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I think Barbet - Dunne - Dickie is good but I'd like to see them play with Wallace, I suspect that would be a good defence. I like De Wijs but don't think he's that much better that it justifies the constant changing of line up every time he picks up a knock.
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Centre Backs - first choice? on 08:47 - Nov 12 with 1366 views
De Wijs has a massive thing going against him in that he can only play one game a week, doesn't lead to consistency, and even then he often has to be subbed off. I think he is good, but for me he almost has to be the back up for Dunne.
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Centre Backs - first choice? on 08:49 - Nov 12 with 1365 views
Centre Backs - first choice? on 08:21 - Nov 12 by QPR_Jim
I think Barbet - Dunne - Dickie is good but I'd like to see them play with Wallace, I suspect that would be a good defence. I like De Wijs but don't think he's that much better that it justifies the constant changing of line up every time he picks up a knock.
This is it for me. I rate both Dunne and De Wjis, with De Wjis probably just edging it, but having to reshuffle the backline every time De Wjis picks up a strain isn't conducive to a settled and organised back three. Dunne's durability puts him ahead in that respect.
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Centre Backs - first choice? on 08:50 - Nov 12 with 1360 views
I've gone for Barbet - Dunne - Dickie. However, I do wonder if swapping Dunne and Dickie, so Dickie is in the middle, might be worth a try. Dunne has greater mobility to deal with oppo's wide play and Dickie has the better experience to marshall the back line.
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Centre Backs - first choice? on 09:39 - Nov 12 with 1293 views
De Wijs - More experienced, 27 in January, about 100 games in The Championship and the cups in England over four seasons and about 100 senior games in Holland. Only 3 senior goals. Not too much still to learn, so maybe as good as he is going to get and frequently injured.
Dunne - 24 only about 80 games across the four divisions and SPL and associated cups. ^ senior goals. Still a relative novice with lots of development potential still to come. Is really comfortable with both feet, a great asset to have.
Not too much to choose between them really. Experience counts but against that is constantly having to play yourself back to a 90 minute player after every injury.
Talent wise, probably the best set of centre backs that we have had since Alan McDonald, Parker, Maddix and Fenwick (if the latter two were at the club together} or Wicks, Roerder, Hazell and Fenwick.
If we can keep getting Jordi fit to play some games, then with Dunne's versatility, we can rotate occasionally to give Dickie and Barbet a rest. There won't be a shortage of minutes for any of them.
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Centre Backs - first choice? on 09:57 - Nov 12 with 1270 views
Centre Backs - first choice? on 08:54 - Nov 12 by dmm
I've gone for Barbet - Dunne - Dickie. However, I do wonder if swapping Dunne and Dickie, so Dickie is in the middle, might be worth a try. Dunne has greater mobility to deal with oppo's wide play and Dickie has the better experience to marshall the back line.
100% Dunne on right and Dickie in middle, with Dickie stepping out and running with the ball we are not reliant on playing a holding / sitting type player such as Dom Ball which I feels leaves us light in midfield - with Dickie playing in the middle we can then play the likes of Dozell immediately in front (or Field) with SJ pushed further up.
Think Bournemouth will be champions but against them Dickie was exposed to pace on right and we only got some control in that game when SJ dropped back, just leaving us too light in attack. Dickie in the middle fixes both issues imo.
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Centre Backs - first choice? on 10:10 - Nov 12 with 1249 views
Centre Backs - first choice? on 09:57 - Nov 12 by ParkRoyalR
100% Dunne on right and Dickie in middle, with Dickie stepping out and running with the ball we are not reliant on playing a holding / sitting type player such as Dom Ball which I feels leaves us light in midfield - with Dickie playing in the middle we can then play the likes of Dozell immediately in front (or Field) with SJ pushed further up.
Think Bournemouth will be champions but against them Dickie was exposed to pace on right and we only got some control in that game when SJ dropped back, just leaving us too light in attack. Dickie in the middle fixes both issues imo.
Disagree personally. I think Dickie is able to step out from the RCB role, because he isn't required to be that lynch-pin at the back. He gets that freedom to step out and create an angle for the pass, put that deep cross into the box, or just bollock it in from 30 yards. His ability to do that would be restricted if he was the central CB IMO.
Also, Dunne's two footedness lends itself to playing that central role as he can easily go both ways so it's harder for a closing defender to shut off the passing lanes.
Centre Backs - first choice? on 10:10 - Nov 12 by RBlock
Disagree personally. I think Dickie is able to step out from the RCB role, because he isn't required to be that lynch-pin at the back. He gets that freedom to step out and create an angle for the pass, put that deep cross into the box, or just bollock it in from 30 yards. His ability to do that would be restricted if he was the central CB IMO.
Also, Dunne's two footedness lends itself to playing that central role as he can easily go both ways so it's harder for a closing defender to shut off the passing lanes.
Yes, like Dieng, Dunne is impressively two footed.
Centre Backs - first choice? on 08:49 - Nov 12 by RBlock
This is it for me. I rate both Dunne and De Wjis, with De Wjis probably just edging it, but having to reshuffle the backline every time De Wjis picks up a strain isn't conducive to a settled and organised back three. Dunne's durability puts him ahead in that respect.
Agreed, and if two players are very evenly matched then you think about the one who might improve more, and in that case it's probably the younger player.
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I suspect we will lose Dickie at some stage. Maybe not to West Ham in January, but poss in the Summer.
Dunne is next on the production.line. Looks comfortable at CB, passes well, enjoys the physical side. Will be a big player for us and he's getting better with every appearance.
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Centre Backs - first choice? on 21:23 - Nov 12 with 959 views
I remember we had a similar problem with 'one size' (still my favourite football nick) when he was always preferred whenever he was fit, which was only ever for a max of three games. Obviously not as good as Jordi, but in terms of being in and out of the side through injury it's similar. Clive has (rightly) made a big deal about how well our physio's did last season in keeping our players fit considering the circumstances. However, I think it is telling, that as good as they are/were, that Jordi still picked up several niggly injuries last season. Some players are just naturally injury prone and unfortunately he is one of them. Barbet is the complete opposite. With us constantly having to rejig our wing backs, I think a settled back three is imperative, both for themselves and Dieng behind them and for that reason I would pick Dunne over Jordi. Dunne is still very raw and will cost us points, but is a better prospect in the long run. Realistically, he is going to play 1 or 2 games in every 3 anyway at a minimum, so he might as well play them all and reduce the chopping and changing. Most top managers rotate their attacking players, but like a settled defence.
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