| We need a Director of Football 09:19 - Apr 6 with 20116 views | Blue_Castello |
Now I can understand why combining the two jobs of CEO and DOF is a significant cost saving to the club and if you had the right person in the position with significant experience it could work. That person could set the overall strategy for the club ensure it is implemented and not have somebody else telling them to go in a different direction.
However we don't have an experienced CEO and we are paying the price, the issues with recruitment have been highlighted in previews and reports, the imbalance of the squad and the debatable purchases which appear to have been purely analytical driven.
We are currently competing against teams who understand the physicality of the Championship and if you can't match them then you are struggling before the kick off. It feels like the squads been put together by somebody sitting in front of a terminal looking at statistics and not trying to balance the needs of a squad that has to play sometimes 3 games in a week. The point was made by Kevin Gallen on the WLS podcast, the players from the overseas leagues do not have the same loading on the playing schedule and this can reflect in them not being so robust.
Surely enough time has been given to see if the cost saving would work with only one man in charge and we now need to bite the bullet and get a DOF before it's too late. It may not even cost the club a fortune, if we can find a Senior person who has experience of the Championship then they could be employed part time. It would be a difficult appointment to make because they have to work in harmony with the CEO but that's for the board to sort out.
There will possibly be cost savings with a reorganisation it happens in a lot of business when they are restructured, should we really be paying some bloke based in Dubai for consultancy.
Made me smile thinking of Uncle Neil coming back on a part time basis, I think his time has gone but he knew how to put a squad together, that's what we need somebody who understands the demands of the physicality of the Championship and we recruit players who are robust and less prone to injury.
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| We need a Director of Football on 09:28 - Apr 6 with 4405 views | dmm |
About a year ago Steve Gallen was appointed DOF at Millwall, a few months after Nourry was appointed at QPR. We may well have made the wrong choice there. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:45 - Apr 6 with 4339 views | ozexile |
What's happened to the head of methodology? Wasn't he the new DOF? Just a different term? | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 10:02 - Apr 6 with 4309 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:28 - Apr 6 by dmm |
About a year ago Steve Gallen was appointed DOF at Millwall, a few months after Nourry was appointed at QPR. We may well have made the wrong choice there. |
Yes, well, true.
But we did an extensive audit.
And the main conclusion from that was that Nourry came highly recommended by...ahm...Nourry. |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 10:02 - Apr 6 with 4301 views | BklynRanger |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:45 - Apr 6 by ozexile |
What's happened to the head of methodology? Wasn't he the new DOF? Just a different term? |
I'd have thought a Head of Methodology would more likely be expected to report to a DOF, but who knows what the plan was?
Agree with the OP though - I think this is a moment where if Nourry wants to stay he needs to be prepared to accept a change where someone with more experience is brought in above him. He can focus on the things he's good at [insert items here I genuinely don't know], can develop in the way someone at his age should be content to, and still earn a wedge. That to me is being more than reasonable and if he doesn't agree I'd look at other options.
The problem is how much that wise head would cost, how they'd work with Nourry, and how they'd work with Marti if he stays. Marti himself might not even fancy it.
I've been wondering since I read Clive's preview for yesterday's match if it's at all possible for Nourry, and everyone at the club really, to learn from the mistakes of this season and correct them. That 'sliding doors moment' when we stayed up and Marti stayed has indeed been such a disappointment - something has to properly change over the summer that's stating the obvious. [Post edited 6 Apr 10:04]
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| We need a Director of Football on 10:35 - Apr 6 with 4183 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
I can’t see how this could possibly work now personally. You have Nourry in the room who clearly has some pretty strong opinions on the identification of players and the scouting set up. He has his hands around the purse strings so would ultimately get the biggest vote.
From what we’ve seen / read / heard about the people he’s employed it appears to be a bit of an ‘in’ group so any such DOF would almost certainly be one of his guys and ultimately a yes man. I cannot even begin to imagine him stepping away from that side of things and bowing to the knowledge of a grizzled football man. He wouldn’t employ him in the first place and if he were forced to I’d imagine there would be a huge power struggle from minute one.
