| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford 09:39 - Jan 20 with 24969 views | E17hoop |
Someone had to start it.
I just reread Clive's match report for the home game and asked myself why I'm going to this again tonight.
Bare bones, DS players filling the bench, Handsome Ronnie back? He's bound to score in the 1-0 win. |  |
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| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 00:13 - Jan 21 with 1039 views | JamesB1979 |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 22:42 - Jan 20 by DieByYourSide |
Poor game, obviously.
But people really expect that much more from the last two matches with the players we can put on the pitch? Apparently so.
Reasons why availability is so scratchy is a different debate clearly but we're without our top scorer, our most creative player, two expensive new wingers.
Not exactly surprising we're struggling to put the ball in the back of the net - even though we could've nicked that.
5pts from last 9. Keep ploughing on and doing as best we can until we can bring in reinforcements/unleash the dogs of war... [Post edited 20 Jan 22:44]
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The first team we put out should be good enough. Most wanted Hayden over Varane as an example. Kolli was poor against Stoke but for the love of God, Bennie has absolutely no anticipation as a striker. Hes like Dykes but without the physicality. We have to play a centre back who can progress out of defence. We have a bloody good one on the bench but he’s apparently not “match fit”. 🤦♂️ |  | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 00:16 - Jan 21 with 1015 views | mart_Goblin |
Hmm.
Strange feeling.
Not conceding goals . Look well organised etc.
But since boxing Day, I’ve been a bit lost on what to say after each league game since .
In truth, the performances and the actual quality of both teams in most games right now, are sucking the life and enthusiasm out of me.
Read someone say that West Brom are 3 points from the relegation zone . The 3 points that we tossed to them you mean? That Christmas period was a real strange one looking back and we haven’t regained any sort of pattern of play or form .
I don’t know . There is no crisis and we have certainly been in much worse form . And even if we were losing games etc, then there is more to life than football blah blah blah.
But something just doesn’t feel quite right at the moment and can’t really put my finger on it .
More important than any of that waffle is wishing Young Esquerdinha a quick recovery and my best wishes. Looked awful and he looked in distress obviously and understandably devastated.
Let’s hope it’s not as bad as it looked. |  | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 06:37 - Jan 21 with 738 views | DieByYourSide |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 00:13 - Jan 21 by JamesB1979 |
The first team we put out should be good enough. Most wanted Hayden over Varane as an example. Kolli was poor against Stoke but for the love of God, Bennie has absolutely no anticipation as a striker. Hes like Dykes but without the physicality. We have to play a centre back who can progress out of defence. We have a bloody good one on the bench but he’s apparently not “match fit”. 🤦♂️ |
We were the only ones threatening in the first half when it looked like it would be good enough to get ahead and win. Of course I hoped and expected we could get three points with how limited the opposition were.
But we lost our way second half in crap conditions against a team fighting for their lives with a (very average admittedly) new manager - two teams on the pitch.
And still could've easily nicked it.
The first team we put out is all we have left. They're the ones who were fighting til the 120th minute at West Ham and were digging in for another away point a few days ago under the cosh at Stoke.
WHICH we also almost nicked in the last minute with Esquerdinha crossing for Adamson (I mean ffs does that not tell you everything?)
We're not meekly submitting to another 6 game losing streak, and we're only 3 points off the playoffs.
On Bennie, that's his second ever start at this level and it showed but he applied himself pretty well, brought some energy and showed some nice touches - again a couple of inches away from getting the winner.
That's football. [Post edited 21 Jan 6:42]
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| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 07:24 - Jan 21 with 612 views | dmm |
WLS player ratings can be a bit weird at the best of times but to give Smyth 5, the lowest mark of any player, is really bizarre: https://www.westlondonsport.co
He was our best attacker. |  | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 07:41 - Jan 21 with 556 views | Gus_iom |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 00:16 - Jan 21 by mart_Goblin |
Hmm.
