| Washington 10:13 - Apr 17 with 3089 views | wombat |
Why the feck isn't he getting on the pitch?
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| Washington on 10:36 - Apr 17 with 3059 views | isawqpratwcity |
Haven't you seen the State he's in? |  |
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| Washington on 10:49 - Apr 17 with 3026 views | TacticalR |
Sounded like we needed something yesterday. I was expecting Washington to come on earlier, but I wonder if JFH didn't want to risk coming away with a point? |  |
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| Washington on 10:55 - Apr 17 with 3003 views | DWQPR |
Really couldn't understand playing Kelvinho on the right of midfield and not Washington, or even Washington instead of Phillips. |  |
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| Washington on 10:59 - Apr 17 with 2982 views | stevec |
unless we change to two up front I'm struggling to understand why we signed him.
Getting a bum deal as it stands. |  | | |
| Washington on 11:06 - Apr 17 with 2965 views | bosh67 |
He's obviously a good player and deserves a run. |  |
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| Washington on 11:14 - Apr 17 with 2950 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
A bit of patience lads eh. You want to show everyone the crown jewels right before the transfer window opens? |  | | |
| Washington on 11:54 - Apr 17 with 2871 views | Neil_SI |
The problem we have with Washington is the style of play doesn't suit him at the moment. I think that's largely because of the personnel in the squad, whose collective strength appears to favour a Polter/Chery combination.
Some will say Washington needs a goal, but it's more than that. He's barely got into a position to take a shot let alone score a goal.
And we've not playes to his strengths. He likes to latch onto the ball, either ones over the top on the counter or into the channels. Except we're not playing that style of football and the couple of matches we tried him up top alone we were smashing it to his head.
If we play him it has to be with a view of altering our style. I am hopeful this is just a timing and transitional thing. Jack Robinson looked good on the ball, but we only saw short and mid range passing from him, but if he can stretch that to sensible balls into the channel or to feet, then Washington has a better chance of getting the ball where he wants.
The next quesion mark is the big one. Can he then make the step up? A lot if his goals come from his tendency to shift the ball from left to right to open his body up for a shot. The very few times he's tried this with us, he's done it far too slowly and been easily snuffed out. We've got to hope that will work for him, and that it's just about speed and timing adjustments he can make, rather than about levels that he can't.
Still think there's plenty of time for him. If we happen to get a penalty in a game when he's on the pitch, I'd certainly be looking for him to step up and take it. [Post edited 17 Apr 2016 11:55]
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| Washington on 12:19 - Apr 17 with 2812 views | francisbowles |
| Washington on 11:54 - Apr 17 by Neil_SI |
The problem we have with Washington is the style of play doesn't suit him at the moment. I think that's largely because of the personnel in the squad, whose collective strength appears to favour a Polter/Chery combination.
Some will say Washington needs a goal, but it's more than that. He's barely got into a position to take a shot let alone score a goal.
And we've not playes to his strengths. He likes to latch onto the ball, either ones over the top on the counter or into the channels. Except we're not playing that style of football and the couple of matches we tried him up top alone we were smashing it to his head.
If we play him it has to be with a view of altering our style. I am hopeful this is just a timing and transitional thing. Jack Robinson looked good on the ball, but we only saw short and mid range passing from him, but if he can stretch that to sensible balls into the channel or to feet, then Washington has a better chance of getting the ball where he wants.
The next quesion mark is the big one. Can he then make the step up? A lot if his goals come from his tendency to shift the ball from left to right to open his body up for a shot. The very few times he's tried this with us, he's done it far too slowly and been easily snuffed out. We've got to hope that will work for him, and that it's just about speed and timing adjustments he can make, rather than about levels that he can't.
Still think there's plenty of time for him. If we happen to get a penalty in a game when he's on the pitch, I'd certainly be looking for him to step up and take it. [Post edited 17 Apr 2016 11:55]
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Regarding shifting the ball inside, something that Gladwin was trying to do yesterday but couldn't get his shot away. Lots of coaching, practice and confidence building needed for some of these guys to bridge the gap. | | | |
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| Washington on 12:44 - Apr 17 with 2773 views | rsonist |
I don't see why he can't play - or at least be tried out - on the left of the three behind Polter. He didn't make his name as a pure goalscorer but rather for his work-rate and all-round play.
