| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:24 - Jan 14 with 1504 views | hoopedmonkey |
If enough existing bond holders apply with their current bond does this mean that they are rolling over the debt? |  | |  |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:33 - Jan 14 with 1441 views | QPR_Jim |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:11 - Jan 14 by nix |
Isn’t the point though that the Chelsea puppy farm can only hoover them up because they’re Cat 1 and we’re not so they just have to give pennies in compensation but it’s not so easy if we’re Cat 1 too? Might be wrong here though, can someone clarify?
Incidentally got chatting to a guy who turned out to be a QPR Academy coach who said we’ve got at least one very promising U9 player but because of the Cat 1/2 issue we’d probably lose him within the next couple of years. |
I think it's just more expensive if you're poaching cat1 to cat1, but can still be poached.
I think the thought process before was that if a big club comes in for a youth player they're going to leave for the name of the club as much as the facilities. Unless you support QPR I guess it's better to tell people you were at Arsenal's academy than QPR regardless of which category it is, so does make some sense. But at the time our youth team operated out of an old facility rented from a college so not sure how they could conclude it was the draw of the big club rather than the much better facilities that was causing people to decide to leave.
Good news though and well done to the club for committing. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:48 - Jan 14 with 1328 views | TacticalR |
I don't know if people remember the interview LFW did with Paul Hall a couple of years ago? Hall seemed convinced that Cat 1 academies weren't the be-all and end-all, but maybe he was making the best of the situation we were in?
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:55 - Jan 14 with 1297 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:11 - Jan 14 by nix |
Isn’t the point though that the Chelsea puppy farm can only hoover them up because they’re Cat 1 and we’re not so they just have to give pennies in compensation but it’s not so easy if we’re Cat 1 too? Might be wrong here though, can someone clarify?
Incidentally got chatting to a guy who turned out to be a QPR Academy coach who said we’ve got at least one very promising U9 player but because of the Cat 1/2 issue we’d probably lose him within the next couple of years. |
I'm sure I heard Les or Lee break it down once, maybe it was the golf day where they fired Warburton! ;p
I don't think the minimums were life changing.
If that U9 wants to go to Crystal Palace, because they promised his Mum a new car, or a flat closer to the training ground then that kind of business will still happen.
I think QPR might be £50k instead of $10k though, it wasn't millions of pounds if i recall.
But, the difference in running a Cat1 was millions (think we need to build an indoor dome pitch (or have perm access to one) for example. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:56 - Jan 14 with 1292 views | BrizR |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:46 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Hoos was the CEO. If - if - Ferdinand ever did tell the owners not to bother with Cat 1, Hoos could surely have overruled him. We have no way of knowing what the internal discussions were between the owners, CEO and DOF.
Alex Carroll stated that the training ground would have the infrastructure for the upgrade in the future, so not sure there's any need for an expensive retrofit.
The second article states that Cat 1 has been part of staged plans all along.
https://www.westlondonsport.co
https://archive.trainingground |
Yeah, I think the WLS article is key here as it suggests the facilities are fit for purpose, it's all the jobs you need that we don't currently have.
I wonder if a big part of it was that we were already employing a lot of people in academy roles which didn't map to the cat 1 requirements, and couldn't/didn't want to bring in further people who did? Would then make some further sense of the big clear-out a while back. | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:02 - Jan 14 with 1272 views | TK1 |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:21 - Jan 14 by daveB |
I've heard Les Ferdinand and Lee Hoos say in the past there was no real advantage to going cat 1 which i always found a bit odd |
It was more often from Hoos than Ferdinand. Had strong echoes of Hoos' arguments against both safe standing in the Loft (digging out old stats and videos to try and say it was never that full or raucous, as if we weren't there when it was) and against the club renaming Ellerslie Road as Stanley Bowles Stand, then insisting the club couldn't fund it. Both turned out to be really good ideas, of course - the Loft is unrecognisable due entirely to safe standing, completely contradicting his argument.
