thing, a thing this isn't. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 09:56 - Feb 16 with 3721 views | colinallcars |
They've decided to quit while they're behind. |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:10 - Feb 16 with 3653 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
The lack of effort by certain players means we're starting with eight or nine players. I know football has changed since the 1970s/1980s but how many proper tackles are they putting in? That half-arsed wafting of a leg in the vague direction of their player as they speed past them really pisses me off. There was also a point on Tuesday when we were 1-0 down and starting an attack from our area and players were ambling up the pitch rather than busting a gut which particularly riled me. And then of course there are the sicknotes.
I think it's the lack of effort which ultimately pisses fans off more than anything and I'm pretty certain they know what they're doing, they just don't care. I read something yesterday which made sense - we've been talking about being a stepping stone to 'bigger things' and that culture has infested the club. Rather than concentrating on making the team successful, we're appealing to a selfish kind of player who thinks all he needs to do is put in a couple of decent performances for us on Sky and he'll be in the Premier League. Eze was an exception - likeable, talented and highly professional; he deserves everything that comes his way. What we have now are players who are lucky to be playing at a crappy Championship side yet think they're better than that. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:37 - Feb 16 with 3617 views | Juzzie |
This is not school. By now they are (or at least should be) trained & experienced athletes.
It's not about what they can & cannot do, it's about what they will or will not do.
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:38 - Feb 16 with 3608 views | Northernr |
When Critchley gets binned, and I do think that's when now, you watch what happens. First game after he's gone suddenly they'll be running about again. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:41 - Feb 16 with 3597 views | WokingR |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:38 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
When Critchley gets binned, and I do think that's when now, you watch what happens. First game after he's gone suddenly they'll be running about again. |
And they'll all looked shocked and hurt that they get booed for it. |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:11 - Feb 16 with 3543 views | kropotkin41 |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:38 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
When Critchley gets binned, and I do think that's when now, you watch what happens. First game after he's gone suddenly they'll be running about again. |
Sadly, and probably wrongly, that's an argument for Critchley's immediate binning then. Player power or definite relegation. | |
| ‘morbid curiosity about where this is all going’ |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:27 - Feb 16 with 3504 views | dmm |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 10:38 - Feb 16 by Northernr |
When Critchley gets binned, and I do think that's when now, you watch what happens. First game after he's gone suddenly they'll be running about again. |
Sorry if you've explained this elsewhere but do you believe they're not playing for Critchley and, if so, why? |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:35 - Feb 16 with 3491 views | colinallcars |
My mate who lives in Middlesborough just 'phoned me to say he's just seen a lorry delivering a cricket scoreboard to Middlesborough's stadium. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:37 - Feb 16 with 3477 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:11 - Feb 16 by kropotkin41 |
Sadly, and probably wrongly, that's an argument for Critchley's immediate binning then. Player power or definite relegation. |
We all know the ones who aren't trying. They won't be here next season, so I'd be reluctant to pull the trigger because of them. Not saying Critchley is the answer but I'm struggling to see what he can do with the mess he's inherited. We have players who have literally downed tools. | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:47 - Feb 16 with 3465 views | terryb |
The relegation in 2001 was during the 20 years that I only saw Rangers a couple of times a year, so I can't make comparisons. However, I remember reading that the side that season lacked fight & spirit, with Crouch being laughed at for caring that we were relegated.
Can any of you that were regulars then, please let me know if this season looks the same, worse, or better?
Not that this should affect any decision on keeping Critchley, changing manager made no difference to being relegated, but did we improve after Holloway replaced Francis? | | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 12:36 - Feb 16 with 3390 views | TheChef |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:47 - Feb 16 by terryb |
The relegation in 2001 was during the 20 years that I only saw Rangers a couple of times a year, so I can't make comparisons. However, I remember reading that the side that season lacked fight & spirit, with Crouch being laughed at for caring that we were relegated.
Can any of you that were regulars then, please let me know if this season looks the same, worse, or better?
Not that this should affect any decision on keeping Critchley, changing manager made no difference to being relegated, but did we improve after Holloway replaced Francis? |
I'd say that side was a fatal combination of not very good and not trying.
The current team are a lot better (look at earlier this season) but for whatever reason they're not trying. Arguably they haven't really tried since Beale had his head turned by Wolves.
I feel sorry for Critchley but ultimately he's the one who'll get the sack, while the players remain and might suddenly feel like trying once he's gone. Infuriating. | |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:08 - Feb 16 with 3342 views | E17hoop |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 12:36 - Feb 16 by TheChef |
I'd say that side was a fatal combination of not very good and not trying.
The current team are a lot better (look at earlier this season) but for whatever reason they're not trying. Arguably they haven't really tried since Beale had his head turned by Wolves.