Strange feeling.
Not conceding goals . Look well organised etc.
But since boxing Day, I’ve been a bit lost on what to say after each league game since .
In truth, the performances and the actual quality of both teams in most games right now, are sucking the life and enthusiasm out of me.
Read someone say that West Brom are 3 points from the relegation zone . The 3 points that we tossed to them you mean? That Christmas period was a real strange one looking back and we haven’t regained any sort of pattern of play or form .
I don’t know . There is no crisis and we have certainly been in much worse form . And even if we were losing games etc, then there is more to life than football blah blah blah.
But something just doesn’t feel quite right at the moment and can’t really put my finger on it .
More important than any of that waffle is wishing Young Esquerdinha a quick recovery and my best wishes. Looked awful and he looked in distress obviously and understandably devastated.
Let’s hope it’s not as bad as it looked. |
The straw I'm grasping is that being hard to beat is a phase we have to go through as we prepare for a proper attempt at the play-offs next season. The George Graham way of 'start with the defense'.
Do we look fit enough? Someone who knows a bit about this sort of thing has been questioning it all season, and we got very ragged again in the second half.
Inverted wingers? I'll join Hunterhoop on that, it's a no for me. How many times do our wingers have to not cut in and score for this to be abandoned?
The plus points...I thought Bennie did well enough, showed good energy. Walsh is looking like a real positive, comnands his box better then the other options, was quick to spot danger some accurate distribution.
Galling for Esquerdinah. He was looking very comfortable and linking up well in attack. Fingers crossed for him. | |
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| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 07:43 - Jan 21 with 550 views | JamesB1979 |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 06:37 - Jan 21 by DieByYourSide |
We were the only ones threatening in the first half when it looked like it would be good enough to get ahead and win. Of course I hoped and expected we could get three points with how limited the opposition were.
But we lost our way second half in crap conditions against a team fighting for their lives with a (very average admittedly) new manager - two teams on the pitch.
And still could've easily nicked it.
The first team we put out is all we have left. They're the ones who were fighting til the 120th minute at West Ham and were digging in for another away point a few days ago under the cosh at Stoke.
WHICH we also almost nicked in the last minute with Esquerdinha crossing for Adamson (I mean ffs does that not tell you everything?)
We're not meekly submitting to another 6 game losing streak, and we're only 3 points off the playoffs.
On Bennie, that's his second ever start at this level and it showed but he applied himself pretty well, brought some energy and showed some nice touches - again a couple of inches away from getting the winner.
That's football. [Post edited 21 Jan 6:42]
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I have never faulted the effort of this squad. But I am allowed to question what I see on the pitch. I think you are being very generous to say that Oxford were fighting for their lives….they should be but if I was an Oxford fan I would’ve been fuming at effort and quality from most of their team. You can blame conditions for long balls from back that went wrong but not 5 yard passes on the ground that went into touch or miscontrolling it. Of course we should all be pretty happy with the league position but last night was bad…..as was Stoke. They had a week off after West Ham. Madsen has played almost every minute and he is performing from ok to good. I think we were good vs West Ham and superb against Leicester but the other games in between have not been good. I really don’t think 2 up front away from home is working.
On Bennie….he had 2 chances just like that and was flat footed. That’s instinct no? Or lack of. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 07:54 - Jan 21 with 520 views | daveB |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 07:24 - Jan 21 by dmm |
WLS player ratings can be a bit weird at the best of times but to give Smyth 5, the lowest mark of any player, is really bizarre: https://www.westlondonsport.co
He was our best attacker. |
I'm never good at match ratings but I'm not sure how anyone gets higher than a 5 in that game |  | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:35 - Jan 21 with 411 views | nix |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 07:43 - Jan 21 by JamesB1979 |
I have never faulted the effort of this squad. But I am allowed to question what I see on the pitch. I think you are being very generous to say that Oxford were fighting for their lives….they should be but if I was an Oxford fan I would’ve been fuming at effort and quality from most of their team. You can blame conditions for long balls from back that went wrong but not 5 yard passes on the ground that went into touch or miscontrolling it. Of course we should all be pretty happy with the league position but last night was bad…..as was Stoke. They had a week off after West Ham. Madsen has played almost every minute and he is performing from ok to good. I think we were good vs West Ham and superb against Leicester but the other games in between have not been good. I really don’t think 2 up front away from home is working.
