| Hoos on Warbs Future 14:01 - Apr 8 with 5016 views | daveB |
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-mark-warburton-contract-b993279.ht
Exclusive: Mark Warburton could earn automatic QPR contract extension, confirms Hoops chief Hoos
Hoos, speaking exclusively to Standard Sport, has dismissed talk that Warburton is set to face the sack after four straight defeats dented Rangers' push for the top six - and issued a rallying cry to players ahead of the final six games.
Warburton's contract is up at the end of the season and Hoos conceded that club and manager could still part ways at the end of the campaign, but added that there is every chance the former Brentford boss could earn a new deal - and a big finish to the season may take the issue out of QPR's hands.
“Mark came out after someone asked directly does his contract end [this summer],” Hoos tell Standard Sport. “It's not quite that simple. There are three avenues that we could go down.
"One which would be the contract ends this summer and we shake hands and say, ‘Let's everybody just take a step back and take a deep breath and figure out where we're going to go’.
"Second the contract ends, and we renegotiate another contract, and we continue on, or he hits certain trigger points in the contract, in which case is automatically renewed."
Hoos is reluctant to give specifics on what would trigger that clause, but adds: “[If it is triggered] we will have had a very good end to the season.”
Ahead of last month's international break, QPR had beaten Luton to move fourth in the table. However, Warburton's side have lost four on the bounce since then and now sit five points outside of the play-offs with six games to go.
Tempers have been raised among a disappointed fan base - something Hoos understands - but there is a clear message that the season is far from over just yet.
“The fans have always been behind us,” says Hoos. “One thing I never forget [about football], is that it is about venting. The whole thing is about venting.
“When it goes well it is fantastic and it goes great, but when it does not you just want to get it out. I do it just as much as the next man, I just can't do it publicly - my wife has to bear the brunt of that.
“I am in the same boat, so is Mark Warburton and Les [Ferdinand]. There is a level of frustration. I mean everybody needs to remember this team is good. Players, you guys are good. Just reconnect with that, don't overthink it, just go out and do what comes naturally.”
Whether QPR make the play-offs or not, there can be heart taken from the fact they are no longer betting the house on pushes like these and will be well placed to go again this season.
However, few inside the club like to see it that way.
“You can say look how far we have come,” Hoos says. “I know how far we have come but it is about making sure we continue on that journey.”
In continuing that journey, Hoos and those around him at senior level must find a way to compete with those clubs - such as Fulham, Norwich and Watford - who happily bounce between the Premier League and Championship aided by the parachute payments each season.
Parachute payments are a double benefit now, a soft landing and a boost.
FA figures released last month revealed that their London rivals had spent more than £10million on agents fees between February 2021 and the end of the January transfer window - almost a quarter of all the cash spent on such fees in the entire Championship and more than 10 times what QPR spent.
“It is tough,” says Hoos.
“It is one of the reasons why the Football League are saying - from a competitive standpoint - we have to do something about parachute payments.
“Clubs have said all along that they are a problem and they hurt. They are supposed to be a soft landing. It's a double benefit now, they get a soft landing and a boost.
“I don't want it to sound like we've hit a headwind and now we're moaning, this isn't sour grapes.
“The Premier League has to play ball on this if we're going to get traction, and they're clearly not. It is in their interest to keep kicking the can down the road. Football is incapable of changing unless the government comes in, the reality is that it is incapable of governing itself.” [Post edited 8 Apr 2022 14:02]
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:07 - Apr 8 with 3750 views | PinnerPaul |
Last two sentences, pretty damning, but true. |  | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:08 - Apr 8 with 3748 views | Northernr |
Reading between the pretty obvious lines there - the deal that Warbs signed last summer is no longer a rolling deal, but had a clause in it saying he gets an automatic extension for making the top six. |  | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:12 - Apr 8 with 3719 views | R_from_afar |
Interesting stuff, Dave, thanks for posting  |  |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 15:13 - Apr 8 with 3512 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:08 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Reading between the pretty obvious lines there - the deal that Warbs signed last summer is no longer a rolling deal, but had a clause in it saying he gets an automatic extension for making the top six. |
So no extension then. 😆 | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 15:27 - Apr 8 with 3465 views | BAWHoops |
"One which would be the contract ends this summer and we shake hands and say, ‘Let's everybody just take a step back and take a deep breath and figure out where we're going to go’.
This seems very thought out (and what I assume will happen) |  |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 15:35 - Apr 8 with 3423 views | TheChef |
Cheers - all seems quite logical. Although if Warbs does leave at the end of the season, you do hope the club has a shortlist for his replacement.
This did me make me ROFL.
