| The Ashes - England to win ??? 19:55 - Nov 13 with 4538 views | numptydumpty |
Know we have a few resident cricket boffins on here.
Am looking forward to the Ashes series, might be a bit bleary eyed going into work for a few months ahead. No change there, then.
Australias first test squad of 15 players - only one player under 30.
England
Batsmen
Duckett
Crawley
Pope
Bethell
Root
Brook
Jacks
Stokes [ar]
Smith [wk]
Bowlers
Stokes[ar]
Archer
Wood
Atkinson
Carse
Tongue
Potts
Bashir[sp]
Potentially the pace bowling options are the best we have had for many a year, but nearly all of them are very injury prone. Ben Williams - alert !!
The batsmen are all decent on their day, but many are inconsistent
Whether Australia going for experience as opposed to ourselves with a more balanced range of ages.
Think we need to hit the ground running and make the first blows then who knows.
A new stadium in Perth, then the delights of a day night game and a pink ball to boot - fair dinkum.
Three one victory, i think but for who, am not sure !!
Anyone here, got any input on the potential in games ahead and where we could do well or slip up.
Looking forward to this one.
Any b*ggers going ??
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| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 22:09 - Nov 13 with 3610 views | numptydumpty |
Didnt realise the cricket thread still there.
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| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 22:44 - Nov 13 with 3542 views | SydneyRs |
I've lived in Australia 25 years and in that time very few touring teams have won here. England once, India once or twice and I think South Africa once.
Its very difficult as the conditions here are so different to elsewhere plus the home team is usually pretty good. Also not helped in my view by England tours being over the Christmas period when players would rather be at home.
Wood already injured. About 35 with a history of injuries, what better than to select him for a gruelling 5 test tour here. If he was a footballer QPR would have signed him. [Post edited 13 Nov 22:47]
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| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 23:07 - Nov 13 with 3493 views | MrSheen |
One side can’t bat, the other can’t bowl. No guarantee either can do the other thing though. |  | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 23:16 - Nov 13 with 3471 views | hoops_legend |
I think our team is poor unfortunately. Wood wont play a game and even if he does will get tanked. Archer is quality but backed up by no one. Carse is an ODI bowler ..
The batting line up will fold easily as well wiith Root and Brook the only ones who can do some damage |  |
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| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 00:19 - Nov 14 with 3388 views | stowmarketrange |
Conditions are so tough out there that I can’t see anything but an Aussie series win.I think we’ll draw one and win a meaningless test either at the MCG or SCG.
I can’t our batsmen getting enough runs to win enough tests to compensate for our poor bowling lineup. |  | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 07:21 - Nov 14 with 3235 views | thehat |
I did the Ashes tour down under in 1994 - Wonderful memories of a fantastic country and great people. They all love a whinging Pom.
I vowed to go back one day but as of yet not managed to fulfill that dream. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 08:02 - Nov 14 with 3202 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 23:16 - Nov 13 by hoops_legend |
I think our team is poor unfortunately. Wood wont play a game and even if he does will get tanked. Archer is quality but backed up by no one. Carse is an ODI bowler ..
The batting line up will fold easily as well wiith Root and Brook the only ones who can do some damage |
I don't think we will do anything other than get hammered but very unfair on Carse, he's bowled pretty well home and away in the last few tests.
Jofra actually has to stay fit and perform consistently, not something he has ever really done. I like him a lot, but it is now or never to deliver. |  | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 08:46 - Nov 14 with 3136 views | BrisbaneHoop |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 22:44 - Nov 13 by SydneyRs |
I've lived in Australia 25 years and in that time very few touring teams have won here. England once, India once or twice and I think South Africa once.
Its very difficult as the conditions here are so different to elsewhere plus the home team is usually pretty good. Also not helped in my view by England tours being over the Christmas period when players would rather be at home.
Wood already injured. About 35 with a history of injuries, what better than to select him for a gruelling 5 test tour here. If he was a footballer QPR would have signed him. [Post edited 13 Nov 22:47]
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| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 08:53 - Nov 14 with 3125 views | ozexile |
I've lived here many years but am English through and through. We're gonna get flogged. Our preparation is abysmal. One hit and giggle against our lions team on a flat pitch. Wood already injured, we don't have a spinner. The list is endless. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 09:14 - Nov 14 with 3083 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 08:53 - Nov 14 by ozexile |
I've lived here many years but am English through and through. We're gonna get flogged. Our preparation is abysmal. One hit and giggle against our lions team on a flat pitch. Wood already injured, we don't have a spinner. The list is endless. |
I am an admirer of Key, Stokes and McCullum's general approach, but of course you are right about the preparation. However, their point that the schedule doesn't allow it anymore is also true, plus the days of the home country putting up (i) appropriate pitches and (ii) relevant and tough opposition are also long gone. They are playing on a road at the moment - so I just don't know what else they can do anymore. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 09:22 - Nov 14 with 3049 views | BrisbaneHoop |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 08:02 - Nov 14 by GaryBannister86 |
I don't think we will do anything other than get hammered but very unfair on Carse, he's bowled pretty well home and away in the last few tests.
