| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 17:29 - Feb 2 with 2575 views | StreathamRanger |
Sad news. I was only up there with my kids this morning and we regularly visit the library just opposite where it kicked off. Thank god undercover police were nearby so they could prevent further tragedy. The police do a bloody good job all things considered. |  | |  |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 19:07 - Feb 2 with 2330 views | StreathamRanger |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 19:20 - Feb 2 with 2281 views | paulparker |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 19:07 - Feb 2 by StreathamRanger |
Needlessly provocative |
Not really same old suspects |  |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:13 - Feb 2 with 2111 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
You don’t think insane religious nationalists that murder are right wing extremists? [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 21:14]
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:22 - Feb 2 with 2076 views | BucksRanger |
Do religious extremists have wings? |  | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:30 - Feb 2 with 2055 views | Hayesender |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:13 - Feb 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You don’t think insane religious nationalists that murder are right wing extremists? [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 21:14]
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Makes me glad I'm an atheist. Years of Catholic schooling put me off that shite for life.
Massive well done to our police |  |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:37 - Feb 2 with 2030 views | loftboy |
He was released half way through a three year sentence for having ISIS propaganda, these extremists can never be “ cured “ why oh why let him out early. |  |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:40 - Feb 2 with 2019 views | Jigsore |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:37 - Feb 2 by loftboy |
He was released half way through a three year sentence for having ISIS propaganda, these extremists can never be “ cured “ why oh why let him out early. |
early release prisoners is happening more and more and the reason is purely financial so draw your own conclusions from that |  |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 22:12 - Feb 2 with 1951 views | PunteR |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:37 - Feb 2 by loftboy |
He was released half way through a three year sentence for having ISIS propaganda, these extremists can never be “ cured “ why oh why let him out early. |
If your caught involved with Isis than imo its capital punishment . Let god decide what he wants to do with them. |  |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 03:04 - Feb 3 with 1791 views | Northolt_Rs |
Have that ya cûnt....fair play to the OB. |  |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 05:19 - Feb 3 with 1771 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:13 - Feb 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You don’t think insane religious nationalists that murder are right wing extremists? [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 21:14]
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No I don't but I'll happily look at a bar chart that proves otherwise. |  | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 05:23 - Feb 3 with 1770 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:40 - Feb 2 by Jigsore |
early release prisoners is happening more and more and the reason is purely financial so draw your own conclusions from that |
In this case it made little financial sense as he was under surveillance; that can't be cheap. | | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 07:21 - Feb 3 with 1706 views | distortR |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 05:23 - Feb 3 by Benny_the_Ball |
In this case it made little financial sense as he was under surveillance; that can't be cheap. |
different cost centre, mate.
Best wishes to the 3 innocent victims. | | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 08:04 - Feb 3 with 1670 views | jonno |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:37 - Feb 2 by loftboy |
He was released half way through a three year sentence for having ISIS propaganda, these extremists can never be “ cured “ why oh why let him out early. |
Rabid dogs are not released to roam the streets; they are put down. |  | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 10:56 - Feb 3 with 1579 views | terryb |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:13 - Feb 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You don’t think insane religious nationalists that murder are right wing extremists? [Post edited 2 Feb 2020 21:14]
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No. But they are not left wing either! | | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 11:13 - Feb 3 with 1541 views | BucksRanger |
East wing? | | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 11:22 - Feb 3 with 1513 views | RBlock |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 07:21 - Feb 3 by distortR |
different cost centre, mate.
Best wishes to the 3 innocent victims. |
Simply not true that it's about cost. As the law stood at the time of his sentence, his release date was halfway through his sentence, with the rest to be served on licence. Certain offences are eligible for extended sentences, such as serious violence, sexual, or (post Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act 2019) terrorism offences. So if he were to be sentenced now, he would not have been released at the halfway point, instead remaining in custody for two thirds of his sentence.
So it's about the law as it stood when he was sentenced. Not finances. |  | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 11:26 - Feb 3 with 1504 views | RBlock |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 21:37 - Feb 2 by loftboy |
He was released half way through a three year sentence for having ISIS propaganda, these extremists can never be “ cured “ why oh why let him out early. |
And with regards releasing offenders before their sentence end date, this is often crucial to working with and rehabilitating offenders. An offender released at the halfway point, will then allow the probation service to work with them for the remainder of that sentence, to attempt to rehabilitate them into society and manage the risk they pose. If you release them at the end of their sentence date, they are released without monitoring conditions or any probation involvement.
I'm not looking to debate the rationale behind releasing terrorist offenders at the halfway point, and as per my other post this is no longer the case. Just providing context as to why offenders are released from custody before their sentence end date. | | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 19:05 - Feb 3 with 1247 views | Toast_R |
To be fair if I just sat down for my obligatory Full English heart attack on a plate , think I'd take my chances. |  | | |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 19:22 - Feb 3 with 1229 views | derbyhoop |
Despite the incidents at Fishmongers Hall and, now, Streatham, there is rarely a simple solution.
The immediate response will be to end early release for anybody convicted of an offence deemed terror related. And, for most offenders that is probably the best solution to protect the public.
However, Amman, was given a 3 year sentence. If he hadn't been released early, yesterdays incidence would only have been postponed for 18 months. As it was, he was out on license and being very closely monitored. As displayed by the rapid response from armed police. That monitoring is hugely expensive and a similar offender could slip through the net. de-radicalisation is a better long term approach but where are the resources? With high prison numbers, and associated costs, you can't keep people in prison indefinitely. |  |
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| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 19:46 - Feb 3 with 1203 views | loftboy |
| Terrorist incident in Streatham on 19:22 - Feb 3 by derbyhoop |
Despite the incidents at Fishmongers Hall and, now, Streatham, there is rarely a simple solution.
The immediate response will be to end early release for anybody convicted of an offence deemed terror related. And, for most offenders that is probably the best solution to protect the public.
However, Amman, was given a 3 year sentence. If he hadn't been released early, yesterdays incidence would only have been postponed for 18 months. As it was, he was out on license and being very closely monitored. As displayed by the rapid response from armed police. That monitoring is hugely expensive and a similar offender could slip through the net. de-radicalisation is a better long term approach but where are the resources? With high prison numbers, and associated costs, you can't keep people in prison indefinitely. |
How would you know if someone has been de-radicalised though? On the prison side of things it really is a catch 22 as it’s inside where a lot of the brain washing takes place. Internment would cause all sorts of problems and it didn’t work too well with the Irish terrorists ( wrongful arrests etc)
In an ideal scenario I’d ban all religion but that’s not going to happen. I still don’t know what the ultimate aim of these extremists is? Answers on a postcard please. | |
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