| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 21:32 - Apr 8 with 4917 views | colinallcars |
Great stuff - thanks a million Clive.Some wonderful stuff in there ! |  | |  |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 21:40 - Apr 8 with 4873 views | OldPedro |
Only 6 more to write Clive........you'll probably to use the same report by just changing the name of the opposition and their players. How has it come to this.......  |  |
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| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 21:41 - Apr 8 with 4860 views | rrrspricey |
Excellent piece Clive, sums up the views of most of those around me yesterday.
From my pov, your article also represents one of the saddest I've read in many a year. 54 years I've followed my club and there have been some dark times but I'd do it all again in a heartbeat...up to this season.
Saying that I'll be there st the Hawthorns on Monday with my misguided optimism, thinking this could be the game that we actually turn up for. No doubt I'll be travelling home as depressed as usual  |  | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 22:27 - Apr 8 with 4596 views | enfieldargh |
They say its the hope that kills you.
No we dont even have that.
Superb piece of writing as always, .
At least we didnt loose 40-0 |  |
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| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 22:33 - Apr 8 with 4557 views | colinallcars |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 22:27 - Apr 8 by enfieldargh |
They say its the hope that kills you.
No we dont even have that.
Superb piece of writing as always, .
At least we didnt loose 40-0 |
As I think I said in a (drunken) post the other night, it's not the hope that kills me as much as the inexplicability.
How on earth has the club got into this utter mess and not a dickie bird from them as to why.
They're like the freemasons. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 22:37 - Apr 8 with 4514 views | paulparker |
100% agree with the star man being Terry Fenwick
Oh to have someone like him again being captain |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 23:06 - Apr 8 with 4423 views | ManinBlack |
We are well on course to lose half, if not more, of the 46 league games which is some achievement for a team top in mid October. I see Leicester have lost eight of their last nine league games but at least they have a good excuse being in the Premiership. Meanwhile Luton posted their tenth away clean sheet at Millwall a best for the division, even better than Burnley.
Maybe it is just me and I am a harsh judge, but it felt ironic to me having Francis implore us to stay with the team. This from a man who walked out on us and to my mind the trigger point for all the rot that later set in with Wilkins taking over, selling Ferdinand and then making duff signings, getting us relegated from the Premiership.
Rubbish signings has been going on ever since to the current crop exceeding all levels of incompetence on the field. Perhaps I am being unfair on Francis but there is always a trigger point to set the wheels in motion and I feel his walk out was a turning point. |  | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 01:01 - Apr 9 with 4140 views | Damo1962 |
Glad to see Field finally outed by Clive...he has had an easy ride from a lot of supporters for too long. He is as culpable as anyone else for this mess. WLS agrees with me about Dykes as well...another one who gets off lightly with a lot of supporters. I don't usually follow the fortunes of our players when they leave us, but I will be keeping an eye on this lot. |  | | |
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| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 07:09 - Apr 9 with 3902 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Your reports were always funny, this one was just full of sadness. The anger has gone, now just acceptance, which is a worse feeling.
I despise these players deeply, and the football under Ainsworth is going to be brutal. What has become of us? | |
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| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 07:39 - Apr 9 with 3826 views | johnhoop |
Thank you Clive. It’s funny how it’s strangely comforting to have someone put into words so brilliantly what an utterly miserable experience going to Loftus Road has become in the space of just six months. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 08:23 - Apr 9 with 3709 views | QPROslo |
It was a very poor performance Friday. No doubt about that. Why? A lot of the players who got us top of the League in October (hard to believe ) have played the last 2 games now and ought to be regaining some of the form they had then. No doubt either as Gareth keeps saying they've lost self belief and in each other. Maybe though Gareth needs to at least set the team up in a way that the players have some confidence in, which got us top of league under Beale, were doing better than this with under Critchley at least at first, or with the back 3 we played with under Warburton, but with attacking fullbacks and some creativity in midfield, not the back 5 that looked as some here have said like 7 at the back for much of Friday. He needs to sort this out quick, like by tomorrow Monday. I hope Tim is fit to give us some pace and creativity in central midfield, we need that. If he's not fit maybe it is time to give Richards a chance. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 08:51 - Apr 9 with 3590 views | thehat |
Thanks Clive - Depressing times but very well articulated in your report.