I feel sorry for Critchley but ultimately he's the one who'll get the sack, while the players remain and might suddenly feel like trying once he's gone. Infuriating. |
One of the questions I ask people in organisations who they work for. The answers are always varied and will include:
Themselves
The organisation
Their team
Their manager
Their employees
Their shareholders
Their profession
Their wages
Their customers
It's HIGHLY unlikely you'll ever find someone who works for all of these. The only one people all relate to is themselves and how they value themselves. Their guide/mentor/catalyst who engaged them and brought out the best of them has now gone. For them to trust the new guy, they need to re-evaluate themselves and their relationship with the manager and, it's quite clear, that hasn't happened.
Leaving when and how he did, Beale put a bomb under this team and what we're seeing now is the effects of this still. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:21 - Feb 16 with 3284 views | Hayesender |
Most of them come across as a bunch of immature kids.
Bar Dunne, Paal, Field and Kakay, I wouldn't be sorry to see the back of any of the rest.
Yes I know Kakay isn't the best, but at least he trys, and that's all I'm asking for atm |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:36 - Feb 16 with 3242 views | QPR_Jim |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:11 - Feb 16 by kropotkin41 |
Sadly, and probably wrongly, that's an argument for Critchley's immediate binning then. Player power or definite relegation. |
Problem is, if you do that then you reinforce the message that they can do what they want, down tools etc. So it's only a matter of time before it happens again. We talk about setting standards at the club, but if the top brass do that, what chance would any new manager would be undermined before they even get here. |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:40 - Feb 16 with 3224 views | CamberleyR |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:47 - Feb 16 by terryb |
The relegation in 2001 was during the 20 years that I only saw Rangers a couple of times a year, so I can't make comparisons. However, I remember reading that the side that season lacked fight & spirit, with Crouch being laughed at for caring that we were relegated.
Can any of you that were regulars then, please let me know if this season looks the same, worse, or better?
Not that this should affect any decision on keeping Critchley, changing manager made no difference to being relegated, but did we improve after Holloway replaced Francis? |
No, we didn't improve. If anything we got worse. When Gerry resigned on 25th February we were fourth bottom on GD with 32 points from 33 games.
After Holloway took over we only won once more and ended second bottom with 40 points from 46 games. Although in his mitigation he did lose Carlisle and Langley to ACLs in his third match. |  |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:48 - Feb 16 with 3161 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 11:27 - Feb 16 by dmm |
Sorry if you've explained this elsewhere but do you believe they're not playing for Critchley and, if so, why? |
Take a look at any of the last 10 match reports. I think it's all in there. | |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:50 - Feb 16 with 3151 views | slmrstid |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:40 - Feb 16 by CamberleyR |
No, we didn't improve. If anything we got worse. When Gerry resigned on 25th February we were fourth bottom on GD with 32 points from 33 games.
After Holloway took over we only won once more and ended second bottom with 40 points from 46 games. Although in his mitigation he did lose Carlisle and Langley to ACLs in his third match. |
I've just had to look that season up on Wikipedia as I must admit I thought that Fulham match was January time under Francis. Clearly not!
This season at the minute is more reminding me of 97-98, where we had a decent first half of the season then utterly collapsed in the second half of it, random 5-0 win at home to Middlesbrough aside (hey we've got them this Saturday...)
That year we only just avoided it courtesy of Mr Pollock... |  | | |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:52 - Feb 16 with 3133 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:21 - Feb 16 by Hayesender |
Most of them come across as a bunch of immature kids.
Bar Dunne, Paal, Field and Kakay, I wouldn't be sorry to see the back of any of the rest.
Yes I know Kakay isn't the best, but at least he trys, and that's all I'm asking for atm |
I think the players sort themselves into a skills based hierarchy when there isnt a realisist or they would probably call him 'a bully' around to remind them skills are difficult to deploy under often encountered circumstances, like when we don't have the ball or when we do and one of our players decides he had enough sits down and fakes another injury. Or when one of your f**king leg is hanging off darling.
To many boys, not enough men. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 18:53]
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:58 - Feb 16 with 3103 views | R_from_afar |
What I'd like to happen is for the coaching team to sit them down and tell them they are going to meet some guests, then have a manager (ideally an old one of ours), a former or current player (again, ideally one who once wore the hoops), and a QPR fan who have all experienced relegation to the third tier tell them one after the other what it felt like and how it has affected them.
Never going to happen, of course. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 14:11 - Feb 16 with 3067 views | QPR_Jim |
| Honest Question: Do you believe that the players know what they are doing wrong? on 13:58 - Feb 16 by R_from_afar |
What I'd like to happen is for the coaching team to sit them down and tell them they are going to meet some guests, then have a manager (ideally an old one of ours), a former or current player (again, ideally one who once wore the hoops), and a QPR fan who have all experienced relegation to the third tier tell them one after the other what it felt like and how it has affected them.
Never going to happen, of course. |
I thought your guests were going to be brandishing baseball bats for a moment, but I guess your way could work too.
In all seriousness, I don't know how they think this plays out for their careers. Does Laird think he's going back to Man U and getting a chance in the first team after this? Roberts reckon that there's going to be a long list of people queuing up for him? Do either of them think that a bigger club would put up with their attitude. They're all obviously so much better than QPR (in their minds) but currently playing like League 1 players so what exactly do they expect their next career move to be? | | | |
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