On Bennie….he had 2 chances just like that and was flat footed. That’s instinct no? Or lack of. |
I agree it wasn’t good. I agree there were things lacking. I agree that we are allowed to be disappointed and frustrated.
However I’m a bit surprised at how angry most people seem to be. The last three seasons have been dire pretty much most of the time with the odd highlight in the sense that we spent much of them worrying about relegation. We also lost so many matches at LR that I actually got fitter because when we lose I trudge that much faster and walk a bit further rather than get the bus etc.
This season at least on here and less at matches we seem to have lost any ability to be philosophical, see any positives and pull together. Is it just the Martí factor? He’s a charismatic character, pulled us out of a slump, but not the manager for the ages. I’m not sure he would have found the answer last night either. He’s struggling at Leicester really given the talent at his disposal; far higher quality in terms of experienced talent than we have.
There have always been a few posters on here who love to come on when we lose and love to point out when they were right about how we were going to lose and how we’re all going to hell in a hand cart. But I did used to feel there was a number of very balanced posters and a few happy clappers like me. These days it feels such an angry and negative place and I’m not quite sure why unless it’s just because people liked Martí.
It’s a shame because while not pulling up trees we’re in a better position than we’ve been for a long time. We’re still only three points from the play offs. We’ve got some good young players in. We haven’t been fighting relegation for most of the season.
Is it the Martí factor? Is it because the world is going pretty crazy and QPR is a way of channelling people’s fears and frustrations with the world? Is it because we’ve worn out our resilience over the last few seasons and we’ve got no patience left? Is it because everyone hates Christian Nourry so much it’s tainted everything about the club? Is it because everyone is getting older and age tends towards the negative. I’m not sure.
Because really we’ve on the whole got a decent manager who though limited seems to have the players on board and has got us playing some good football at times, with the odd quirk and the occasional mad decision. We’ve on the whole got a lot of players who work hard and are clesrly doing their best. Dunne, Cook, Madsen, Smyth, Burrell, Norrington Davies, Walsh, Kone all trying hard and sometimes working their bollocks off. Not all equal ability but all putting the effort in. We’ve got players wanting to come here when other options are available, like Burrell, Ronnie, Poku and Kone.
And yet I can’t remember ever seeing this place so angry and disillusioned. It’s a bit odd. [Post edited 21 Jan 9:06]
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| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:45 - Jan 21 with 365 views | derbyhoop |
Compared to the home game, that was positively exhilarating.
I thought we were more likely to win than lose it, but not to be. Bank another point and move on. |  |
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| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:46 - Jan 21 with 357 views | Watford_Ranger |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:35 - Jan 21 by nix |
I agree it wasn’t good. I agree there were things lacking. I agree that we are allowed to be disappointed and frustrated.
However I’m a bit surprised at how angry most people seem to be. The last three seasons have been dire pretty much most of the time with the odd highlight in the sense that we spent much of them worrying about relegation. We also lost so many matches at LR that I actually got fitter because when we lose I trudge that much faster and walk a bit further rather than get the bus etc.
This season at least on here and less at matches we seem to have lost any ability to be philosophical, see any positives and pull together. Is it just the Martí factor? He’s a charismatic character, pulled us out of a slump, but not the manager for the ages. I’m not sure he would have found the answer last night either. He’s struggling at Leicester really given the talent at his disposal; far higher quality in terms of experienced talent than we have.
