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Reply | The Official Norwich City Vs Swansea City Match Thread
at 13:25 10 Mar 2019
Worth pointing out that Potter and whoever is in recruitment has had one summer window and pre-season, and Farke has had two.
Our team is made up of players signed in both windows, with a few kids thrown in.
And some of the players to make a big impact this season took a long time to find their feet last season. The best example being Mario Vrancic who had good pedigree in Germany (the only one who actually came from the top tier there, albiet from a relegated team).
He looked piss poor at first, I wrote him off as being lightweight and one paced and not suited to this league. Towards the end of last season he started to show flashes of brilliance, and clearly had a football brain.
In January this season he was the Championship player of the month.
Too many sides constantly chopping and changing managers and not allowing coaches to develop players that the club already has etc.
I mean... if you are hunting for bargains overseas you have to expect that sometimes players will take to the league and new systems like a duck to water (like Pukki) and other times they need six months to start looking competent (like Vrancic).
Zimmermann was decent enough last season, but is probably a contender for team of the season at the back this season.... what do you expect when he's come from the German fourth tier?
And you'll have a mismatch of players who really want to be at your club, presumably including Potter signings, and players who deep down think you are cramping their style (Leroy Fer is probably on the phone to his agent twice a week, judging by his history).
Get to the summer and let Potter work on finishing building a Potter squad, and then judge him on results next season.
Even when your recruitment is bang on it takes time to work on getting players used to a system etc... pretty sure Farke has had to work on the work rate and stamina of a few of them to get them effective in a system where we constantly press. Pretty sure he bombed a few out for not being willing to work hard enough too (Oliveira and Josh Murphy the two obvious one).
But you can't change things overnight can you.... Don't think its any coincidence that Bristol City and Sheffield United are in promotion contention with managers who have been at their clubs for 3 or 4 years.
At very least a manager needs two summers for a rebuild. [Post edited 10 Mar 2019 13:26]
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Reply | The Official Norwich City Vs Swansea City Match Thread
at 14:39 9 Mar 2019
"However, I do think those players they signed are on much higher wages than we are willing/able to pay. "
I doubt it to be honest.... some of them were unemployed and most that we've paid money for came from other countries 2nd tiers. Tim Trybull for example came in on trial August 2017 because he couldn't find himself a club in the summer after being released by an average Dutch side.
A lot of our players have a point to prove and had a reputation to rebuild. Moritz Leitner came through Dortmund II but had barely kicked a ball for two years.
Can imagine we've given quite a bit of money to Grant Hanley, Timm Klose is still on his Premier League deal, and we're stuck with Matt Jarvis and Steven Naismith who will be released in the summer (thank the lord).
But Jordan Rhodes had to agree to a substantial pay cut to join us on loan, and Tettey had to halve his salary to fit into our wage structure and stay.
Its just ridiculously good scouting and contacts.... if everybody knew about the talent of Buendia from the second tier of Spanish football then why did he cost £1.5m at the age of 21?
Played an absolute blinder selling the Murphy's for £10m+ each and then replace with better for a fraction of the cost.
It can only be having the right people identifying players in the right places. How else can that be achieved? |
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Reply | The Official Norwich City Vs Swansea City Match Thread
at 00:37 9 Mar 2019
A fair number of the signings feel like they are Stuart Webber's signings and others Farke signings. The reality is that I think they basically reach full agreement on every target.
Worth pointing out though that whilst he is in fact Welsh, Webber knows a hell of a lot about German football and actually has all his coaching badges.... He was the Sporting Director at Huddersfield where he appointed Wagner, and then jumped ship and came to Norwich because we had a Category 1 academy and Huddersfield had shit infrastructure.
Our main three coaches all followed Farke from the Dortmund II team, and they are one of the best clubs in the world for youth development.
We haven't just recruited well from Germany but also brought through kids from our academy, one of whom was never really tipped to get anywhere until Farke came in, liked the look of him and decided that he was our new left back.
We've had 5 or 6 homegrown players in some of our squads this season.
But Webber has made it clear that he doesn't really have a preference for German players over British ones, just that with a limited budget he thinks he can get better value in their market.
Zimmermann cost us I think £50k and had only played in the German Fourth Tier.... he's now our captain and first name on the team sheet, is keeping Timm Klose and Grant Hanley out of the side (£7.5m they cost).
His centre back partner is a kid we bought from York a few years ago as a box to box midfielder for our U23 squad. Farke came in and decided that he could be a bang average centre midfielder his whole life or he could agree to be converted into a centre back where he could become top class.... Ben Godfrey has started 17 games in a row now.
