| Overreactions to wins and losses 13:04 - Nov 6 with 2560 views | WestonsuperR |
Understand that ultimately we are nudges by results and not performance but frustrating that there is an overreaction both ways, wins and losses.
We were never a top 6 side when placed in the playoffs recently, every win could have gone either way and the underlying data showed we should have been around 13th-15th, yet this almost seemed to set an expectations we would finish this high and delusions that we should be 6th or thereabouts.
Similarly we were at least ‘reasonable’ last night, data shows we created far more threat (xg 1.68 v 0.68). Surely worth at least a draw with us restricting Southampton to a couple of serious efforts on goal one of which’s was deflected in.
We have a squad that is mid-table (IMO) and a budget of close to bottom 3, reality is where we are now 16th (welcome home!) is roughly par for the course, where we deserve to be and where we will finish. No need for an hysterical overreaction. |  | | |  |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:13 - Nov 6 with 2487 views | Benny_the_Ball |
With all due respect, this thread in itself could be considered an overreaction.
I think the problem is that QPR aren't inconsistent in the traditional sense (i.e. WLDWLD). They lurch from runs of several wins in a row to runs of several defeats. Regardless of changes in coaching staff and personnel, this has been the pattern for several seasons.
These cycles of feast or famine cause extremes in emotion which inevitably finds its way on to message boards. [Post edited 6 Nov 13:14]
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:15 - Nov 6 with 2471 views | Logman |
I agree that we played OK last night. I think the issue is that there are such fine margins that we cannot afford for any dubious selections or decisions during the games. Against Ispwich for example, we picked two out of form players and paid the price. Last night a couple of losses of concentration/application in the second half and we paid the price.
We cannot afford to learn on the job (which I think is what is currently happening) [Post edited 6 Nov 13:17]
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:17 - Nov 6 with 2454 views | JamesB1979 |
My concern is that I thought we would start slow but improve over time. For me, some players are massively underperforming to the level they can achieve. Why is that? You can point to individual players but when it’s so many of them? How can we be so poor at set pieces both defensively and attacking? We took a free kick last night where the players didn’t know what to do. Jimmy Dunne looks disinterested and I can’t believe I’m saying that. He’s almost taken more of a back seat and he’s the captain. | | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:27 - Nov 6 with 2391 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:17 - Nov 6 by JamesB1979 |
My concern is that I thought we would start slow but improve over time. For me, some players are massively underperforming to the level they can achieve. Why is that? You can point to individual players but when it’s so many of them? How can we be so poor at set pieces both defensively and attacking? We took a free kick last night where the players didn’t know what to do. Jimmy Dunne looks disinterested and I can’t believe I’m saying that. He’s almost taken more of a back seat and he’s the captain. |
I was thinking the same. It feels like Jimmy was persuaded to stay by the lure of the armband but is playing like a man who regrets not moving on. [Post edited 6 Nov 13:27]
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:30 - Nov 6 with 2372 views | ted_hendrix |
People react differently to results and this MB gives those people an opportunity to "air their views" an example being last night I was bloody livid and today I've calmed down and decided to face reality.
I value reading some responses whereby I've read them and watched certain highlights and thought, maybe I got that bit wrong after all,
I honestly don't believe there are any overreactions, 99% of QPR fans are realistic about our current position and ability. |  |
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:31 - Nov 6 with 2370 views | TheChef |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:15 - Nov 6 by Logman |
I agree that we played OK last night. I think the issue is that there are such fine margins that we cannot afford for any dubious selections or decisions during the games. Against Ispwich for example, we picked two out of form players and paid the price. Last night a couple of losses of concentration/application in the second half and we paid the price.
We cannot afford to learn on the job (which I think is what is currently happening) [Post edited 6 Nov 13:17]
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:37 - Nov 6 with 2317 views | QPRcounsellor |
I largely agree with what you're saying and I am one of those who gets down after a run of defeats.
One reason is, Preston, Hull, Charlton and Stoke shouldn't be top 6 teams either but they seem to be coping way better than we are. There's no reason why we can't be closer to these teams but we seem to have this fragile mentality where we just fall away and we go into games just knowing what the outcome will be.
The table at the end of the season may clear that argument up though. | | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:58 - Nov 6 with 2241 views | rbee |
We all over react to an extent.