He’s not a specialist CEO like Hoos was. It would make even less sense for him to be forced into a more pure CEO role expecting him to swallow his pride and go with someone else’s football and recruitment strategy. What would be the point? At that point you may as well employ a more traditional CEO with experience in football to just manage the balance sheet for the board.
They’ve done their load on him now. He’s the guy. If you want a Steve Gallen or Neil Warnock driving the football side of the club you’re gonna have to oust this guy first. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:11 - Apr 6 with 4084 views | BklynRanger |
| We need a Director of Football on 10:35 - Apr 6 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I can’t see how this could possibly work now personally. You have Nourry in the room who clearly has some pretty strong opinions on the identification of players and the scouting set up. He has his hands around the purse strings so would ultimately get the biggest vote.
From what we’ve seen / read / heard about the people he’s employed it appears to be a bit of an ‘in’ group so any such DOF would almost certainly be one of his guys and ultimately a yes man. I cannot even begin to imagine him stepping away from that side of things and bowing to the knowledge of a grizzled football man. He wouldn’t employ him in the first place and if he were forced to I’d imagine there would be a huge power struggle from minute one.
He’s not a specialist CEO like Hoos was. It would make even less sense for him to be forced into a more pure CEO role expecting him to swallow his pride and go with someone else’s football and recruitment strategy. What would be the point? At that point you may as well employ a more traditional CEO with experience in football to just manage the balance sheet for the board.
They’ve done their load on him now. He’s the guy. If you want a Steve Gallen or Neil Warnock driving the football side of the club you’re gonna have to oust this guy first. |
Oust away then - like I said I think it's a perfectly fair offer considering how this season has gone. If it doesn't look like it could work (and I certainly take your points).then the owners will need to wake up and do something.
This isn't even based on the assumption that everything is Nourry's fault, but the buck has to stop with him, and it would be even more important if Eze ends up getting sold.
I don't think we should assume that they've set up a structure that can't be unpicked or changed, or that they've gone with an idea and that's that. Hoos finally figured out a way to get out and convinced the owners to go with it - it never looked more thought through than that. Look at the state of the physio set-up as another example of making it up as we go along. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:26 - Apr 6 with 4017 views | loftus77 |
Mark Warburton? I know - has been said before.... | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:28 - Apr 6 with 4007 views | johnhoop |
| We need a Director of Football on 10:02 - Apr 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
Yes, well, true.
But we did an extensive audit.
And the main conclusion from that was that Nourry came highly recommended by...ahm...Nourry. |
Staggering really that Ruben should have fallen for it. It’s on a par with Mark Hughes interviewing QPR, Redknapp dazzling Fernandes with his bovine excrement and Beale with his power point.
You’d have thought they would have known how to spot a bullsh-tter by now as they’ve had so much experience of them. | | | |
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:29 - Apr 6 with 3990 views | johnhoop |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:11 - Apr 6 by BklynRanger |
Oust away then - like I said I think it's a perfectly fair offer considering how this season has gone. If it doesn't look like it could work (and I certainly take your points).then the owners will need to wake up and do something.
This isn't even based on the assumption that everything is Nourry's fault, but the buck has to stop with him, and it would be even more important if Eze ends up getting sold.
I don't think we should assume that they've set up a structure that can't be unpicked or changed, or that they've gone with an idea and that's that. Hoos finally figured out a way to get out and convinced the owners to go with it - it never looked more thought through than that. Look at the state of the physio set-up as another example of making it up as we go along. |
Agreed Brooklyn. Let’s oust. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:57 - Apr 6 with 3899 views | E15Hoop |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:29 - Apr 6 by johnhoop |
Agreed Brooklyn. Let’s oust. |
Never going to happen in a thousand years, for all the reasons Padula's Shampoo outlined.