For Washington, Chery, Polter read Mackie, Adel, Helguson. |  | | |
| Washington on 12:55 - Apr 17 with 2743 views | superhoopdownunder |
If he does not fit into our system why on earth did we spend 3m pounds on him?
Was it to defuse the pressure after Austin left as we announced signing Washington just after Austin left? (nothing would surprise me at QPR)
Who wanted him Les or Jimmy? Jimmy had only recently joined us about a month before this signing.
Is Washington up to this level for scoring goals?
Who knows any of the above - however he's an expensive player (based on where we are now) not to get much game time or a chance | | | |
| Washington on 13:40 - Apr 17 with 2662 views | MedwayR |
I'd be looking to play him on the left of a front 3 in a 4-2-1-3 formation.
Smithies
Perch - Onouha - Hall - Robinson
? - Luongo
Chery
Phillips - Polter - Washington |  |
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| Washington on 14:15 - Apr 17 with 2577 views | rsonist |
| Washington on 12:55 - Apr 17 by superhoopdownunder |
If he does not fit into our system why on earth did we spend 3m pounds on him?
Was it to defuse the pressure after Austin left as we announced signing Washington just after Austin left? (nothing would surprise me at QPR)
Who wanted him Les or Jimmy? Jimmy had only recently joined us about a month before this signing.
Is Washington up to this level for scoring goals?
Who knows any of the above - however he's an expensive player (based on where we are now) not to get much game time or a chance |
I would like to see more of Washington too but I think this sort of whingeing is uncalled for.
The system and personnel is still at a formative stage and there is no basis to suggest that management have invested incompetently. Not only are we at in transition in general but this sort of teething trouble is often going to be the case when you're a club that develops talent instead of slotting in the finished article. | | | |
| Washington on 20:42 - Apr 17 with 2298 views | wombat |
| Washington on 14:15 - Apr 17 by rsonist |
I would like to see more of Washington too but I think this sort of whingeing is uncalled for.
The system and personnel is still at a formative stage and there is no basis to suggest that management have invested incompetently. Not only are we at in transition in general but this sort of teething trouble is often going to be the case when you're a club that develops talent instead of slotting in the finished article. |
He could play in the present system , drop him in behind polter if chery isn't firing , yesterday he didn't so should have come on earlier and dropped in behind polter | |
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| Washington on 20:49 - Apr 17 with 2277 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Relax.
Lets not waste our whinging now. Save it for next year. | | | |
| Washington on 21:14 - Apr 17 with 2228 views | Gloucs_R |
Neil, I haven't seen him yet. Do you think he could pay on the right in a 433 / 4231? Elk on the left, with Polter up top, Washington on the right and cherry behind?
Or is he a poacher type? |  |
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| Washington on 21:35 - Apr 17 with 2185 views | Neil_SI |
| Washington on 21:14 - Apr 17 by Gloucs_R |
Neil, I haven't seen him yet. Do you think he could pay on the right in a 433 / 4231? Elk on the left, with Polter up top, Washington on the right and cherry behind?
Or is he a poacher type? |
I think he's a striker first (a penalty box and edge of the box type of finisher), but someone who can also play wide on the left. I'm not sure about other positions, but that will become more obvious over time. I'm unsure for example, what his all round game is like defensively — but he certainly has the right work ethic and attitude when defending from the front. That may or may not translate as well in other positions.
But one of the reasons I don't think he's getting much game time right now is because we're taking our time with him. We're clearly not playing to his strengths, but we also have a squad that doesn't have the collective attributes to play the way Hasselbaink wants his team to play.
JFH is strong on fitness and high pressing — but we've not been in a position to do that consistently for 90 minutes game to game, so it will be interesting to see what he does in the summer in terms of recruitment and his pre-season plan. It's not so easy to get the players to the fitness levels he wants during the actual season when they've got games to play. The groundwork he does with them in the summer is key to changing habits and getting players prepared to play 100% his way.
I think in his early matches, he stuck to his guns and tried to get them to obey his wishes at all times, but as time passed, he's settled on a hybrid, playing a little his way and a little bit to the strengths of the players here currently. And that's allowed us to pick up some needed results and give him momentum to use for next season. But I suspect that he will look to now gradually impose exactly what he wants from the summer onwards, and that change will hopefully see a collective set of attributes that helps players like Washington, so that we can utilise his strengths.