Jofra actually has to stay fit and perform consistently, not something he has ever really done. I like him a lot, but it is now or never to deliver. |
I remember watching Carse’s Dad (James) play for Eastern Province (the province that Port Elizabeth is in) when I was a kid. He was extremely fast but wayward at times and the wicket keeper had a good challenge keeping the byes down. 😀😀💪 | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 10:12 - Nov 14 with 2981 views | ozexile |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 09:14 - Nov 14 by GaryBannister86 |
I am an admirer of Key, Stokes and McCullum's general approach, but of course you are right about the preparation. However, their point that the schedule doesn't allow it anymore is also true, plus the days of the home country putting up (i) appropriate pitches and (ii) relevant and tough opposition are also long gone. They are playing on a road at the moment - so I just don't know what else they can do anymore. |
All very valid points but the ECB need to make some tough decisions. They've basically given up on one day cricket. They've sacrificed 20/20s for the ridiculous hundred competition. So it seems our jewel in the crown is test cricket. But the domestic season will never produce test players. We can't even produce a spinner.
Where's the planning for the future? | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 10:29 - Nov 14 with 2962 views | loftus77 |
No chance. 0-3 to Aus at least.
As ever, nothing much wrong with our English outcricket (bowling and fielding) - we can, and do, always challenge the Aussies in these areas. IMHO it's all about our (ahem) Work with the Willow. Basically, we don't do it and in Australia you really need to do it - for 90+overs in the FIRST innings of Test Matches regularly.
To papaphrase Martin Johnson (nearly 30yrs ago!) - there's only 3 things wrong with this English team - they can't bat, they can't bat and they can't bat.
And that is that. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 11:12 - Nov 14 with 2884 views | dsw2509 |
The first priority in any test match is to take 20 wickets. If you can’t do that you won’t win. Next question-can we get enough runs on the board to put them under a bit of pressure. If-and it’s big if-our top 5 perform, then it is possible.
As for a prediction-I will hope that we don’t lose the first test. If so, then a fighting 3-2 could happen. If we lose the first test then I can see a 5-0 hammering with Stokes resigning as captain immediately afterwards.
So, with fingers crossed, I’ll say a dramatic 3-2. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 11:50 - Nov 14 with 2808 views | CamberleyR |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 10:29 - Nov 14 by loftus77 |
No chance. 0-3 to Aus at least.
As ever, nothing much wrong with our English outcricket (bowling and fielding) - we can, and do, always challenge the Aussies in these areas. IMHO it's all about our (ahem) Work with the Willow. Basically, we don't do it and in Australia you really need to do it - for 90+overs in the FIRST innings of Test Matches regularly.
To papaphrase Martin Johnson (nearly 30yrs ago!) - there's only 3 things wrong with this English team - they can't bat, they can't bat and they can't bat.
And that is that. |
Actually nearly 40 years ago Johnson wrote the 'can't bat, can't bowl and can't field' article before the 86/87 Ashes series. [Post edited 14 Nov 13:02]
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| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:05 - Nov 14 with 2774 views | plasmahoop |
Unfortunately much as as I would love us to win it , I really can't see it. I think starc and Hazelwood will rattle through our batting line up pretty easily. I do like what stokes and mccullum have done with the team in general though. Before they took over it was something like one win in seventeen tests and dull as dishwater cricket. The home series'against India and the previous ashes were absolutely brilliant to watch. But sadly, while they may be old, the Australian side is still damn good. And if we don't play a spinner that isn't going to work. Not too sure why leach isn't in the squad at least. Hopefully I'm wrong and we can pull off a shock win | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:09 - Nov 14 with 2760 views | daveB |
Hopefully it will be a great series, England need to win the first test really, if Australia get ahead it will probably be a hammering again
England rarley win in Australia whether they play multiple games in preperation or just a few so why not try something different |  | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:22 - Nov 14 with 2715 views | SydneyRs |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 08:46 - Nov 14 by BrisbaneHoop |
South Africa beat Aus in Aus 3 times in last 25 years Sydney R. 2016/7, 2012/3 and 2008/9. 👍👍👍👍👍 |
Well there you go. I remember the first one of those but no memory of the others. Probably coincides with the arrival of Netflix etc and many alternatives to free to air TV.
