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Showed he has what it takes again today, I felt. Really impressive from a 20 year old. Super sharp touch, great one touch link play and he's so strong.
Interesting to see which players looked comfortable at that level generally.
Sadly Kone looked out of his depth all game.
Thought Dunne did well but then go horribly exposed by Summerville for their second.
For me Madsen looks like a Premership class centre mid. Stood out all game as our Rolls Royce player.
Smyth was the big surprise IMO. Really held his own. Was pretty magnificent.
I would suggest that Les Ferdinand was anything but a volatile young talent.
He just struggled to get ahead of quality strikers such as Trevor Francis, Mark Falco, Johhny Byrne and Roy Wegerle.
All great strikers, Brian. But Byrne had long gone when Howe took over, he replaced Francis and Wegerle was in a different class then.
No, Howe - according to Ferdinand - told Les he saw Falco and Colin Clarke as fighting for the 9 shirt, so Les should look elsewhere for his career. I thought Howe was a great coach, but he was wrong (at least with Clarke), and when Clarke went the next season, Les started scoring in the back end before Gerry came in. Sliding doors.
You're right, though, Les wasn't volatile. Poor adjective. But he was green, inexperienced - a bit like Rayan, maybe.
"If this is not your hill to die on, why is this your 6th post on the matter?"
Because I think you're being overly dramatic, it's a QPR messageboard, my work is quiet today so I am browsing, and I can offer an alternative opinion, based on 3D reality contradicting you. Are only pitchfork posts allowed on this thread?
I'm just going to add that since I first read on here in November about the famous training ground bust up where apparently Kolli was told he'd never play for QPR again, he has in fact played 13 times for QPR. So I wonder how much weight those words held, and why this bust-up has been pulled back up into the discussion praising his goals and all-round play from Saturday. All feels a bit Grievance Park Rangers.
All great strikers, Brian. But Byrne had long gone when Howe took over, he replaced Francis and Wegerle was in a different class then.
No, Howe - according to Ferdinand - told Les he saw Falco and Colin Clarke as fighting for the 9 shirt, so Les should look elsewhere for his career. I thought Howe was a great coach, but he was wrong (at least with Clarke), and when Clarke went the next season, Les started scoring in the back end before Gerry came in. Sliding doors.
You're right, though, Les wasn't volatile. Poor adjective. But he was green, inexperienced - a bit like Rayan, maybe.
I wasn't talking about the Howe era, TK, I was talking about strikers ahead of Ferdinand in the few years before Ferdinand broke through.
Fair enough otherwise.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I definitely disagree on the first paragraph, and so do the club who have signed up to plenty of safeguarding legislation which demands transparency. An extreme example, but so does the Sheldon report.
POINT 2
I never said the club have a reputations for bullying youngsters, just that if senior staff are verbally or physically abusing 19 year olds in canteens, we soon will. I do know though, whether it's true or not, that some parents of young players at QPR believe it did.
If no such incident took place, great and fine. Would love to see a denial in that light the next time Nourry or Williams speak at a forum or to a journalist though.
POINT 3
When he was competing against those players, he had the best goal per minute ratio at the club. Since overtaken by the Burrell, i'll admit. But he justified his selection and didn't even make the bench, or the DS squad. If it's not because of ability, it's not because of injury, it's political.
POINT 4
Recency bias. 19 appearances mean nothing if the average appearance is 8 minutes long.
POINT 5
If this is not your hill to die on, why is this your 6th post on the matter?
Did someone scream libel?!?!
Steady now...... there'll be posts dissappearing before you know it.
Returning to the nub of the matter and interesting that "early Sir Les" has been brought up here. It's great - one promising striker late 80's told "you'll never make it here" - he made it and then some. Fast forward 40 years and if history repeats then that is the happiest of happy days.
I've been behind Kolli for day one, I'll continue to be a big fan as you can see he's got it about him. I'll admit, at this moment in his career, he might look a real struggler in a struggling team, but put him in a fit and effecient outfit he'll make his mark.
And that's a wrap.
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
Steady now...... there'll be posts dissappearing before you know it.
Returning to the nub of the matter and interesting that "early Sir Les" has been brought up here. It's great - one promising striker late 80's told "you'll never make it here" - he made it and then some. Fast forward 40 years and if history repeats then that is the happiest of happy days.
I've been behind Kolli for day one, I'll continue to be a big fan as you can see he's got it about him. I'll admit, at this moment in his career, he might look a real struggler in a struggling team, but put him in a fit and effecient outfit he'll make his mark.
And that's a wrap.
Nothing to do with me, but I think your post got deleted because you abused another poster.
On Kolli, for once I agree with you on every word. You can count on one hand how many Championship players we've had that scored 1 in 2.
I've probably been guilty of being excessively harsh on Kolli, but beyond the goals (which we all know he can do) that was a massive step forwards in terms of all round performance. Real big efforts off the ball, both going forwards and backwards, and yielded great results for him. Loved it
All great strikers, Brian. But Byrne had long gone when Howe took over, he replaced Francis and Wegerle was in a different class then.