“When it goes well it is fantastic and it goes great, but when it does not you just want to get it out. I do it just as much as the next man, I just can't do it publicly - my wife has to bear the brunt of that. |  |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 16:18 - Apr 8 with 3259 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:08 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Reading between the pretty obvious lines there - the deal that Warbs signed last summer is no longer a rolling deal, but had a clause in it saying he gets an automatic extension for making the top six. |
Or promotion, I guess. |  |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 16:54 - Apr 8 with 3118 views | switchingcode |
Parachute payments are here to stay and I guess will continue to increase year on year.We took 8 seasons without them to finally get promoted.Statistically teams who get these payments are 3 X more likely to get promoted.Perhaps Mr Hoos could come up with a creditable replacement.Would add it hasn’t helped every club who have been relegated just look in Div 1. | | | |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 16:57 - Apr 8 with 3112 views | WestbourneR |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:08 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Reading between the pretty obvious lines there - the deal that Warbs signed last summer is no longer a rolling deal, but had a clause in it saying he gets an automatic extension for making the top six. |
I took it as a pretty negative take on MW's future - personally I'd expect Hoos et al to be desperate to keep him on. He's been fantastic for the balance book. He seemed to make it sound pretty 50/50 if he'd stay or go.
Even if we continue to tank this season I'd 100% keep him, no question. I'm pretty shocked so many are now thinking otherwise. Seems very short sighted and short memories.
He's developed players, sold them for good money, overall bought extremely well. And for the most we look organised, professional, together and the football is usually good.
We also have to remember that we've managed to be firmly in the play-offs for 3/4 season despite the fact...
- Our two marquee signings SJ and Austin have just utterly failed to fire. No one could have predicted that.
- We have a bottom six budget
- Our best player, Willock (who identified by Warbs and his team and bought for a song) has got injured.
- Key injuries to wing backs for large periods
- African Cup of Nations
- Losing three first choice goalkeepers to serious injury
- No permanent or signings or ambitious money made available in the Christmas window when it was needed to keep the push going.
Those are some difficult things to ride out and it's just caught up with the team and MW. We look slow and totally out of energy.
One thing I do totally agree with Northern about is we desperately need to get some athleticism and pace into this squad.
And MW needs to alternate the formation occasionally. Why ONLY play 4231 and then ONLY play wingbacks? Use them both when required. Horses for courses. Particularly when the injuries stack up. [Post edited 9 Apr 2022 17:31]
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:02 - Apr 8 with 3076 views | Northernr |
Parachute payments exist because there is an enormous financial gulf between the two divisions' TV money, and if you take a business that's one moment doing revenues of £150m+ and then over one summer take away £120m of that revenue the business more often than not will collapse, and we don't want football clubs going out of business left right and centre just because some twerp though Solomon Rondon was a Premier League striker (or Mark Hateley).
However... What do the clubs spend that financial gulf on? Majority, vast majority, goes on wages. Now, a team like Everton, who've been in the Premier League forever, I can perhaps understand. But when promoted teams go up and just immediately start putting their existing players on Premier League money, and all their new signings on stupid cash (hi Joey, Shaun, Bobby) that's just asking for trouble. Either way you could, if not completely do away with the need for parachute payments, then certainly reduce them drastically so they don't wreck the Champ quite so much, by making relegation clauses mandatory in every Premier League contract on the playing side of the business.
Every well run club should do this anyway, but if you had a rule that says every player/manager contract at the club either reverts straight back to what it was in the Championship, or for new signings and teams that haven't been in the Championship for five years reduces by 75% in line with the income, you wouldn't have a problem. You're in the Premier League? Congratulations, you're going to be paid a fortune. Oh, you were a bit sht and got relegated? Well, sorry mate, Championship wage for you (which will still be very handsome btw, average salary in this league now kicks around £20k a week).
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:14 - Apr 8 with 3008 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 16:57 - Apr 8 by WestbourneR |
I took it as a pretty negative take on MW's future - personally I'd expect Hoos et al to be desperate to keep him on. He's been fantastic for the balance book. He seemed to make it sound pretty 50/50 if he'd stay or go.
Even if we continue to tank this season I'd 100% keep him, no question. I'm pretty shocked so many are now thinking otherwise. Seems very short sighted and short memories.
He's developed players, sold them for good money, overall bought extremely well. And for the most we look organised, professional, together and the football is usually good.
We also have to remember that we've managed to be firmly in the play-offs for 3/4 season despite the fact...
- Our two marquee signings SJ and Austin have just utterly failed to fire. No one could have predicted that.
- We have a bottom six budget
- Our best player, Willock (who identified by Warbs and his team and bought for a song) has got injured.