There have always been a few posters on here who love to come on when we lose and love to point out when they were right about how we were going to lose and how we’re all going to hell in a hand cart. But I did used to feel there was a number of very balanced posters and a few happy clappers like me. These days it feels such an angry and negative place and I’m not quite sure why unless it’s just because people liked Martí.
It’s a shame because while not pulling up trees we’re in a better position than we’ve been for a long time. We’re still only three points from the play offs. We’ve got some good young players in. We haven’t been fighting relegation for most of the season.
Is it the Martí factor? Is it because the world is going pretty crazy and QPR is a way of channelling people’s fears and frustrations with the world? Is it because we’ve worn out our resilience over the last few seasons and we’ve got no patience left? Is it because everyone hates Christian Nourry so much it’s tainted everything about the club? Is it because everyone is getting older and age tends towards the negative. I’m not sure.
Because really we’ve on the whole got a decent manager who though limited seems to have the players on board and has got us playing some good football at times, with the odd quirk and the occasional mad decision. We’ve on the whole got a lot of players who work hard and are clesrly doing their best. Dunne, Cook, Madsen, Smyth, Burrell, Norrington Davies, Walsh, Kone all trying hard and sometimes working their bollocks off. Not all equal ability but all putting the effort in. We’ve got players wanting to come here when other options are available, like Burrell, Ronnie, Poku and Kone.
And yet I can’t remember ever seeing this place so angry and disillusioned. It’s a bit odd. [Post edited 21 Jan 9:06]
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I think it definitely has been much angrier and more disillusioned.
Those more ITK than I fancied us to really struggle and early on it seemed we would but there’s a decent squad here and money has been spent this season for not much return yet. It’s a dire league even compared to how dire it normally is and I sincerely believe we have it in us to nick sixth but lack the real will to do so in games like last night. You’ve got Hayden out there, 30, experienced, a supposed leader and I’m not seeing anything from him to get a grip of the game. Felt a bit for Kone by the time he was hooked but it was an all time Rangers forward performance Celar/Adam Czerkas/Ben Sahar would’ve thought a bit tame.
Injuries happen, but the extent of ours suggests something deeper either with the scouting or training/conditioning. That’s what will be the big reason we finish seven or eight points away from the playoffs. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:01 - Jan 21 with 292 views | nix |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:46 - Jan 21 by Watford_Ranger |
I think it definitely has been much angrier and more disillusioned.
Those more ITK than I fancied us to really struggle and early on it seemed we would but there’s a decent squad here and money has been spent this season for not much return yet. It’s a dire league even compared to how dire it normally is and I sincerely believe we have it in us to nick sixth but lack the real will to do so in games like last night. You’ve got Hayden out there, 30, experienced, a supposed leader and I’m not seeing anything from him to get a grip of the game. Felt a bit for Kone by the time he was hooked but it was an all time Rangers forward performance Celar/Adam Czerkas/Ben Sahar would’ve thought a bit tame.
Injuries happen, but the extent of ours suggests something deeper either with the scouting or training/conditioning. That’s what will be the big reason we finish seven or eight points away from the playoffs. |
Yeah I get that and I agree with all your points. There are issues with maybe scouting (although surely not particularly more so than the past, we’ve always had crocks and disappointing signings) and definitely conditioning. There’s a real dearth of quality in the league apart from maybe the top three teams this season so I get that too.
So I get disappointed and concerned. It’s just the furious and consistently negative I don’t really get.it doesn’t seem any worse than most times I can remember overall and better than many seasons. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:08 - Jan 21 with 265 views | JamesB1979 |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:35 - Jan 21 by nix |
I agree it wasn’t good. I agree there were things lacking. I agree that we are allowed to be disappointed and frustrated.
However I’m a bit surprised at how angry most people seem to be. The last three seasons have been dire pretty much most of the time with the odd highlight in the sense that we spent much of them worrying about relegation. We also lost so many matches at LR that I actually got fitter because when we lose I trudge that much faster and walk a bit further rather than get the bus etc.
