| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:55 - Feb 7 with 1546 views | VetchitBack |
Another obvious but possibly overlooked point is if we get a bit better going forward and say win or are winning by a two-goal margin (imagine that!) the frantic defending may not be a feature. |  |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:56 - Feb 7 with 1545 views | Highjack |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:54 - Feb 7 by Marottanomics |
In this context, it simply means that in the long run, if you played out that Everton game with the same chances, Swansea would not win many of the matches. |
Are you also factoring in the chances that we missed though? |  |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:56 - Feb 7 with 1541 views | exiledclaseboy |
Bloody lucky we've already won that particular game then. |  |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:56 - Feb 7 with 1537 views | Marottanomics |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:53 - Feb 7 by lovejuicejack |
The same people on here who are shouting you down are the ones who have been saying if we stay up this season we need a big rethink next season, but heyho just muddle along and scrape the points to stay up innit. |
Thank you. It's been a warm introduction to the forum as you can see. Scrape a few points and everything's rosy, drop a few points and we're going down. Standard stuff really. |  |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:57 - Feb 7 with 1532 views | Dewi1jack |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:25 - Feb 7 by Marottanomics |
Watched a lot of his Udinese. Curtis did not have a clear philosophy in his few games in charge.
With Guidolin, he is at least trying to put in place some structures based around getting this team with these players, to Premier League safety. I don't particularly think the group of players he has as a whole is geared well towards a particular style and he is making do with what he has at his disposal.
You've got stylistic mids, then Gomis up top who has the first touch of an elephant. It doesn't quite compute. Guidolin's trying to make our attacks more direct, while playing our midfield deeper and deeper.
As far as Shelvey is concerned, I still think he had so much to offer to the club purely from a playing viewpoint. There were clearly other issues involved, but as an all-around midfielder he is far better than what we've got now. |
"As far as Shelvey is concerned, I still think he had so much to offer to the club purely from a playing viewpoint. There were clearly other issues involved, but as an all-around midfielder he is far better than what we've got now."
Just to explain football a little to you.
It's a team game consisting of 11 players trying to win.
When you have 1 player continually not trying to help his team out and being disruptive as fuk...
then under no stretch of the imagination can he be considered better than the rest who are trying to play as a team.
He's just a passenger, picking up a wage packet.
One player, not even Messi or Tatey can win a game on his own. |  |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:57 - Feb 7 with 1531 views | Davillin |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:50 - Feb 7 by exiledclaseboy |
Regressing to the mean?
What language is this? |
Statistics.
[I loves it!]
It is rather a tendency that as data points are added, the tendency is to have them calculate as closer and closer to the average so far. What the tendency ignores is that bell curves exist and could exaggerate themselves as time goes on, a bit less frequently than regression to the mean. |  |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:58 - Feb 7 with 1525 views | Highjack |
Can we see some splodges on a map that denotes all the easy chances we have missed? | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:58 - Feb 7 with 1518 views | Gh0st |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:44 - Feb 7 by londonlisa2001 |
One of the worst things that has come into football over the past few years is the obsession with stats, caused in the main by Opta and the increasing 'Americanisation' of our sports.
It's all about heat maps, and percentages. Those of us that have watched this game for ever can tell who is working out, who is not, and which team is actually on top and which is not. I don't give a stuff what the 'stats' say - we are playing a damn sight better than we were under Monk.
Give this bloke a chance for God's sake - he's been in for three matches, and has picked up 5 points.
If he carries on in that way we will stay up, and we can go from there. |
Exactly, I hate stats. |  | | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:58 - Feb 7 with 1515 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:55 - Feb 7 by VetchitBack |
Another obvious but possibly overlooked point is if we get a bit better going forward and say win or are winning by a two-goal margin (imagine that!) the frantic defending may not be a feature. |
I said yesterday at 1-0 how nice it would be to have a two goal lead for a change. One is rarely going to be enough and I can't remember the last time we were more than one goal up. | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:59 - Feb 7 with 1510 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:57 - Feb 7 by Davillin |
Statistics.
[I loves it!]
It is rather a tendency that as data points are added, the tendency is to have them calculate as closer and closer to the average so far. What the tendency ignores is that bell curves exist and could exaggerate themselves as time goes on, a bit less frequently than regression to the mean. |
Thanks, Dav but that didn't help.  | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:59 - Feb 7 with 1510 views | Marottanomics |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:56 - Feb 7 by Highjack |
Are you also factoring in the chances that we missed though? |
That's the problem, we didn't have any good chances apart from the pen. The other goal was from a tight angle from a decent distance. | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:00 - Feb 7 with 1506 views | jackonicko |
Every game starts at zero-zero - so long as we can get some shots on the frame, even from a SP or PK, with a shut out in our own six, then we should be okay for the match ups in the bottom half of the season.
Let's get it more into the wheelhouse and hope we have our shooting cleats on. |  | | |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:00 - Feb 7 with 1499 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:59 - Feb 7 by Marottanomics |
That's the problem, we didn't have any good chances apart from the pen. The other goal was from a tight angle from a decent distance. |
But he scored. | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:00 - Feb 7 with 1498 views | Darran |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:58 - Feb 7 by Highjack |
Can we see some splodges on a map that denotes all the easy chances we have missed? |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:01 - Feb 7 with 1494 views | lovejuicejack |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:56 - Feb 7 by Marottanomics |
Thank you. It's been a warm introduction to the forum as you can see. Scrape a few points and everything's rosy, drop a few points and we're going down. Standard stuff really. |
And funny thing is a lot on here said that even when we finished 8 th last season they walked away feeling that the football wasn't great and there was under lying issues that the wins where papering over. They said that this season mind not at the time else they be crucified! |  | | |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:01 - Feb 7 with 1491 views | VetchitBack |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:54 - Feb 7 by Marottanomics |
In this context, it simply means that in the long run, if you played out that Everton game with the same chances, Swansea would not win many of the matches. |
And we'd often beat Palace.