Nourry is very much "on trend" in the sense that the industry at large loves him, and he can point to how the recruitment we did over the summer was very much led by the data in the way that Brighton and Brentford and so many other clubs work.
Whether we as fans like it or not is - as we've spent many hours debating over the last 15 months or so, if not longer - pretty irrelevant.
Lee Hoos in particular (who spearheaded Nourry's recruitment, or at least is very keen to take public credit for it) is, as we all know, not the kind of person to go "Oops, I may have made a mistake here", and especially one which has fundamentally changed the way we opeerate in just about every sense. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:03 - Apr 6 with 3854 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:57 - Apr 6 by E15Hoop |
Never going to happen in a thousand years, for all the reasons Padula's Shampoo outlined.
Nourry is very much "on trend" in the sense that the industry at large loves him, and he can point to how the recruitment we did over the summer was very much led by the data in the way that Brighton and Brentford and so many other clubs work.
Whether we as fans like it or not is - as we've spent many hours debating over the last 15 months or so, if not longer - pretty irrelevant.
Lee Hoos in particular (who spearheaded Nourry's recruitment, or at least is very keen to take public credit for it) is, as we all know, not the kind of person to go "Oops, I may have made a mistake here", and especially one which has fundamentally changed the way we opeerate in just about every sense. |
I was pretty happy when Nourry was getting rid of some of the higher-level failures from Les's tenure as it was long overdue. However, the elephant in the room is that this season has been mismanaged far worse than when Les was in charge. We literally have no fit centre forward at the club - at least Les got Chris Martin in. If I were an owner rigorously scrutinising what was going on, Nourry's head would be on the block...so that's ten more years of him then! [Post edited 6 Apr 12:03]
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:17 - Apr 6 with 3831 views | KensalT |
"Now I can understand why combining the two jobs of CEO and DOF is a significant cost saving to the club"
How do we know there's a cost saving?
We don't know what Nourry is getting paid for this dual role.
And don't forget that Lee Hoos is still on the staff as Chairman:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/club/staff-directory
I doubt he is doing that out of the goodness of his heart. [Post edited 6 Apr 13:27]
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:20 - Apr 6 with 3814 views | Gus_iom |
| We need a Director of Football on 10:02 - Apr 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
Yes, well, true.
But we did an extensive audit.
And the main conclusion from that was that Nourry came highly recommended by...ahm...Nourry. |
And if MC leaves, he'll be doing an extensive audit......
Chuck Nourry won't be found Missing in Action.
Or Acton, come to that. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:47 - Apr 6 with 3704 views | stevec |
What I am noticing is when we were doing bad it was all down to Nourry, when we were doing well it was all down to Marti and now we’re doing badly again, it’s all down to Nourry. Logic says it’s not all Nourry’s fault.
I’m not convinced Nourry is the problem, the problem seems to be he’s been left to his own devices when he really needs an ex Championship player alongside him to run the rule over his choices.
Don’t think we need another DOF, lord knows the last one wasn’t a raging success. We need someone on board who’s an equal to Nourry and not a boss. I don’t know who could do the job but given Kevin Gallen has been having what seems to be a knowledgeable view on what’s been happening, maybe his experience in this league could be harnessed by checking out these players at their grounds rather than over the internet.
Believe Gallen would have our best interests in mind and he wouldn’t seemingly become handicapped by any pet project. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:51 - Apr 6 with 3702 views | E15Hoop |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:47 - Apr 6 by stevec |
What I am noticing is when we were doing bad it was all down to Nourry, when we were doing well it was all down to Marti and now we’re doing badly again, it’s all down to Nourry. Logic says it’s not all Nourry’s fault.
I’m not convinced Nourry is the problem, the problem seems to be he’s been left to his own devices when he really needs an ex Championship player alongside him to run the rule over his choices.
Don’t think we need another DOF, lord knows the last one wasn’t a raging success. We need someone on board who’s an equal to Nourry and not a boss. I don’t know who could do the job but given Kevin Gallen has been having what seems to be a knowledgeable view on what’s been happening, maybe his experience in this league could be harnessed by checking out these players at their grounds rather than over the internet.