Unfortunately the squad does not have the right characters for a relegation scrap Chair, Willock, Roberts, Richards, Lowe, Dozzell, Johansen, Amos, Laird, Paal, Clark Salter I mean how many of them would you want in the trenches with you. All pretty footballers when the sun is shining and things are going your way but as soon as they hit a bit of turbulence they go missing - Weak as piss the lot of them.
I feel for Garath he has left a team of men at Wycombe for these wimps.
My thoughts are we will need Garath to have a clear out in League One and give him the full three years on his contract to rebuild a team that might be able to get us back into the Championship. A bit like Ollie did all them years ago.
As you say very sad that it has come to this but anyone who was at Coventry away back in November for what was Beale’s last game in charge saw the signs. As did Beale who then made the decision to jump ship… | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 08:58 - Apr 9 with 3563 views | stevec |
Clutching at straws time and, whilst stating the bleeding obvious, we desperately desperately need one of our forwards to get us ahead in a game.
Dykes is not that man, I’m not even sure if he’s scored with his feet in open play this season. However shit we are, that could be the spark.
Which brings me to a man who still hasn’t scored in something like 23 games. But that said, he’s only started 3 of which we won two and he was highly instrumental in both those wins. He’s probably out for the season but if not start him every game, run himself into the ground, cause a bit of havoc. Even if he can’t shoot straight, mayhem may be the only thing that could get us over the line. |  | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 09:07 - Apr 9 with 3526 views | PinnerPaul |
I'm as saddened as baffled as everyone else so on to something I know vaguely something about - no heckling please.
Referee - Normally as both readers will know I'm supportive or can see the logic in decisions BUT
1) Holding - Yep I get what Clive is saying - this isn't the Under 12s and some holding you have to punish at a lower level, the players have to put up with at this level, but to me, he let too much of that go before finally caving in to the crowd reaction and giving a foul for Willock with a big holding gesture - just looked a bit silly after ignoring 53 identical offences in the previous 70 odd minutes
2) Barge of SJ was just plain wrong - they have radio communication so ref/AR equally to blame there
3) Two "high foot" 'offences - 1 punished, 1 not - always a no no for me - consistency with other refs? - impossible - but consistency within your own game - a must
4) PNE head injury - law clearly states players can't be treated on the fop - let alone 2 physios emptying the contents of their bags to do so!
Strange because like Clive I think he is one of the better referees we have but he had an off day on Friday - not as off as the players of course but I believe that's been mentioned a bit elsewhere!
The football etc - "sad" sums it up perfectly | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 09:22 - Apr 9 with 3466 views | ozranger |
I am a bit quizzical about some on here and the report, et al. I somewhat disagree with a good few items.
First, Dieng should not be a five. I rated him quite low as he struggled with the ball, conceding corners when he shouldn't, etc. Yet, his main problem is reading the game. Like it has been in past games, he holds on to the ball for miles too long unable to work out where it should go and by the time he has made up his mind and does something, the opposition are well set and any chance of taking advantage has dissipated.
Second, the stat of passes for Dykes is rubbish. I have zero idea who calculates that but he did not have a pass rating of below 50%, that is for sure. Perhaps when he challenged for a ball and won the header but there was no one there, that was considered as an incomplete pass as that is the only way one could get a stat like that. He was, perhaps, the only one who could walk away from that mess with some pride and the fans at least appreciated his effort with their applause when he was taken off.
Thirdly, did anyone else notice that Dickie got a hattrick at the beginning of the game. Three of his first few touches were right foot in to touch, header in to touch and left foot in to touch.
Finally, and this I am totally amazed about is the fact that GA is getting away without any serious attack about his substitutes. He brings on Adomah and if Adomah is the answer, then we are looking at the wrong question. We are two nil down and he makes a sub of a forward for a forward, and one who cannot challenge for a header and so all our long balls from defence are now free headers for their defenders. Then he brings on Lowe, supposedly a quick attacker, and places him at left wing back where he becomes anonymous, though that may be him as well. Did I miss something, but why did GA not try to have more in attack than keep the seven at back throughout the match? And, why have we not attacked him about that? |  | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 09:49 - Apr 9 with 3377 views | Northernr |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 09:22 - Apr 9 by ozranger |
I am a bit quizzical about some on here and the report, et al. I somewhat disagree with a good few items.
First, Dieng should not be a five. I rated him quite low as he struggled with the ball, conceding corners when he shouldn't, etc. Yet, his main problem is reading the game. Like it has been in past games, he holds on to the ball for miles too long unable to work out where it should go and by the time he has made up his mind and does something, the opposition are well set and any chance of taking advantage has dissipated.