Firstly it's the hope that kills you and secondly it's the fact that we are giving away Championship points like Red Cross parcels. |  | | |
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 15:14 - Nov 6 with 2090 views | WestonsuperR |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 13:37 - Nov 6 by QPRcounsellor |
I largely agree with what you're saying and I am one of those who gets down after a run of defeats.
One reason is, Preston, Hull, Charlton and Stoke shouldn't be top 6 teams either but they seem to be coping way better than we are. There's no reason why we can't be closer to these teams but we seem to have this fragile mentality where we just fall away and we go into games just knowing what the outcome will be.
The table at the end of the season may clear that argument up though. |
Southampton, Norwich and Sheff U shouldn’t be bottom 6 teams but are coping worse than we are, it’s still early days, I think we finish lower mid-table as per usual.
Not convinced by JS so far, I worry if he has the level of detail required, I was always liked it when the likes of Cifuentes and Warbs would go in to detail about the opponent they were about to face, I don’t get the feeling from JS, just a hunch rather than any facts. | | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 15:32 - Nov 6 with 2042 views | stainrods_elbow |
I'll keep saying it and die on my sacred hill doing so if need be - fandom (fanataicism) has NOTHING to do with realism, subscribing to a mythic (read neoliberal) 'pecking order', or siging up for (rather than singing against) some kind of pre-written script. Probably the sort of people who take the 'realistic' high ground (when it should be romantics who occupy it, if anyone) are the same sort of cultic people who think there's some kind of pecking order on LfW as well. Fans are irrational, raging, pathological dreamers. At least the real ones are!
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If, as some of these same people are also arguing, it all comes down to 'fine margins', it makes just as much sense to look to our squad to aim for the play-offs rather than settle for mid-table.
I don't think the team is being properly trained, or is fit enough, or is set up tactically well enough, and the evidence has been pretty hard to miss for a few games now. Whether these players are good enough (I fear some of them are not) then becomes a moot point if we're not maximising our chances to win games through a lack of professional organisation, nous, and strategy.
JS's post-match interview last night, which I've begun a thread on, really worried me. He came across like some French version of Geoffrey from Rainbow (no prizes for guessing who could have appeared next to him as Bungle). I don't think he's getting the best out of the squad, and I'm not sure he has the answers. If the club had a decent interviewer, he'd have reminded him of the last manager's mantra that 'football is about achieving - not deserving' as an amuse-bouche! [Post edited 6 Nov 15:37]
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 15:47 - Nov 6 with 2001 views | Paddyhoops |
Three home losses in a row is a bit hard to take . Especially if you’ve seen the same scenario for years. Just asking not be constantly looking over our shoulders . Even for one season . Not much to ask for. | | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:02 - Nov 6 with 1938 views | JAPRANGERS |
There will always be happy clappers following any loss and those who wildly overreact after a defeat. Way of the football supporters world. |  | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:05 - Nov 6 with 1929 views | eastside_r |
I remember posting at the October break, when QPR and hopes were riding high - ‘Come back and see where we are at the November break’.
I also added, for good measure, that the next 6 games were eminently loseable.
We’ve lost 4 out of 5 and could easily go to 5 out of 6 on Saturday.
If anyone had said at the beginning of the season that we’d lose consecutive home games to just-relegated Ipswich and Southampton, would anyone have been surprised?
I also get why people were (and are) angry and frustrated at the recent run. |  | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:09 - Nov 6 with 1910 views | Burnleyhoop |
Accepting our fate must lie in finishing 16th every season is defeatist and lacks ambition.
Preston, Hull, Charlton et al are making a far better fist of it than we are and with similar squad sizes and financial resources.
We have the squad and ability, but are playing without conviction, belief or desire. For some reason our confidence has fallen through the floor.
JS needs to sort his shit out, because he is floundering and not coming up with the answers. | | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:17 - Nov 6 with 1860 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
A big part of it is being in the same division doing the same bloody things season after season, whoever is in charge. For me last night, I just felt numb because we've seen it so many times before - the same old faffing around at the back, the inevitable defensive mistakes and the failure to put away a pretty average team low on confidence.