I also think we will see more of Washington between now and the end, whether it's up front or on the left. He's certainly got a nice first touch for someone who's arrived on the scene relatively late in comparison, so there's plenty there to work with, and so far, he doesn't look like he's lost confidence by not playing a lot or not having a goal yet, though obviously the longer that goes on the more likely it could become a problem. | | | |
| Washington on 21:41 - Apr 17 with 2166 views | BrianMcCarthy |
There's often an adjustment period for a player making a step up. I think it's even more noticeable with a striker/forward as they tend to be judged on a single stat (goals scored) rather than performance. A full-back can take a dozen games to blend in and fans may notice that he's not yet at the same level as his team-mates but they can give him more slack than they would a forward ("x games now without a goal" etc etc).
Rush at Liverpool or pour own Les being two examples of players who took a while to settle in.
I wouldn't panic yet. Neil's post is spot on. |  |
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| Washington on 21:48 - Apr 17 with 2138 views | Gloucs_R |
| Washington on 21:35 - Apr 17 by Neil_SI |
I think he's a striker first (a penalty box and edge of the box type of finisher), but someone who can also play wide on the left. I'm not sure about other positions, but that will become more obvious over time. I'm unsure for example, what his all round game is like defensively — but he certainly has the right work ethic and attitude when defending from the front. That may or may not translate as well in other positions.
But one of the reasons I don't think he's getting much game time right now is because we're taking our time with him. We're clearly not playing to his strengths, but we also have a squad that doesn't have the collective attributes to play the way Hasselbaink wants his team to play.
JFH is strong on fitness and high pressing — but we've not been in a position to do that consistently for 90 minutes game to game, so it will be interesting to see what he does in the summer in terms of recruitment and his pre-season plan. It's not so easy to get the players to the fitness levels he wants during the actual season when they've got games to play. The groundwork he does with them in the summer is key to changing habits and getting players prepared to play 100% his way.
I think in his early matches, he stuck to his guns and tried to get them to obey his wishes at all times, but as time passed, he's settled on a hybrid, playing a little his way and a little bit to the strengths of the players here currently. And that's allowed us to pick up some needed results and give him momentum to use for next season. But I suspect that he will look to now gradually impose exactly what he wants from the summer onwards, and that change will hopefully see a collective set of attributes that helps players like Washington, so that we can utilise his strengths.
I also think we will see more of Washington between now and the end, whether it's up front or on the left. He's certainly got a nice first touch for someone who's arrived on the scene relatively late in comparison, so there's plenty there to work with, and so far, he doesn't look like he's lost confidence by not playing a lot or not having a goal yet, though obviously the longer that goes on the more likely it could become a problem. |
Is he left footed? Or just to cut in?
Do you think Elk will be starting line up next season? | |
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| Washington on 21:52 - Apr 17 with 2126 views | HollowayRanger |
get him in the side so gets game time
might play from start for north Ireland in euros then
scores a goal or two
flog him for a profit or at least break even
or build a team for him next season |  |
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| Washington on 23:33 - Apr 17 with 1968 views | Boston |
| Washington on 10:36 - Apr 17 by isawqpratwcity |
Haven't you seen the State he's in? |
Little presumptuous squire, could always be DC? | |
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| Washington on 23:40 - Apr 17 with 1962 views | LazyFan |
Hi,
Banksy said he would now experiment as the season is over.
We should put Chery on ice and play Washington and Polter up front for the last few games.
We should also have Greego-Cox on the subs bench.
Long term we need to sign a big man to win headers for Washington to run on to. Polter is not the finished article. We need a player like Sir Les who can win the ball in the air and flick it on for the nippy Washington to smash home. One that is not old like Zamora. We need em mid twenties at the most.
If we are not going to sign such a player then there is no point in having Washington. In that case after the Euro's we need to flog him off quick. Shame, but no point in holding onto a £3m asset while it depreciates just because we cannot use it properly.
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| Washington on 23:54 - Apr 17 with 1935 views | connell10 |
| Washington on 23:40 - Apr 17 by LazyFan |
Hi,
Banksy said he would now experiment as the season is over.