Second, the stat of passes for Dykes is rubbish. I have zero idea who calculates that but he did not have a pass rating of below 50%, that is for sure. Perhaps when he challenged for a ball and won the header but there was no one there, that was considered as an incomplete pass as that is the only way one could get a stat like that. He was, perhaps, the only one who could walk away from that mess with some pride and the fans at least appreciated his effort with their applause when he was taken off.
Thirdly, did anyone else notice that Dickie got a hattrick at the beginning of the game. Three of his first few touches were right foot in to touch, header in to touch and left foot in to touch.
Finally, and this I am totally amazed about is the fact that GA is getting away without any serious attack about his substitutes. He brings on Adomah and if Adomah is the answer, then we are looking at the wrong question. We are two nil down and he makes a sub of a forward for a forward, and one who cannot challenge for a header and so all our long balls from defence are now free headers for their defenders. Then he brings on Lowe, supposedly a quick attacker, and places him at left wing back where he becomes anonymous, though that may be him as well. Did I miss something, but why did GA not try to have more in attack than keep the seven at back throughout the match? And, why have we not attacked him about that? |
Ratings - at this point in the process are we really quibbling over whether the keeper is a 4 or a 5? I don’t even want to write the bloody thing.
On the pass completion, that is rather my point. They’re low not because the players can’t pass (well, Dickie maybe) but because the tactic is to just turf it down the field, so when it gets to Dykes he flicks it on or turfs it on but as he’s the striker there’s nobody else further ahead, hence that figure. You’ve got half the team giving the ball away every other time because of the tactics we’re employing, I’m not necessarily blaming Dykes for it because as I said he’s flicking it on to nobody. He and later Martin fielding long balls 7 v 1.
On the subs, they’re shambolic, and I do say that.
And on Dickie - got in the divisional team of the day don’t you know  |  | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:30 - Apr 9 with 3196 views | gazza1 |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 22:33 - Apr 8 by colinallcars |
As I think I said in a (drunken) post the other night, it's not the hope that kills me as much as the inexplicability.
How on earth has the club got into this utter mess and not a dickie bird from them as to why.
They're like the freemasons. |
Why are they like the freemasons.......interested why you think that. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:33 - Apr 9 with 3189 views | traininvain |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 09:07 - Apr 9 by PinnerPaul |
I'm as saddened as baffled as everyone else so on to something I know vaguely something about - no heckling please.
Referee - Normally as both readers will know I'm supportive or can see the logic in decisions BUT
1) Holding - Yep I get what Clive is saying - this isn't the Under 12s and some holding you have to punish at a lower level, the players have to put up with at this level, but to me, he let too much of that go before finally caving in to the crowd reaction and giving a foul for Willock with a big holding gesture - just looked a bit silly after ignoring 53 identical offences in the previous 70 odd minutes
2) Barge of SJ was just plain wrong - they have radio communication so ref/AR equally to blame there
3) Two "high foot" 'offences - 1 punished, 1 not - always a no no for me - consistency with other refs? - impossible - but consistency within your own game - a must
4) PNE head injury - law clearly states players can't be treated on the fop - let alone 2 physios emptying the contents of their bags to do so!
Strange because like Clive I think he is one of the better referees we have but he had an off day on Friday - not as off as the players of course but I believe that's been mentioned a bit elsewhere!
The football etc - "sad" sums it up perfectly |
Pinner, on the subject of poor officiating I’d be interested to hear your take on Spurs vs Brighton yesterday. Every big decision seemed to go against Brighton who were unlucky to have two goals disallowed and four penalty decisions denied by VAR.
It almost felt like it went beyond incompetence. I’d imagine it’ll be discussed on your ref chat forum. |  | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:34 - Apr 9 with 3178 views | gazza1 |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 01:01 - Apr 9 by Damo1962 |
Glad to see Field finally outed by Clive...he has had an easy ride from a lot of supporters for too long. He is as culpable as anyone else for this mess. WLS agrees with me about Dykes as well...another one who gets off lightly with a lot of supporters. I don't usually follow the fortunes of our players when they leave us, but I will be keeping an eye on this lot. |
Harsh about Field.....he has his limitations offensively but he has played well doing his defensive work most of the time. I know he cant shoot, pass the ball forward, etc, but he breaks up opposition play time and again.