To be fair Marottanomics you're making the same point the self-styled '"right-all-along about Monk" lot were making when we were picking up scrappy points under him. | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:03 - Feb 7 with 1462 views | union_jack |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:50 - Feb 7 by exiledclaseboy |
Regressing to the mean?
What language is this? |
I expected better from you backside tbh.
Omitting the one laughable point made by Steve (I don't know him by the way) that Shelvey is better than anyone else in the midfield, I believe he makes some good points.
Curtis didn't have too much of a plan really but he motivated the players to go out and perform. I am sure Guidolin has a much more defined strategy. And the players we have may not be suited, I don't know?
And Steve us right, wins can mask problems. You are also right that at this end if the season wins mean everything, but as he says, ignoring the problems will mean we'll lose more than we'll win.
I'd love to see U.S. attack with lace, directly and with width. In Ayew, Routs, Barrow, Paloschi we have the personnel but I have my doubts about Ki but more so about Cork who go sideways or backup wards. Britton of course is faultless (really). |  |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:06 - Feb 7 with 1444 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:03 - Feb 7 by union_jack |
I expected better from you backside tbh.
Omitting the one laughable point made by Steve (I don't know him by the way) that Shelvey is better than anyone else in the midfield, I believe he makes some good points.
Curtis didn't have too much of a plan really but he motivated the players to go out and perform. I am sure Guidolin has a much more defined strategy. And the players we have may not be suited, I don't know?
And Steve us right, wins can mask problems. You are also right that at this end if the season wins mean everything, but as he says, ignoring the problems will mean we'll lose more than we'll win.
I'd love to see U.S. attack with lace, directly and with width. In Ayew, Routs, Barrow, Paloschi we have the personnel but I have my doubts about Ki but more so about Cork who go sideways or backup wards. Britton of course is faultless (really). |
Backside? Is everyone talking gibberish tonight? | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:07 - Feb 7 with 1430 views | Marottanomics |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:01 - Feb 7 by VetchitBack |
And we'd often beat Palace.
To be fair Marottanomics you're making the same point the self-styled '"right-all-along about Monk" lot were making when we were picking up scrappy points under him. |
Not sure about often beating Palace. Looked a very tight game on the screen, and on this. | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:07 - Feb 7 with 1426 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:03 - Feb 7 by union_jack |
I expected better from you backside tbh.
Omitting the one laughable point made by Steve (I don't know him by the way) that Shelvey is better than anyone else in the midfield, I believe he makes some good points.
Curtis didn't have too much of a plan really but he motivated the players to go out and perform. I am sure Guidolin has a much more defined strategy. And the players we have may not be suited, I don't know?
And Steve us right, wins can mask problems. You are also right that at this end if the season wins mean everything, but as he says, ignoring the problems will mean we'll lose more than we'll win.
I'd love to see U.S. attack with lace, directly and with width. In Ayew, Routs, Barrow, Paloschi we have the personnel but I have my doubts about Ki but more so about Cork who go sideways or backup wards. Britton of course is faultless (really). |
If the points he made were good ones it'd actually be pretty pointless playing out the season as the strongest team in stats terms would win the league. You'd just add up the points for the players in your roster, both offence and defence and go from there ;-) | | | |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:07 - Feb 7 with 1424 views | lovejuicejack |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:03 - Feb 7 by union_jack |
I expected better from you backside tbh.
Omitting the one laughable point made by Steve (I don't know him by the way) that Shelvey is better than anyone else in the midfield, I believe he makes some good points.
Curtis didn't have too much of a plan really but he motivated the players to go out and perform. I am sure Guidolin has a much more defined strategy. And the players we have may not be suited, I don't know?
And Steve us right, wins can mask problems. You are also right that at this end if the season wins mean everything, but as he says, ignoring the problems will mean we'll lose more than we'll win.
I'd love to see U.S. attack with lace, directly and with width. In Ayew, Routs, Barrow, Paloschi we have the personnel but I have my doubts about Ki but more so about Cork who go sideways or backup wards. Britton of course is faultless (really). |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:08 - Feb 7 with 1417 views | Davillin |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 20:58 - Feb 7 by Gh0st |
Exactly, I hate stats. |
Would you consider re-stating that to "Exactly, I don't understand statistics"?
That's the usual reason why most people who "hate" statistics "hate" statistics.
Statistics is nothing more than the mathematical science of counting and comparing numbers. | |
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| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:09 - Feb 7 with 1399 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:07 - Feb 7 by Marottanomics |
Not sure about often beating Palace. Looked a very tight game on the screen, and on this. |
Why do you keep quoting some self styled Brooklyn based baseball stat nerd who wouldn't know Bury from Grimsby in football terms? | | | |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:11 - Feb 7 with 1392 views | union_jack |
| Guidolin: Right Man, Wrong Tools on 21:06 - Feb 7 by exiledclaseboy |
Backside? Is everyone talking gibberish tonight? |
Too hasty combined with spellcheck. It should have read Clasie!!! | |
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