This season at least on here and less at matches we seem to have lost any ability to be philosophical, see any positives and pull together. Is it just the Martí factor? He’s a charismatic character, pulled us out of a slump, but not the manager for the ages. I’m not sure he would have found the answer last night either. He’s struggling at Leicester really given the talent at his disposal; far higher quality in terms of experienced talent than we have.
There have always been a few posters on here who love to come on when we lose and love to point out when they were right about how we were going to lose and how we’re all going to hell in a hand cart. But I did used to feel there was a number of very balanced posters and a few happy clappers like me. These days it feels such an angry and negative place and I’m not quite sure why unless it’s just because people liked Martí.
It’s a shame because while not pulling up trees we’re in a better position than we’ve been for a long time. We’re still only three points from the play offs. We’ve got some good young players in. We haven’t been fighting relegation for most of the season.
Is it the Martí factor? Is it because the world is going pretty crazy and QPR is a way of channelling people’s fears and frustrations with the world? Is it because we’ve worn out our resilience over the last few seasons and we’ve got no patience left? Is it because everyone hates Christian Nourry so much it’s tainted everything about the club? Is it because everyone is getting older and age tends towards the negative. I’m not sure.
Because really we’ve on the whole got a decent manager who though limited seems to have the players on board and has got us playing some good football at times, with the odd quirk and the occasional mad decision. We’ve on the whole got a lot of players who work hard and are clesrly doing their best. Dunne, Cook, Madsen, Smyth, Burrell, Norrington Davies, Walsh, Kone all trying hard and sometimes working their bollocks off. Not all equal ability but all putting the effort in. We’ve got players wanting to come here when other options are available, like Burrell, Ronnie, Poku and Kone.
And yet I can’t remember ever seeing this place so angry and disillusioned. It’s a bit odd. [Post edited 21 Jan 9:06]
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Yes agree with what you say. Why I come here to read balanced posts like that. I am a bit of a nightmare after we get beat and need to be more balanced. I was tired last night and made me worse than felt I had to double down! But you’re right. But to answer your question I don’t think it’s Marti. I think it’s the money spent on the squad, which for me has made the squad significantly better than last season and also how we have gone from Birmingham and Leicester games to what we’ve witnessed at West Brom, vs Norwich, then Stoke and finally last night. The difference in performance is huge. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:23 - Jan 21 with 204 views | nix |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:08 - Jan 21 by JamesB1979 |
Yes agree with what you say. Why I come here to read balanced posts like that. I am a bit of a nightmare after we get beat and need to be more balanced. I was tired last night and made me worse than felt I had to double down! But you’re right. But to answer your question I don’t think it’s Marti. I think it’s the money spent on the squad, which for me has made the squad significantly better than last season and also how we have gone from Birmingham and Leicester games to what we’ve witnessed at West Brom, vs Norwich, then Stoke and finally last night. The difference in performance is huge. |
As i say I get the frustration and the disappointment the next day etc. I’m not saying people shouldn’t feel like that and don’t have to be balanced and rational 24/7.
It just seems more than that and it’s rage rather than normal disappointment and it’s not just after matches it seems to last longer and be more vitriolic.