Believe Gallen would have our best interests in mind and he wouldn’t seemingly become handicapped by any pet project. |
...But you're making the assumption there that the club still values old style scouting in the mode of Mel Stride, and that may perhaps not be the case. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:58 - Apr 6 with 3689 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:45 - Apr 6 by ozexile |
What's happened to the head of methodology? Wasn't he the new DOF? Just a different term? |
He's thinking about it. |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 13:31 - Apr 6 with 3562 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:47 - Apr 6 by stevec |
What I am noticing is when we were doing bad it was all down to Nourry, when we were doing well it was all down to Marti and now we’re doing badly again, it’s all down to Nourry. Logic says it’s not all Nourry’s fault.
I’m not convinced Nourry is the problem, the problem seems to be he’s been left to his own devices when he really needs an ex Championship player alongside him to run the rule over his choices.
Don’t think we need another DOF, lord knows the last one wasn’t a raging success. We need someone on board who’s an equal to Nourry and not a boss. I don’t know who could do the job but given Kevin Gallen has been having what seems to be a knowledgeable view on what’s been happening, maybe his experience in this league could be harnessed by checking out these players at their grounds rather than over the internet.
Believe Gallen would have our best interests in mind and he wouldn’t seemingly become handicapped by any pet project. |
I agree it's not all down to Nourry. I actually think that it's down to the owners for giving a novice both jobs. Or either job.
There was a Gaelic Footballer being interviewed live on RTE once after losing a big game when an old fan interjected and shouted " 'Tisn't your fault, boy. 'Tis the bastárds who picked you!" | |
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| We need a Director of Football on 14:03 - Apr 6 with 3455 views | Northernr |
I said this when we appointed Ian Holloway as manager, which i absolutely loved and was very excited about - which other club in our division would have done that?
And now I’m asking again. Which other club would take their DOF role, held by a bloke who whatever you thought of Les had been in football his whole life, knew the club backwards, and had 7 years in the role… and you take your CEO role, which whatever you think of Lee Hoos was held by one of the division’s most experienced and savvy execs… and you put those roles together and give that job to one bloke with chat who’s never done either job before, at a club as notoriously difficult as ours…
What other club would do that? It’s insane. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:10 - Apr 6 with 3417 views | lassel |
The DOF role only works if you have a CEO above them who is competent, and secure enough in their own abilities to stay the fck away.
You could appoint the unanimous industry #1 DOF here, but with every department now being headed by either one of Nourry’s friends, or Nourry directly it’s completely pointless.
Like going in for a heart transplant and coming out with a manicure. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:14 - Apr 6 with 3401 views | GroveR |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:03 - Apr 6 by Northernr |
I said this when we appointed Ian Holloway as manager, which i absolutely loved and was very excited about - which other club in our division would have done that?