- Key injuries to wing backs for large periods
- African Cup of Nations
- Losing three first choice goalkeepers to serious injury
- No permanent or signings or ambitious money made available in the Christmas window when it was needed to keep the push going.
Those are some difficult things to ride out and it's just caught up with the team and MW. We look slow and totally out of energy.
One thing I do totally agree with Northern about is we desperately need to get some athleticism and pace into this squad.
And MW needs to alternate the formation occasionally. Why ONLY play 4231 and then ONLY play wingbacks? Use them both when required. Horses for courses. Particularly when the injuries stack up. [Post edited 9 Apr 2022 17:31]
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Thumbs / Arrow Up did'nt seem to do justice to such a great post!
Some great points and I hope Hoos reads it and sorts out Warburtons contract asap. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:24 - Apr 8 with 2958 views | Juzzie |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:14 - Apr 8 by ParkRoyalR |
Thumbs / Arrow Up did'nt seem to do justice to such a great post!
Some great points and I hope Hoos reads it and sorts out Warburtons contract asap. |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:27 - Apr 8 with 2932 views | Juzzie |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:02 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Parachute payments exist because there is an enormous financial gulf between the two divisions' TV money, and if you take a business that's one moment doing revenues of £150m+ and then over one summer take away £120m of that revenue the business more often than not will collapse, and we don't want football clubs going out of business left right and centre just because some twerp though Solomon Rondon was a Premier League striker (or Mark Hateley).
However... What do the clubs spend that financial gulf on? Majority, vast majority, goes on wages. Now, a team like Everton, who've been in the Premier League forever, I can perhaps understand. But when promoted teams go up and just immediately start putting their existing players on Premier League money, and all their new signings on stupid cash (hi Joey, Shaun, Bobby) that's just asking for trouble. Either way you could, if not completely do away with the need for parachute payments, then certainly reduce them drastically so they don't wreck the Champ quite so much, by making relegation clauses mandatory in every Premier League contract on the playing side of the business.
Every well run club should do this anyway, but if you had a rule that says every player/manager contract at the club either reverts straight back to what it was in the Championship, or for new signings and teams that haven't been in the Championship for five years reduces by 75% in line with the income, you wouldn't have a problem. You're in the Premier League? Congratulations, you're going to be paid a fortune. Oh, you were a bit sht and got relegated? Well, sorry mate, Championship wage for you (which will still be very handsome btw, average salary in this league now kicks around £20k a week).
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"...... by making relegation clauses mandatory in every Premier League contract on the playing side of the business."
The PFA, and Gordon Taylor in particular, were/are a massive stumbling block to this happening.
Something along the lines of denying their members maximum opportunity to earn as if a 'paltry' £30,000 per week (£1.5m/year or £4.5m over an average 3 year contract which would take someone on £35,000 p/a 130 years to earn) isn't fkin enough. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:30 - Apr 8 with 2894 views | Northernr |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:27 - Apr 8 by Juzzie |
"...... by making relegation clauses mandatory in every Premier League contract on the playing side of the business."
The PFA, and Gordon Taylor in particular, were/are a massive stumbling block to this happening.
Something along the lines of denying their members maximum opportunity to earn as if a 'paltry' £30,000 per week (£1.5m/year or £4.5m over an average 3 year contract which would take someone on £35,000 p/a 130 years to earn) isn't fkin enough. |
Of course. Would sort the problem overnight though. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:31 - Apr 8 with 2890 views | daveB |
Parachute payments should be for 1 year not 3 but that doesn't suit the prem as it would mean clubs who go up do a Norwich and be sensible rather than a Wolves or QPR and it becomes an even bigger gulf between the top and the bottom | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:34 - Apr 8 with 2858 views | Juzzie |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:30 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Of course. Would sort the problem overnight though. |
Assassinating Putin would sort the Ukraine war out overnight but that ain't happening either!
(have I just invoked a modern version of Godwin's law?!) | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:36 - Apr 8 with 2849 views | daveB |
I do think that if the board had spent in January and we were in this mess then I'd agree he should go, had 3 years and been backed but failed but as they didn't push the boat out (because they can't) I'm not sure getting rid of him is the right thing to do after the injury problems he's had with Dykes, Deing and Willock out for a long time and then Marshall and others getting knocks along the way.
I'm very torn on it all, how the next 6 games goes will decide it really, if we can get a few wins, finish 8th or 9th then I'd stick, if it continues to fall apart and we end up 11th or lower then sadly time for a change. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:38 - Apr 8 with 2831 views | BerkoRanger |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:12 - Apr 8 by R_from_afar |
Interesting stuff, Dave, thanks for posting |
+1 Thanks, Dave. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:45 - Apr 8 with 2796 views | Juzzie |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:36 - Apr 8 by daveB |
I do think that if the board had spent in January and we were in this mess then I'd agree he should go, had 3 years and been backed but failed but as they didn't push the boat out (because they can't) I'm not sure getting rid of him is the right thing to do after the injury problems he's had with Dykes, Deing and Willock out for a long time and then Marshall and others getting knocks along the way.