But yes I get that we expect more because we’ve got a better squad but most of our best players didn’t start yesterday: Burrell, Poku, Saito, Chair, Varane, JCS (I know, I know), Ronnie all missing. Obviously that’s another question but it doesn’t explain why people are furious with the players that did play or the manager that’s missing the heart of his team. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:23 - Jan 21 with 203 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
I think the reason a lot of people are unhappy is that we can see this is a better squad than last season and a far weaker league. How on earth are we still only three points off the play-offs? We haven't played well since the Leicester game. Personally, not convinced by Stephan. Maybe because I like a proactive manager who can change things up if they're not working. Every game is deja vu as the French would say.  | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:35 - Jan 21 with 165 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 07:54 - Jan 21 by daveB |
I'm never good at match ratings but I'm not sure how anyone gets higher than a 5 in that game |
The bigger laugh is that they rated Dembele higher than Smyth with 6. Honestly thought he wasn’t playing second half until he gave Oxford the ball to set up their great counter attack chance late on. |  | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:38 - Jan 21 with 163 views | nix |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:23 - Jan 21 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I think the reason a lot of people are unhappy is that we can see this is a better squad than last season and a far weaker league. How on earth are we still only three points off the play-offs? We haven't played well since the Leicester game. Personally, not convinced by Stephan. Maybe because I like a proactive manager who can change things up if they're not working. Every game is deja vu as the French would say. |
Yes but when have we had such a manager? I don’t think Martí was particularly transformational. He tended to stick to his preferred style, players and system. And even if we exclude him how many other managers have we had that are brilliant at changing things up and being proactive? Even Warbs who most people liked was terrible at that - no plan B etc etc.And he had an expensively put together squad and wss in a good position in the league but fell away drastically. That’s why I don’t get the rage now. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:50 - Jan 21 with 133 views | Jimboqpr |
I watched it on Sky last night and what I did find funny and depressing in equal measure was the producer for the game was clearly keen to show a lot replays of the action, but as there was so little to show they just ended up showing replays of all the awful play that was happening like we needed to see it again just to really show bad it was! There was one of the Oxford GK in the first half just kicking the ball out of play with the Scottish co-comm just saying 'At least he had the right idea' over it. Then in the 2nd half I think they showed Madsen f*cking up a 10 yard pass by playing out of play for a throw to Oxford right in front of our fans. Scottish co-comm 'He needed to take a little bit more care there'. What a bleak match. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 10:01 - Jan 21 with 91 views | Watford_Ranger |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 09:50 - Jan 21 by Jimboqpr |
I watched it on Sky last night and what I did find funny and depressing in equal measure was the producer for the game was clearly keen to show a lot replays of the action, but as there was so little to show they just ended up showing replays of all the awful play that was happening like we needed to see it again just to really show bad it was! There was one of the Oxford GK in the first half just kicking the ball out of play with the Scottish co-comm just saying 'At least he had the right idea' over it. Then in the 2nd half I think they showed Madsen f*cking up a 10 yard pass by playing out of play for a throw to Oxford right in front of our fans. Scottish co-comm 'He needed to take a little bit more care there'. What a bleak match. |
Highlight of the match was spending a considerable amount of time showing a corner flag blowing in the wind. | | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 10:04 - Jan 21 with 75 views | stowmarketrange |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:35 - Jan 21 by nix |
I agree it wasn’t good. I agree there were things lacking. I agree that we are allowed to be disappointed and frustrated.
However I’m a bit surprised at how angry most people seem to be. The last three seasons have been dire pretty much most of the time with the odd highlight in the sense that we spent much of them worrying about relegation. We also lost so many matches at LR that I actually got fitter because when we lose I trudge that much faster and walk a bit further rather than get the bus etc.
This season at least on here and less at matches we seem to have lost any ability to be philosophical, see any positives and pull together. Is it just the Martí factor? He’s a charismatic character, pulled us out of a slump, but not the manager for the ages. I’m not sure he would have found the answer last night either. He’s struggling at Leicester really given the talent at his disposal; far higher quality in terms of experienced talent than we have.
There have always been a few posters on here who love to come on when we lose and love to point out when they were right about how we were going to lose and how we’re all going to hell in a hand cart. But I did used to feel there was a number of very balanced posters and a few happy clappers like me. These days it feels such an angry and negative place and I’m not quite sure why unless it’s just because people liked Martí.
It’s a shame because while not pulling up trees we’re in a better position than we’ve been for a long time. We’re still only three points from the play offs. We’ve got some good young players in. We haven’t been fighting relegation for most of the season.