No, Howe - according to Ferdinand - told Les he saw Falco and Colin Clarke as fighting for the 9 shirt, so Les should look elsewhere for his career. I thought Howe was a great coach, but he was wrong (at least with Clarke), and when Clarke went the next season, Les started scoring in the back end before Gerry came in. Sliding doors.
You're right, though, Les wasn't volatile. Poor adjective. But he was green, inexperienced - a bit like Rayan, maybe.
I thought it was Gerry that sent him to Turkey on loan? I'm sure I listened to a podcast where Les said that move was a key point for his career.
By all accounts Kolli rejected a loan move earlier at QPR, maybe this is where all the animosity has come from?
Looking at a replay of his goal Kone was doing his nut before it went in, as he (and probably all the Portsmouth players) thought the pass was on.
Great finish though! Makes the team really hard to pick now if everyone was fit.
It was Jim Smith, three years before Gerry joined. August 1988.
Never seen this before, outstanding goal (at about 2’10”) in the first leg of the Turkish Cup Final against Toni Schumacher and Fenerbahce. Why wasn’t he playing for us with this ability?
Never seen this before, outstanding goal (at about 2’10”) in the first leg of the Turkish Cup Final against Toni Schumacher and Fenerbahce. Why wasn’t he playing for us with this ability?
What a great find that is, Sheener.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
All great strikers, Brian. But Byrne had long gone when Howe took over, he replaced Francis and Wegerle was in a different class then.
No, Howe - according to Ferdinand - told Les he saw Falco and Colin Clarke as fighting for the 9 shirt, so Les should look elsewhere for his career. I thought Howe was a great coach, but he was wrong (at least with Clarke), and when Clarke went the next season, Les started scoring in the back end before Gerry came in. Sliding doors.
You're right, though, Les wasn't volatile. Poor adjective. But he was green, inexperienced - a bit like Rayan, maybe.
In Les's early days in the first team, I took a Liverpool-supporting friend to LR to see them play Liverpool. My friend asked 'Who's that No 9? He looks good.' I replied 'It's Les Ferdinand. He could be good if he wasn't so laid back'.
Never seen this before, outstanding goal (at about 2’10”) in the first leg of the Turkish Cup Final against Toni Schumacher and Fenerbahce. Why wasn’t he playing for us with this ability?
Great find, never seen that before. The first part of that goal was so classic Sir Les in his QPR days.
He confounds me. He is very good, and very exciting, getting the ball facing goal with some space ahead of him, 35 yards out. But I'm genuinely not sure he's actually any good at anything else.
I'd want more games before trusting the stats. I thought Joe Lumley looked like a walking catastrophe from the start, but for his first half season as a regular here his stats were amazing.
Great find, never seen that before. The first part of that goal was so classic Sir Les in his QPR days.
Helped by the Tango ball, but I think that’s his best goal ever. Burst through some evil tackles, then a lovely trick and a cool finish. You’d think it was from the great days of Football Italia.
He confounds me. He is very good, and very exciting, getting the ball facing goal with some space ahead of him, 35 yards out. But I'm genuinely not sure he's actually any good at anything else.
I'd want more games before trusting the stats. I thought Joe Lumley looked like a walking catastrophe from the start, but for his first half season as a regular here his stats were amazing.
Few times since Christmas - West Ham, Birmingham and Saturday - he's brought the ball down with back to goal under real pressure in midfield and spread it wide well. That's big improvement and suggests he's heading in the right direction.
He confounds me. He is very good, and very exciting, getting the ball facing goal with some space ahead of him, 35 yards out. But I'm genuinely not sure he's actually any good at anything else.
I'd want more games before trusting the stats. I thought Joe Lumley looked like a walking catastrophe from the start, but for his first half season as a regular here his stats were amazing.
I mostly agree with this, but thought on Saturday his all round game was much improved.
He also did some really good aggressive pressing. Admittedly he then got on all fours and looked like a cat about to be sick, but he did it
He confounds me. He is very good, and very exciting, getting the ball facing goal with some space ahead of him, 35 yards out. But I'm genuinely not sure he's actually any good at anything else.
I'd want more games before trusting the stats. I thought Joe Lumley looked like a walking catastrophe from the start, but for his first half season as a regular here his stats were amazing.
It’s less about trusting the stats, and more about trusting the eyes. But obviously we all see the game differently. Yet it still should be fairly obvious that the type of goals Kolli has scored is not some random act of football. Requires extreme technical talent to execute. That alone speaks for itself.
But I do understand the “in and out” of games criticism. Eze also was the same, it’s worth remembering. Young players, especially more flair players, need to play to gain that game understanding and consistency. His hold up and approach play is actually a top part of his game, but he has rarely shown it.
Sometimes he is actually too fast for his teammates but his execution is off. He has the intelligence to play 1-2 touch, but sometimes fails to complete the pass.. yet the idea is there. Just needs to slow down, make the right decisions more, when to hold, when to lay it first time, when to dribble etc.
For a guy that has only just passed the 20 game equivalent mark (assuming the club will do the same academy to first team dressing room initiation ceremony given to Morgan), his 14 G/A return is elite. He’s hardly played. 10 mins here and there doesn’t do a lot for his development.
But the technical talent is all there, he has it in spades, just needs regular game time to pull it all together and get used to the level. A top talent and there is a LOT more to come.
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