I was never much of a cricket fan when living in England and aside from taking a bit more interest when I had little choice after first moving here, have clearly paid little attention for quite a long time. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:33 - Nov 14 with 2681 views | flynnbo |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:22 - Nov 14 by SydneyRs |
Well there you go. I remember the first one of those but no memory of the others. Probably coincides with the arrival of Netflix etc and many alternatives to free to air TV.
I was never much of a cricket fan when living in England and aside from taking a bit more interest when I had little choice after first moving here, have clearly paid little attention for quite a long time. |
Are we talking series victories or individual Tests here? |  | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:47 - Nov 14 with 2637 views | GaryBannister86 |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:09 - Nov 14 by daveB |
Hopefully it will be a great series, England need to win the first test really, if Australia get ahead it will probably be a hammering again
England rarley win in Australia whether they play multiple games in preperation or just a few so why not try something different |
Yes, it is important that it is a great series. Heard an Aussie commentator saying that although they love hammering us over there of course, there hasn't actually been an epic Ashes series in Australia (or even a close-fought one, 2010 and 1986 were actually one-way traffic to us) for....well he couldn't name one. Whereas we've had 2005 and the last one at home which were both classics.
Was a fair point I thought, as a Test match lover. So I am hoping for 3-2 us! | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 13:43 - Nov 14 with 2541 views | stowmarketrange |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:47 - Nov 14 by GaryBannister86 |
Yes, it is important that it is a great series. Heard an Aussie commentator saying that although they love hammering us over there of course, there hasn't actually been an epic Ashes series in Australia (or even a close-fought one, 2010 and 1986 were actually one-way traffic to us) for....well he couldn't name one. Whereas we've had 2005 and the last one at home which were both classics.
Was a fair point I thought, as a Test match lover. So I am hoping for 3-2 us! |
Although the 4-0 score line suggests otherwise,the 2017-18 series was close at times.We lost the first two tests quite easily,but we could’ve escaped from the WACA with a draw if it wasn’t for the leaf blowers turning the pitch into a spinners dream.
Cook’s double hundred should’ve won us the game at the MCG,but the Aussies managed to hold out for the draw.
We were going well in the Sydney test until heat exhaustion done for Joe Root and a few others were already on the plane home.
Clutching at straws I guess. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 14:20 - Nov 14 with 2498 views | daveB |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:47 - Nov 14 by GaryBannister86 |
Yes, it is important that it is a great series. Heard an Aussie commentator saying that although they love hammering us over there of course, there hasn't actually been an epic Ashes series in Australia (or even a close-fought one, 2010 and 1986 were actually one-way traffic to us) for....well he couldn't name one. Whereas we've had 2005 and the last one at home which were both classics.
Was a fair point I thought, as a Test match lover. So I am hoping for 3-2 us! |
The ideal is you go into the 5th test with it level or England 2-1 up so it's all on that game. That would be great although if England win 5-0 I won't be complaining | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 14:48 - Nov 14 with 2455 views | qpr1976 |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 12:09 - Nov 14 by daveB |
Hopefully it will be a great series, England need to win the first test really, if Australia get ahead it will probably be a hammering again
England rarley win in Australia whether they play multiple games in preperation or just a few so why not try something different |
Our last Ashes win in Oz, 2010/11 (1-3), preparation was 3 matches prior to the 1st Test and another between the 2nd & 3rd Test, which resulted in 3 Tests wins by an innings.
To play just a 3 day warm up match v our Reserves (basically), is like having an ice lolly ahead of an arctic expedition. Our bowling is frail, Wood is already struggling.
I hope your right Dave and certainly the 1st Test will be vital.
I'll be there for Adelaide & Melbourne and hope it'll be a cracking series with England victorious. Oh and I Really hope Root makes a Century or 5 | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 15:47 - Nov 14 with 2368 views | loftus77 |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 11:50 - Nov 14 by CamberleyR |
Actually nearly 40 years ago Johnson wrote the 'can't bat, can't bowl and can't field' article before the 86/87 Ashes series. [Post edited 14 Nov 13:02]
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OMG!! My maths - this is what age does to you. Yep, you're spot on. | | | |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 17:00 - Nov 14 with 2269 views | daveB |
| The Ashes - England to win ??? on 14:48 - Nov 14 by qpr1976 |
Our last Ashes win in Oz, 2010/11 (1-3), preparation was 3 matches prior to the 1st Test and another between the 2nd & 3rd Test, which resulted in 3 Tests wins by an innings.
To play just a 3 day warm up match v our Reserves (basically), is like having an ice lolly ahead of an arctic expedition. Our bowling is frail, Wood is already struggling.
I hope your right Dave and certainly the 1st Test will be vital.
I'll be there for Adelaide & Melbourne and hope it'll be a cracking series with England victorious. Oh and I Really hope Root makes a Century or 5 |
That was a long time ago thgough, we've done similar before and since and been hammered | | | |
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