Is it the Martí factor? Is it because the world is going pretty crazy and QPR is a way of channelling people’s fears and frustrations with the world? Is it because we’ve worn out our resilience over the last few seasons and we’ve got no patience left? Is it because everyone hates Christian Nourry so much it’s tainted everything about the club? Is it because everyone is getting older and age tends towards the negative. I’m not sure.
Because really we’ve on the whole got a decent manager who though limited seems to have the players on board and has got us playing some good football at times, with the odd quirk and the occasional mad decision. We’ve on the whole got a lot of players who work hard and are clesrly doing their best. Dunne, Cook, Madsen, Smyth, Burrell, Norrington Davies, Walsh, Kone all trying hard and sometimes working their bollocks off. Not all equal ability but all putting the effort in. We’ve got players wanting to come here when other options are available, like Burrell, Ronnie, Poku and Kone.
And yet I can’t remember ever seeing this place so angry and disillusioned. It’s a bit odd. [Post edited 21 Jan 9:06]
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I was a bit surprised at the amount of vitriol spouted at the final whistle last night.I know we didn’t play well,especially in the 2nd half,but there were some seriously p@ssed off people last night.
I appreciate that the conditions didn’t help anyone,but we tried hard to win it in the 1st half,but seemed to fall to their level in the 2nd half.
I wasn’t at Stoke so it was my first 0-0 of the week.Maybe the people moaning the most also went to Stoke? |  | | |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 10:08 - Jan 21 with 52 views | R_from_afar |
| The 3 sides of a match thread at Oxford on 08:35 - Jan 21 by nix |
I agree it wasn’t good. I agree there were things lacking. I agree that we are allowed to be disappointed and frustrated.
However I’m a bit surprised at how angry most people seem to be. The last three seasons have been dire pretty much most of the time with the odd highlight in the sense that we spent much of them worrying about relegation. We also lost so many matches at LR that I actually got fitter because when we lose I trudge that much faster and walk a bit further rather than get the bus etc.
This season at least on here and less at matches we seem to have lost any ability to be philosophical, see any positives and pull together. Is it just the Martí factor? He’s a charismatic character, pulled us out of a slump, but not the manager for the ages. I’m not sure he would have found the answer last night either. He’s struggling at Leicester really given the talent at his disposal; far higher quality in terms of experienced talent than we have.
There have always been a few posters on here who love to come on when we lose and love to point out when they were right about how we were going to lose and how we’re all going to hell in a hand cart. But I did used to feel there was a number of very balanced posters and a few happy clappers like me. These days it feels such an angry and negative place and I’m not quite sure why unless it’s just because people liked Martí.
It’s a shame because while not pulling up trees we’re in a better position than we’ve been for a long time. We’re still only three points from the play offs. We’ve got some good young players in. We haven’t been fighting relegation for most of the season.
Is it the Martí factor? Is it because the world is going pretty crazy and QPR is a way of channelling people’s fears and frustrations with the world? Is it because we’ve worn out our resilience over the last few seasons and we’ve got no patience left? Is it because everyone hates Christian Nourry so much it’s tainted everything about the club? Is it because everyone is getting older and age tends towards the negative. I’m not sure.
Because really we’ve on the whole got a decent manager who though limited seems to have the players on board and has got us playing some good football at times, with the odd quirk and the occasional mad decision. We’ve on the whole got a lot of players who work hard and are clesrly doing their best. Dunne, Cook, Madsen, Smyth, Burrell, Norrington Davies, Walsh, Kone all trying hard and sometimes working their bollocks off. Not all equal ability but all putting the effort in. We’ve got players wanting to come here when other options are available, like Burrell, Ronnie, Poku and Kone.
And yet I can’t remember ever seeing this place so angry and disillusioned. It’s a bit odd. [Post edited 21 Jan 9:06]
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Great post.
To add to that, after 10 years in this division, 10 years in which, so far, we have got nowhere near going up, I think most fans are suffering from "mediocrity fatigue".