I'm very torn on it all, how the next 6 games goes will decide it really, if we can get a few wins, finish 8th or 9th then I'd stick, if it continues to fall apart and we end up 11th or lower then sadly time for a change. |
If we cast our minds back to the 2020/21 season we started off badly and got better and had a really good run and finished well.
This season has happened the other way around but same end result pretty much. Just seems worse because it's this way around rather than the other. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 18:12 - Apr 8 with 2695 views | NewBee |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:31 - Apr 8 by daveB |
Parachute payments should be for 1 year not 3 but that doesn't suit the prem as it would mean clubs who go up do a Norwich and be sensible rather than a Wolves or QPR and it becomes an even bigger gulf between the top and the bottom |
Am open to correction, but I'm pretty sure that if a team comes straight back down after one season, they only get a single parachute payment.
Whereas if they survive two seasons (or more), they get three payments.
I assume this is to deter yo yo clubs, while rewarding those who manage their affairs better/more long term. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 19:18 - Apr 8 with 2507 views | daveB |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 18:12 - Apr 8 by NewBee |
Am open to correction, but I'm pretty sure that if a team comes straight back down after one season, they only get a single parachute payment.
Whereas if they survive two seasons (or more), they get three payments.
I assume this is to deter yo yo clubs, while rewarding those who manage their affairs better/more long term. |
yeah thats right but if they changed it to 1 year whether you go up or don't I think it would make a difference. | | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 20:22 - Apr 8 with 2350 views | stevec |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:27 - Apr 8 by Juzzie |
"...... by making relegation clauses mandatory in every Premier League contract on the playing side of the business."
The PFA, and Gordon Taylor in particular, were/are a massive stumbling block to this happening.
Something along the lines of denying their members maximum opportunity to earn as if a 'paltry' £30,000 per week (£1.5m/year or £4.5m over an average 3 year contract which would take someone on £35,000 p/a 130 years to earn) isn't fkin enough. |
You won’t get me, I’m part of the Union.
They also put the kibosh on the other sensible option, a wage cap, which roughly amounted to the same thing.
Either Warbs gets us on a six game winning run minimum or he’s gone. The owners aren’t coughing up a million and a half each month out of their own pockets to see us struggling to match last seasons points total. |  | | |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 20:40 - Apr 8 with 2291 views | davman |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 14:08 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Reading between the pretty obvious lines there - the deal that Warbs signed last summer is no longer a rolling deal, but had a clause in it saying he gets an automatic extension for making the top six. |
... or maybe just an improvement on last season's finish? |  |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 20:50 - Apr 8 with 2251 views | davman |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 17:27 - Apr 8 by Juzzie |
"...... by making relegation clauses mandatory in every Premier League contract on the playing side of the business."
The PFA, and Gordon Taylor in particular, were/are a massive stumbling block to this happening.
Something along the lines of denying their members maximum opportunity to earn as if a 'paltry' £30,000 per week (£1.5m/year or £4.5m over an average 3 year contract which would take someone on £35,000 p/a 130 years to earn) isn't fkin enough. |
That's not the problem though; the problem is that for every club that does that, there will be others that don't and guess who these mercenaries (for that is what they are) will sign for?
Bottom line is that a club that can only offer a contract with a relegation clause will not compete with those that don't. That means that the pool of available players reduces and promoted clubs simply will not compete. We get closer and closer to that closed shop every season...
No idea what the solution is, but the gap appears insurmountable now... | |
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| Hoos on Warbs Future on 22:17 - Apr 8 with 2124 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Hoos on Warbs Future on 20:50 - Apr 8 by davman |
That's not the problem though; the problem is that for every club that does that, there will be others that don't and guess who these mercenaries (for that is what they are) will sign for?
Bottom line is that a club that can only offer a contract with a relegation clause will not compete with those that don't. That means that the pool of available players reduces and promoted clubs simply will not compete. We get closer and closer to that closed shop every season...
No idea what the solution is, but the gap appears insurmountable now... |
The solution is for the FL to breakaway from the PL and cast it adrift on its own. Withdraw from the FA Cup so just PL clubs left in it, rename the EFL Cup and invite all non-league teams to enter (i.e. a replica of the FA Cup but no PL teams). Give it 10-15yrs of being cast adrift on its own and the PL would eventually collapse . Conversely, the FL could and would go from strength to strength. | | | |
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