I do think we have better players this season but the squad is still unbalanced and suspect in key positions like goalkeeper and right back. The coach doesn't seem a good fit for QPR fans who generally like big characters making big decisions. The overriding impression of Stephan is of someone being told what to do - whether that's excluding Kolli from the squad, resting certain players or playing the development squad in cup ties. That's fine if results go your way but when you're losing three home games on the trot, the natives get restless. And seeing the likes of Nathan Jones and Charlton seemingly adjusting to this league perfectly well raises further questions.
Of course for Nourry this could get awkward - he threw Marti under the bus for our failings last season but Stephan is his man doing what he wants with his squad, so the next month or so will be very interesting. [Post edited 6 Nov 16:19]
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| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:53 - Nov 6 with 1751 views | Loft1979 |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:17 - Nov 6 by Wegerles_Stairs |
A big part of it is being in the same division doing the same bloody things season after season, whoever is in charge. For me last night, I just felt numb because we've seen it so many times before - the same old faffing around at the back, the inevitable defensive mistakes and the failure to put away a pretty average team low on confidence.
I do think we have better players this season but the squad is still unbalanced and suspect in key positions like goalkeeper and right back. The coach doesn't seem a good fit for QPR fans who generally like big characters making big decisions. The overriding impression of Stephan is of someone being told what to do - whether that's excluding Kolli from the squad, resting certain players or playing the development squad in cup ties. That's fine if results go your way but when you're losing three home games on the trot, the natives get restless. And seeing the likes of Nathan Jones and Charlton seemingly adjusting to this league perfectly well raises further questions.
Of course for Nourry this could get awkward - he threw Marti under the bus for our failings last season but Stephan is his man doing what he wants with his squad, so the next month or so will be very interesting. [Post edited 6 Nov 16:19]
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Good Post!. I use this opportunity to note Charlton for the most part consistently fields the same line-up...hint! |  | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 17:16 - Nov 6 with 1688 views | Harbour |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:17 - Nov 6 by Wegerles_Stairs |
A big part of it is being in the same division doing the same bloody things season after season, whoever is in charge. For me last night, I just felt numb because we've seen it so many times before - the same old faffing around at the back, the inevitable defensive mistakes and the failure to put away a pretty average team low on confidence.
I do think we have better players this season but the squad is still unbalanced and suspect in key positions like goalkeeper and right back. The coach doesn't seem a good fit for QPR fans who generally like big characters making big decisions. The overriding impression of Stephan is of someone being told what to do - whether that's excluding Kolli from the squad, resting certain players or playing the development squad in cup ties. That's fine if results go your way but when you're losing three home games on the trot, the natives get restless. And seeing the likes of Nathan Jones and Charlton seemingly adjusting to this league perfectly well raises further questions.
Of course for Nourry this could get awkward - he threw Marti under the bus for our failings last season but Stephan is his man doing what he wants with his squad, so the next month or so will be very interesting. [Post edited 6 Nov 16:19]
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This …the 11 or 12 seasons back in the championship morphing into one….disappointingly familiar last night…came away feeling jaded last night. | | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 18:07 - Nov 6 with 1558 views | ManinBlack |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:09 - Nov 6 by Burnleyhoop |
Accepting our fate must lie in finishing 16th every season is defeatist and lacks ambition.
Preston, Hull, Charlton et al are making a far better fist of it than we are and with similar squad sizes and financial resources.
We have the squad and ability, but are playing without conviction, belief or desire. For some reason our confidence has fallen through the floor.
JS needs to sort his shit out, because he is floundering and not coming up with the answers. |
The frustration is that this pattern has lasted for years and it seems it will continue for decades to come if we continue as we are. What is troubling is we have a manager who described last night as our best performance of the season. While people associated with the club continue to live in the land of make believe that all is ok in our world then expect nothing to change. |  | | |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 09:21 - Nov 7 with 1228 views | TheChef |
| Overreactions to wins and losses on 16:53 - Nov 6 by Loft1979 |
Good Post!. I use this opportunity to note Charlton for the most part consistently fields the same line-up...hint! |
There's also a lot to be said for managers having prior experience of the division. JS is learning on the job just like Cifuentes was.
Mind you some one like Le Bris came in at Sunderland and did just fine - but that's where having a balanced/talented squad also helps! | |
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