On a positive note - steady now - I feel like we would normally have lost the last two games, so that's progress of sorts, I suppose. |  |
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I agree it wasn’t good. I agree there were things lacking. I agree that we are allowed to be disappointed and frustrated.
However I’m a bit surprised at how angry most people seem to be. The last three seasons have been dire pretty much most of the time with the odd highlight in the sense that we spent much of them worrying about relegation. We also lost so many matches at LR that I actually got fitter because when we lose I trudge that much faster and walk a bit further rather than get the bus etc.
This season at least on here and less at matches we seem to have lost any ability to be philosophical, see any positives and pull together. Is it just the Martí factor? He’s a charismatic character, pulled us out of a slump, but not the manager for the ages. I’m not sure he would have found the answer last night either. He’s struggling at Leicester really given the talent at his disposal; far higher quality in terms of experienced talent than we have.
There have always been a few posters on here who love to come on when we lose and love to point out when they were right about how we were going to lose and how we’re all going to hell in a hand cart. But I did used to feel there was a number of very balanced posters and a few happy clappers like me. These days it feels such an angry and negative place and I’m not quite sure why unless it’s just because people liked Martí.
It’s a shame because while not pulling up trees we’re in a better position than we’ve been for a long time. We’re still only three points from the play offs. We’ve got some good young players in. We haven’t been fighting relegation for most of the season.
Is it the Martí factor? Is it because the world is going pretty crazy and QPR is a way of channelling people’s fears and frustrations with the world? Is it because we’ve worn out our resilience over the last few seasons and we’ve got no patience left? Is it because everyone hates Christian Nourry so much it’s tainted everything about the club? Is it because everyone is getting older and age tends towards the negative. I’m not sure.
Because really we’ve on the whole got a decent manager who though limited seems to have the players on board and has got us playing some good football at times, with the odd quirk and the occasional mad decision. We’ve on the whole got a lot of players who work hard and are clesrly doing their best. Dunne, Cook, Madsen, Smyth, Burrell, Norrington Davies, Walsh, Kone all trying hard and sometimes working their bollocks off. Not all equal ability but all putting the effort in. We’ve got players wanting to come here when other options are available, like Burrell, Ronnie, Poku and Kone.
And yet I can’t remember ever seeing this place so angry and disillusioned. It’s a bit odd. [Post edited 21 Jan 9:06]
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Good post Nix. I enjoy (mostly) the alternate views of everyone, but … and there’s always one isn’t there … it can get very very angry at times and people aren’t always too rational or reflective when they get angry. Feels like some are letting the Marti thing go slowly and the Nourry thing is less prominent thankfully.
For me, last nights performance was worse than Stoke. This team were there for the taking, they were awful. We have a point but we have to look at this game as a failure to be at our best (even without the injured players). Conditions were awful, yes, but on the day they were still awful and we looked so much better first half.
That said, I’ve been wanting a consistent back four to build. They are our foundation, stop the goals and you don’t lose. They have been great and I think it’s 3 clean sheets out of four games now. Also seeing more leadership from Jimmy too.
Where we are losing out is the rest. Uncreative in midfield. Our wingers predictably cut in. Seen various discussions on switching them and I’d go for it. I’d like to see Smyth and Dembele getting to the byline more often - mix it up, don’t be predictable, give the forwards different opportunities. Really not sure what is going on with Kone, he does look slower and lacking confidence in himself; he definitely misses Burrell.
Good news is we’re not tanking and giving up with all the injury losses. You can see some battling out there. 40pts so far and can reasonably expect to get to 60-65pts for the season, not too shabby if almost comfortable after the last few turbulent years. Unfortunately we’ve gone from a good team with a good bench to call on to a bench first team and weak bench. Will be interesting to see how things go against the Hollywood Taffies now.
C’mon u Rrrrsss. Let’s step it up now. |  | | |
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