He could be a really stubborn old goat about really odd points of principle. No doubt can still be so in his retirement as ever-present chairman. | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:29 - Jan 14 with 1162 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Just for once can we embrace good news rather than embark on a forensic investigation of who said what back when. It was a different time, with different ownership model, and different board with different aims. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:49 - Jan 14 with 1096 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:27 - Jan 14 by lassel |
At the risk of finding negative in the positive, it’s frustrating that they could’ve done this when building Heston from the ground up only to now need an expensive retrofit because Ferdinand told the owners not to bother |
They have old buildings on the site that will be upgraded, so it's not a case of being more expensive.
It's a huge plus for the club and us.
And we get to enter the EFL Cup. More games! | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:50 - Jan 14 with 1091 views | dmm |
Can anyone outline what additional infrastructure/facilities are needed at the training ground for us to qualify for Cat 1? |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:52 - Jan 14 with 1081 views | Northernr |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:50 - Jan 14 by dmm |
Can anyone outline what additional infrastructure/facilities are needed at the training ground for us to qualify for Cat 1? |
I'll await correction but the costs that we've felt prohibitive previously, I believe, are the need for an indoor training facility/dome (not sure if the one we use over the road at Cranford counts) and staffed accommodation block. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:54 - Jan 14 with 1067 views | Northernr |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:49 - Jan 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
They have old buildings on the site that will be upgraded, so it's not a case of being more expensive.
It's a huge plus for the club and us.
And we get to enter the EFL Cup. More games! |
I'd be interested to know which ones. I thought on my last visit everything bar the new development had been flattened now, might be wrong. | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:03 - Jan 14 with 1033 views | EastR |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:49 - Jan 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
They have old buildings on the site that will be upgraded, so it's not a case of being more expensive.
It's a huge plus for the club and us.
And we get to enter the EFL Cup. More games! |
We get to enter the EFL cup. One more game! | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:05 - Jan 14 with 1013 views | Hunterhoop |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:03 - Jan 14 by EastR |
We get to enter the EFL cup. One more game! |
Does this present the possibility that the Youth team could go by other in the League Cup than the first team? It would be very QPR… |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:16 - Jan 14 with 954 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:54 - Jan 14 by Northernr |
I'd be interested to know which ones. I thought on my last visit everything bar the new development had been flattened now, might be wrong. |
I'm sure in an interview a while back they said buildings were available to upgrade for accommodation should they decide to go Cat 1. | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:27 - Jan 14 with 912 views | Northernr |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:16 - Jan 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I'm sure in an interview a while back they said buildings were available to upgrade for accommodation should they decide to go Cat 1. |
Unless the blocks of flats before you get to the entrance are part of it I genuinely think all the buildings that were on the site, other than the new one we've built, have gone now. You go into the car park, there's a little cabin and a barrier and a guest car park, then you walk up a track to the player car park and entrance where all the old Concord Club buildings used to be but are no longer.
If they ever let me back in the place I'll look again. | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:36 - Jan 14 with 870 views | Third_Division_South |
I’m sure when I did the training ground visit the guy who took us round said that there were plans in place to build an indoor/dome facility once space was made available on the site. | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:42 - Jan 14 with 845 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:36 - Jan 14 by Third_Division_South |
I’m sure when I did the training ground visit the guy who took us round said that there were plans in place to build an indoor/dome facility once space was made available on the site. |
Definitely.
They stated it publicly that we'd build our own. |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 17:30 - Jan 14 with 629 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 15:42 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Definitely.
They stated it publicly that we'd build our own. |
After years of renting Heston I think they've made a strategic decision to "own" our infrastructure, which can only be a good thing. | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 17:40 - Jan 14 with 581 views | derbyhoop |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:50 - Jan 14 by dmm |
Can anyone outline what additional infrastructure/facilities are needed at the training ground for us to qualify for Cat 1? |
Call.me cynical but the announcement is all about the "potential" benefits and nothing about what else we need to upgrade, nor the additional costs involved. Both the capital and ongoing spending. I recall a meeting years ago, when a director of FTSE 250 company pulled our manager to pieces over lack of detail in a proposal.
Others have added some of the additional information, re covered pitch and accommodation, although nobody has even guessed at the costs.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'd just need more than jam tomorrow promises before committing any isubstantial nvestment |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 19:18 - Jan 14 with 444 views | 1JD |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 14:50 - Jan 14 by dmm |
Can anyone outline what additional infrastructure/facilities are needed at the training ground for us to qualify for Cat 1? |
Only the Dome, which has always been planned for the phase 2 works.