Yesterday he was not very good but, although I wasnt there, I thought he looked as good or bad as the rest of them. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:36 - Apr 9 with 3172 views | Northernr |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:33 - Apr 9 by traininvain |
Pinner, on the subject of poor officiating I’d be interested to hear your take on Spurs vs Brighton yesterday. Every big decision seemed to go against Brighton who were unlucky to have two goals disallowed and four penalty decisions denied by VAR.
It almost felt like it went beyond incompetence. I’d imagine it’ll be discussed on your ref chat forum. |
Yeh that game was a shambles. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:58 - Apr 9 with 3098 views | distortR |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:36 - Apr 9 by Northernr |
Yeh that game was a shambles. |
I watched the first half in a pub with a mate. Game delayed because the refs technology had gone awry, when he ran on the spuds fans clapped and cheered, the ref looked made up. I said to a mate, "Brighton are in trouble here".
Rangers? Don't want to talk about them. It's all shit. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 11:02 - Apr 9 with 3054 views | stevec |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 10:36 - Apr 9 by Northernr |
Yeh that game was a shambles. |
Actually I think VAR is doing precisely what it was introduced to do, ensure the big boys are not over troubled by the riff raff.
Carefully choreographed over the season and they may throw you the occasional bone but don’t expect to ever see another Leicester anywhere near the Champions League. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 11:22 - Apr 9 with 2981 views | terryb |
Cheers Clive.
I thought everything was summed up on Friday by Johnson. I've always regarded him as someone who can play, but normally spends more time refereeing than Pearson did! In this match he quickly realised that he only needed to play & we couldn't get close to him.
We are a team that can't play short passes or through the midfield as we're not accurate enough. We can't play long balls either as this just gives the ball to the opposition, even when Dykes has won the aerial challenge. As for running past the front man, that's not in our coaching manual!
The only player we have that might fit our current system (if I'm reading it correctly) is Armstrong. And he's not fit enough to play more than 60 minutes every 3 games.
It's time for Dorse to start the campaign to bring back Dom Ball to take the Steve Palmer role next season (and I don't like returning players happening as a rule). I expect that Ipswich would be quite happy for this to happen! | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 11:47 - Apr 9 with 2895 views | francisbowles |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 09:07 - Apr 9 by PinnerPaul |
I'm as saddened as baffled as everyone else so on to something I know vaguely something about - no heckling please.
Referee - Normally as both readers will know I'm supportive or can see the logic in decisions BUT
1) Holding - Yep I get what Clive is saying - this isn't the Under 12s and some holding you have to punish at a lower level, the players have to put up with at this level, but to me, he let too much of that go before finally caving in to the crowd reaction and giving a foul for Willock with a big holding gesture - just looked a bit silly after ignoring 53 identical offences in the previous 70 odd minutes
2) Barge of SJ was just plain wrong - they have radio communication so ref/AR equally to blame there
3) Two "high foot" 'offences - 1 punished, 1 not - always a no no for me - consistency with other refs? - impossible - but consistency within your own game - a must
4) PNE head injury - law clearly states players can't be treated on the fop - let alone 2 physios emptying the contents of their bags to do so!
Strange because like Clive I think he is one of the better referees we have but he had an off day on Friday - not as off as the players of course but I believe that's been mentioned a bit elsewhere!
The football etc - "sad" sums it up perfectly |
This is much more interesting than posting about how bad the team are. We all know that and have vented our guts on it in our own different ways.
Our own referee Pinner Paul, articulates brilliantly, exactly what a pig's ear the normally reliable Geoff Eltringham made of this game. I agree with you totally Pinner.
It isn't the reason why our team is terrible but this standard of incompetence and/or inconsistency that we have seen several times this season, most recently with Gavin Ward and now GE doesn't help. We probably would have found a way to lose anyway BUT, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Our frustration and fragility are triggered by such decisions. | | | |
| Things turn toxic as hapless QPR lose yet again - Report on 11:48 - Apr 9 with 2899 views | NorthantsHoop |
Totally agree with your report Clive, the game was over for Rangers when Chair missed his chance, done this on numerous times since he has been with us. Like you now in acceptance of relegation makes it easier. Last weekend went to watch Northampton v Stevenage at Sixfields and actually agreed with my son in law once Wigan score came in that if the Cobblers go up then Rangers will be in that away end next season. |  | | |
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