We should put Chery on ice and play Washington and Polter up front for the last few games.
We should also have Greego-Cox on the subs bench.
Long term we need to sign a big man to win headers for Washington to run on to. Polter is not the finished article. We need a player like Sir Les who can win the ball in the air and flick it on for the nippy Washington to smash home. One that is not old like Zamora. We need em mid twenties at the most.
If we are not going to sign such a player then there is no point in having Washington. In that case after the Euro's we need to flog him off quick. Shame, but no point in holding onto a £3m asset while it depreciates just because we cannot use it properly.
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| Washington on 03:14 - Apr 18 with 1871 views | superhoopdownunder |
| Washington on 21:35 - Apr 17 by Neil_SI |
I think he's a striker first (a penalty box and edge of the box type of finisher), but someone who can also play wide on the left. I'm not sure about other positions, but that will become more obvious over time. I'm unsure for example, what his all round game is like defensively — but he certainly has the right work ethic and attitude when defending from the front. That may or may not translate as well in other positions.
But one of the reasons I don't think he's getting much game time right now is because we're taking our time with him. We're clearly not playing to his strengths, but we also have a squad that doesn't have the collective attributes to play the way Hasselbaink wants his team to play.
JFH is strong on fitness and high pressing — but we've not been in a position to do that consistently for 90 minutes game to game, so it will be interesting to see what he does in the summer in terms of recruitment and his pre-season plan. It's not so easy to get the players to the fitness levels he wants during the actual season when they've got games to play. The groundwork he does with them in the summer is key to changing habits and getting players prepared to play 100% his way.
I think in his early matches, he stuck to his guns and tried to get them to obey his wishes at all times, but as time passed, he's settled on a hybrid, playing a little his way and a little bit to the strengths of the players here currently. And that's allowed us to pick up some needed results and give him momentum to use for next season. But I suspect that he will look to now gradually impose exactly what he wants from the summer onwards, and that change will hopefully see a collective set of attributes that helps players like Washington, so that we can utilise his strengths.
I also think we will see more of Washington between now and the end, whether it's up front or on the left. He's certainly got a nice first touch for someone who's arrived on the scene relatively late in comparison, so there's plenty there to work with, and so far, he doesn't look like he's lost confidence by not playing a lot or not having a goal yet, though obviously the longer that goes on the more likely it could become a problem. |
Thanks Neil this explains a lot to me both about Washington and why we are playing the way we are at the moment.
Hopefully over the summer with getting rid of the remaining dross, adding quality new signings (including a leader, central defender, full backs, central midfield and a goalscorer) alongside a proper pre season we will be set to do well for next season.
Cheers
U R's [Post edited 18 Apr 2016 7:36]
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| Washington on 10:08 - Apr 18 with 1686 views | francisbowles |
| Washington on 23:40 - Apr 17 by LazyFan |
Hi,
Banksy said he would now experiment as the season is over.
We should put Chery on ice and play Washington and Polter up front for the last few games.
We should also have Greego-Cox on the subs bench.
Long term we need to sign a big man to win headers for Washington to run on to. Polter is not the finished article. We need a player like Sir Les who can win the ball in the air and flick it on for the nippy Washington to smash home. One that is not old like Zamora. We need em mid twenties at the most.
If we are not going to sign such a player then there is no point in having Washington. In that case after the Euro's we need to flog him off quick. Shame, but no point in holding onto a £3m asset while it depreciates just because we cannot use it properly.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
Need a player like Sir Les? Oh that will be easy then!
Jimmy should send his missus down to Tesco, I hear they've got a bogof at the moment. | | | |
| Washington on 12:02 - Apr 18 with 1624 views | adhoc_qpr |
You don't need to be a big physical player to be the lone striker, look at Sunderland playing Defoe up top by himself.
No idea if Washington can play as a lone striker because he barely gets on the pitch - i'd love to see him get a start against Reading in a home match to see how he does (away at Brighton is unlikely to be a fair game to try him there) and maybe another against Brizzle.
Obviously he can't play the way Polter does, but a lone striker should be about clever running and getting behind the defence, not just hold up play and closing down. | | | |
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