And now I’m asking again. Which other club would take their DOF role, held by a bloke who whatever you thought of Les had been in football his whole life, knew the club backwards, and had 7 years in the role… and you take your CEO role, which whatever you think of Lee Hoos was held by one of the division’s most experienced and savvy execs… and you put those roles together and give that job to one bloke with chat who’s never done either job before, at a club as notoriously difficult as ours…
What other club would do that? It’s insane. |
Sheffield Wednesday might if they'd thought of it first. Our board are inept, that fella is dangerous. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:17 - Apr 6 with 3390 views | Northernr |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:14 - Apr 6 by GroveR |
Sheffield Wednesday might if they'd thought of it first. Our board are inept, that fella is dangerous. |
Good point. Which other sane club that isn’t deliberately trying to relegate itself to spite the fans because they said nasty things to the megalomaniac owner. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:18 - Apr 6 with 3384 views | CamberleyR |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:26 - Apr 6 by loftus77 |
Mark Warburton? I know - has been said before.... |
Couldn't see it at the moment. A couple of weeks ago he accepted a job as sporting director and head of soccer in a brand new second tier expansion franchise in MLS so he's basically been given a blank sheet of paper to build something there from the ground up.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/25025522.former-rangers-boss-mark-warburton |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 14:27 - Apr 6 with 3345 views | HammersmithR |
And this is my gripe with Nourry. He’s clearly a data man who loves a PowerPoint but his knowledge of football you could write on the back of a postage stamp. How for example can you go into a season with 2 out and out strikers in a league where it is relentless? We spunk the majority of our summer budget on a player who hasn’t started a game since pre-Christmas despite all our injuries. We employ a Head of Performance who is literally lying on a beach in Dubai. It’s just poor decision after another. Every season we struggle with relegation. What is the aspiration of this club? Why do we consistently sign so many sh1te players? Why can’t we have a go for the play offs one year? Bring some excitement to the fans. We do our bit. We go to games. Home games on a Saturday are always a sell out. We have to get better! Surely the owners need to sack Nourry and his mates. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 15:06 - Apr 6 with 3240 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:27 - Apr 6 by HammersmithR |
And this is my gripe with Nourry. He’s clearly a data man who loves a PowerPoint but his knowledge of football you could write on the back of a postage stamp. How for example can you go into a season with 2 out and out strikers in a league where it is relentless? We spunk the majority of our summer budget on a player who hasn’t started a game since pre-Christmas despite all our injuries. We employ a Head of Performance who is literally lying on a beach in Dubai. It’s just poor decision after another. Every season we struggle with relegation. What is the aspiration of this club? Why do we consistently sign so many sh1te players? Why can’t we have a go for the play offs one year? Bring some excitement to the fans. We do our bit. We go to games. Home games on a Saturday are always a sell out. We have to get better! Surely the owners need to sack Nourry and his mates. |
Yeah, it's relatively easy to get rid of the previous regime. Bit harder to outperform it, which is what you need to do to justify what you've done. Nourry is Cromwell, chopping off Les's head and then banning fun. Yesterday's match definitely had a Puritan air to it. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 15:07 - Apr 6 with 3239 views | PunteR |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:47 - Apr 6 by stevec |
What I am noticing is when we were doing bad it was all down to Nourry, when we were doing well it was all down to Marti and now we’re doing badly again, it’s all down to Nourry. Logic says it’s not all Nourry’s fault.
I’m not convinced Nourry is the problem, the problem seems to be he’s been left to his own devices when he really needs an ex Championship player alongside him to run the rule over his choices.
Don’t think we need another DOF, lord knows the last one wasn’t a raging success. We need someone on board who’s an equal to Nourry and not a boss. I don’t know who could do the job but given Kevin Gallen has been having what seems to be a knowledgeable view on what’s been happening, maybe his experience in this league could be harnessed by checking out these players at their grounds rather than over the internet.
Believe Gallen would have our best interests in mind and he wouldn’t seemingly become handicapped by any pet project. |
Yep. As seems to be the case , repeatedly , the owners hire novices for the role. Whether its Les Ferdinand as DoF, Nourry now or even our managers. Cifuentes new to this league, same as Ainsworth , Beale never managing before. We got in JFH , after we sacked off Redknapp, who we then put in another novice in Ramsey in charge of our inevitable relegation.
Even Holloway after had basically retired and been out of the game for years and become a SKY pundit. Maclaren was a decent coach but never a decent manager (had he managed in the championship before? Boro? ). The only one in the last 10 years who actually was qualified for the role and knew what his remit was and how to accomplish it (off the pitch) was Hoos. On the football side we've never had anyone that can move us forward with the financial restraints holding us back. Even , sadly Cifuentes.
Theres no vision, no long term plan, no one is ever on the same page , and that comes down to our inept owners.
I think the owners have no ambition and are scared of hiring someone who knows the game inside out, for fear they will get their pants pulled down like the Hughes and Redknapp era.
It feels a bit like the premier league ,where most clubs just try and exist in the league rather than try and win a trophy or something of real value for the fans. |  |
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