Our back 5 today cost £1.05m in transfer fees.
It all starts with Webber to be honest.... he has somehow managed to appoint a top class coach twice in a row, sell the Murphy twins and the injury prone Alex Pritchard for about £30m combined, and we've replaced them with better players in Buendia (Spanish 2nd tier, £1.5m) and Hernandez (German 2nd tier, £2m).
Makes a mockery of teams like Derby County constantly do really who do silly things like drop £7m on Martyn Waghorn and expect to win promotion.
Rather than appoint people from the merry go round like Bruce and McLaren I think you should get your recruitment team solid and stick with your manager.... who I think has the potential to be a superb coach.
Swansea have done this all before though haven't they? Built a team on peanuts? Didn't it get you up 4 divisions? I think somebody like Potter and clearing out the high earners and starting again like you are doing is precisely what a team like Swansea should be doing.
What's the alternative? Appointing Frank Lampard and just increasing the value of Chelsea and Liverpool assets whilst wasting money on bang average Championship players every season? [Post edited 9 Mar 2019 0:39]
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Reply | We apparently play “really well”
at 00:18 9 Mar 2019
"I don’t think Norwich looked anything special tonight. Small margins."
Doesn't really make sense to take one game in isolation though does it.... did we look special when we beat you 4-1 at your place?
Did we play much worse? Or did you play much better? Why can't both of those things be true?
Worth noting that last season we finished 14th with a manager having his first season in English football though and stuck with him. Remind you of another team? |
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Reply | The Official Norwich City Vs Swansea City Match Thread
at 00:15 9 Mar 2019
You lot looked really decent tonight.
Obviously we were also well off the boil ourselves, weather conditions probably didn't help it was borderline torrential rain.
But when I watch what I just saw with Swansea I think you lot really need to stick with Graham Potter.
Surprised none of you seem to be pointing out the similarities between us last season and you this season.
Last season we were in a transitional stage having had to clear out high earners and deadwood and operate with a budget which was more sustainable for the post-parachute payments world after coming down from the Premier League.
We finished 14th.
You are 14th.
We were inconsistent but clearly showing we had an idea how we wanted to play the game with a talented coach who at times showed a bit of naivety as he was new to the Championship. Same with you.
Some real similarities in the way that the two teams play by the looks of it, using the keeper as an 11th outfield player, high pressing etc.
I know this is only part of the formula, as we also have an excellent sporting director and our scouting and recruitment has been superb...
.... but I fail to see how anybody can consider Potter the problem here. Got the tactics bang on against us and made us look average for most of the game, makes him one of only two managers to truly do that this season with the other being Lee Johnson.
Really hope you give Potter another summer of building as he's trying to do the right things, a bit shocked to see a few Swansea fans calling for his head when your season literally mirrors ours last season.
Fair play, kudos required and should be taken gracefully. Its boring as feck being 14th but its for a reason.... and where has having the biggest wage bill in the league and a £100m loss got Villa exactly? 1 point above you! |
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Reply | Fer
at 17:14 24 Nov 2018
"On his day"....
Same at Norwich, same at QPR..... class "on his day", but not a team player and too often leaves his team mates with far too much to do.
Swansea are better off without, try and remember what it was that got you up four divisions, you lot should know better than anybody how it requires every man playing for each other to succeed.
Look at us today..... not got a Leroy Fer in sight, we've got one training with the youth team who we refuse to use.... Nelson Oliviera, you might have heard of him.
Perhaps that is where Swansea have gone wrong..... you just need players who give 100% for their club and their team mates every week. |
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Reply | Bony
at 17:09 24 Nov 2018
"But what's getting on my nerves more is the cowing Norwich city commentary , one of them is a Gareth gates stuttering ming"
That's BBC Radio Norfolk commentary and the co-commentator is always a guest and a former Norwich player..... we were definitely scraping the barrel with this one though.
I just thought he talked like that because he's from your neck of the woods to be honest, he came through your youth system so you are slating one of your own there I think.
He was crap though, a shame that Chris Llewellyn and Iwan Roberts weren't available!
Did you not notice how we he kept referring to "Norwich" and "Swansea" in the first half and didn't start saying "we" until the second half, presumably after somebody had a word to remind him that he was working for Radio Norfolk?
Sympathies on being stuck with that waster Leroy Fer on your payroll by the way, I hope you can con somebody into taking him in January. |
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