Re accommodation, that’s a myth, it doesn’t have to be an on site club dorm but must meet basic safeguarding and proximity standards. It’s mainly housing overseas players.
Club have eyed this for some time. Yet Hoos was staunch against it, fortunately, hes been out voted this time - long overdue, and rightly so.
Upgrading to Cat 1 is mainly extra wage-related annual costs, like mandatory physios and performance analysts for every age group, that is the bulk. Doesn’t amount to millions. Main investment is the one-time capital outlay for the Dome, which won’t be cheap. [Post edited 14 Jan 19:20]
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:18 - Jan 14 with 256 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 19:18 - Jan 14 by 1JD |
Only the Dome, which has always been planned for the phase 2 works.
Re accommodation, that’s a myth, it doesn’t have to be an on site club dorm but must meet basic safeguarding and proximity standards. It’s mainly housing overseas players.
Club have eyed this for some time. Yet Hoos was staunch against it, fortunately, hes been out voted this time - long overdue, and rightly so.
Upgrading to Cat 1 is mainly extra wage-related annual costs, like mandatory physios and performance analysts for every age group, that is the bulk. Doesn’t amount to millions. Main investment is the one-time capital outlay for the Dome, which won’t be cheap. [Post edited 14 Jan 19:20]
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Good info on the infrastructure and spending, thanks 1JD.
I won't comment on who voted for or against it as I don't think we can really know that.
Good to know that we only need the dome. A similar one in Galway cost €3.1m five years ago. As GAA pitches are bigger, then there should be a saving there, though inflation and London-weighting may balance that out to some degree. | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:28 - Jan 14 with 228 views | Hunterhoop |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:18 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good info on the infrastructure and spending, thanks 1JD.
I won't comment on who voted for or against it as I don't think we can really know that.
Good to know that we only need the dome. A similar one in Galway cost €3.1m five years ago. As GAA pitches are bigger, then there should be a saving there, though inflation and London-weighting may balance that out to some degree. |
And the cost won’t impact PSR, as far as I’m aware, and Ruben will, you’d hope, convert it the debt to equity again, so, in effect, it’s basically of no commercial impact to the club. That’s why he’s an owner I would be very wary seeing replaced… | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:29 - Jan 14 with 228 views | 1JD |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:18 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good info on the infrastructure and spending, thanks 1JD.
I won't comment on who voted for or against it as I don't think we can really know that.
Good to know that we only need the dome. A similar one in Galway cost €3.1m five years ago. As GAA pitches are bigger, then there should be a saving there, though inflation and London-weighting may balance that out to some degree. |
I’ve posted on here before about the plans for category 1. It’s been in the works for some time. But it’s fair to say Hoos was not a proponent of it. Owners always been willing. Nourry, with a different perspective, and likely data-driven, or analytical-backed (as the decision should be), has helped get this over the line. Rightly so… rather than Hoos’ wild entrenched opinion that so he so often doubled down on. (And was later proven wrong) | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:38 - Jan 14 with 191 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:29 - Jan 14 by 1JD |
I’ve posted on here before about the plans for category 1. It’s been in the works for some time. But it’s fair to say Hoos was not a proponent of it. Owners always been willing. Nourry, with a different perspective, and likely data-driven, or analytical-backed (as the decision should be), has helped get this over the line. Rightly so… rather than Hoos’ wild entrenched opinion that so he so often doubled down on. (And was later proven wrong) |
I agree that it's been in the works for some time. I've posted that earlier in the thread.
Three to five years based on articles I posted.
I just have no truck with rumours, as unless we were in these meetings we don't know who voted for or against. We do know - I completely agree - that Hoos was not a proponent in public of Cat 1, but we have no idea who decided that, and who was toeing the line. | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:39 - Jan 14 with 181 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 21:28 - Jan 14 by Hunterhoop |
And the cost won’t impact PSR, as far as I’m aware, and Ruben will, you’d hope, convert it the debt to equity again, so, in effect, it’s basically of no commercial impact to the club. That’s why he’s an owner I would be very wary seeing replaced… |
Last I read, it didn't affect PSR.
It's great news either way. | |
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