Hampshire's greatest footballers 14:53 - Dec 20 with 27323 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Updated full list. Some very good players here. Of course Portsmouth gets the lions' share, but Southampton is a good second. I imagine that there is little dispute in this list, if we are basing it on facts and not bias. 1- 10 Top Draw Portsmouth : Von Donop : Hampshire’s first ever superstar Soton : Ted Drake : Good scoring rate, right time, right place Portsmouth : Reg Flewin : One of only 6 captains to win post war back to back championships Portsmouth : Peter Harris : Probably the highest ever scoring winger in England. Champion Alton: Jimmy Dickinson : Mr consistency for club and country. Champion Aldershot: Johnny Berry : In terms of trophies, tops the list. Champion Portsmouth : Ray Crawford : Scored the goals to give Ipswich the Championship Farnham : Peter Storey : Probably Hampshire’s hardest footballer, champion and serial winner Greater Portsmouth : Bobby Tambling : In Chelsea’s greatest ever team. Impressive scoring rate Portsmouth : Alex Chamberlain : Only player to win Europe’s highest accolade 10 — 20 : Excellent Players New Alresford : Sir Christopher Rawlinson Botley : Don Roper Soton : Tom Parker Greater Portsmouth : George Lilycrop Portsmouth : Johnny Gordon Winchester : Terry Paine Soton : Martin Chivers Portsmouth : Steve Foster Soton : Darren Anderton Winchester : Wayne Bridge 20 — 30 : Very good players New Forest : Frank Jefferis Soton : Peter Sillett Aldershot : Bruce Rioch Soton : Nick Holmes New Forest : Kevin Reeves Soton : Graham Roberts Bournemouth : Paul Rideout Greater Portsmouth : Kevin Pressman New Forest : Jamie Redknapp Basingstoke : Tom Cleverley 30 — 40 : Solid players Farnborough : John Mortimore Portsmouth : Phil Gunter Portsmouth : Malcolm Waldron Portsmouth : Bobby Stokes Soton : Francis Benali Romsey : Nigel Spackman Portsmouth : Daryl Powell Portsmouth Joel Ward Portsmouth : James Ward Prowse Portsmouth : Mason Mount 40 — 50 : Dependable players Greater Portsmouth : Albert Mundy Soton : John Sillett Hartley Wintney : Archie turner Portsmouth : David Jones Winchester : Steve Guppy Portsmouth : Steve Claridge Basingstoke : Kit Symons New Forest : Sam Vokes Greater Portsmouth : Matt Ritchie Petersfield : Calum Chambers Final Tally : Ports 21 Soton 9 NF 4, Winch 3, Aldershot 2, Basingstoke 2 Alton, Farnham, Botley, New Alresford, Farnborough, Bournemouth, Romsey, Petersfield, Hartley Wintney [Post edited 20 Dec 2019 15:48]
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:11 - Feb 26 with 1703 views | Butty101 |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 12:31 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Clearly raised in Havant, which is part of the Portsmouth Urban Area, or as it used to be called 'Greater portsmouth' |
Its never been called "Greater portsmouth" - as yet you havent proved this. I think you need to edit you list some what. Maybe add Lallana as he was raised in Bournemouth and you are covering Bournemouth in your list. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:14 - Feb 26 with 1700 views | Ingskneeslide |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 12:33 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | I'll put Baker in later on, when I update the list. Like I have said, my list is unbiased and based on facts. However, I am only human, and have missed a couple off. The biggest omission is another one from Greater Portsmouth ie Steve Moran |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:18 - Feb 26 with 1694 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:11 - Feb 26 by Butty101 | Its never been called "Greater portsmouth" - as yet you havent proved this. I think you need to edit you list some what. Maybe add Lallana as he was raised in Bournemouth and you are covering Bournemouth in your list. |
Bournemouth was part of Hampshire till 1974, that's why Paul Rideout is included in the list, and Lallana isn't. Keep up. And the wikipage, used to reference 'greater Portsmouth and greater Soton, but this was changed to the South Hampshire Urban area with the sub divisions being called Portsmouth and Southampton Urban area. Keep up | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:18 - Feb 26 with 1693 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:14 - Feb 26 by Ingskneeslide | You are barely human |
A little bit of bitter Les squeezing out here. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 14:00 - Feb 26 with 1669 views | Butty101 |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:18 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Bournemouth was part of Hampshire till 1974, that's why Paul Rideout is included in the list, and Lallana isn't. Keep up. And the wikipage, used to reference 'greater Portsmouth and greater Soton, but this was changed to the South Hampshire Urban area with the sub divisions being called Portsmouth and Southampton Urban area. Keep up |
Find a better source than Wiki. Otherwise drop the Greater Portsmouth BS. Edit and what year did the mythological Greater Portsmouth stop existing? [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 15:10]
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 14:24 - Feb 26 with 1645 views | this_charming_man |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 14:08 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Surman is a Hampshire player, but in my opinion isn't quite good enough to get into the top 50. He has around 140 PL appearances, the same as Malcolm Waldron, but clearly Waldron would have had a lot more but didn't, due to injuries. That is why Waldron is in, and Surman isn't. It's not hard to understand. And I haven't spent months researching this, it was just a little collection from another thread if you remember. You lot keep the threads going because you can't accept that Pompey/ the Portsmouth urban area simply produces more quality footballers. The number of TF appearances and TF goals simply points to Portsmouth. The higher quality from the blue sector is inescapable. If your area produced better footballers, your club wouldn't need to raid all the nippers from all over the south of England. Harsh but true. |
So where do you draw the line with this? Southampton born Aaron Flahaven would have gone certainLy on to be a premier League player but for his tragic circumstances, so he should be in based on what might have happened not what did happen like Waldron is. As for producing better players if you’d listed them all correctly without missing quite a few off then as well as not cherry pickingThe criteria to suit your agenda then the list would look a lot different. [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 14:24]
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 14:42 - Feb 26 with 1630 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 14:24 - Feb 26 by this_charming_man | So where do you draw the line with this? Southampton born Aaron Flahaven would have gone certainLy on to be a premier League player but for his tragic circumstances, so he should be in based on what might have happened not what did happen like Waldron is. As for producing better players if you’d listed them all correctly without missing quite a few off then as well as not cherry pickingThe criteria to suit your agenda then the list would look a lot different. [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 14:24]
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Because despite his injuries, Waldron still managed 140 games, and was highly rated. Flahavan never played in the TF, and was 25 when he tragically passed on. He might have made it, but we will never know. I could have included Mike Barnard, who literally gave up top class football to concentrate on his cricket career at the same age. I might have included Sydney Pullen who starred in Brazil. The only reason Vokes and Stokes are in, is because of their International career and the winning FA cup goal. That show you how unbiased I am. And the reason for the omissions is because I haven't studied this list for months, that is why I have asked the question. Brilliant, I'll put Baker in, and probably Harry Moger too. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:09 - Feb 26 with 1614 views | this_charming_man |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 14:42 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Because despite his injuries, Waldron still managed 140 games, and was highly rated. Flahavan never played in the TF, and was 25 when he tragically passed on. He might have made it, but we will never know. I could have included Mike Barnard, who literally gave up top class football to concentrate on his cricket career at the same age. I might have included Sydney Pullen who starred in Brazil. The only reason Vokes and Stokes are in, is because of their International career and the winning FA cup goal. That show you how unbiased I am. And the reason for the omissions is because I haven't studied this list for months, that is why I have asked the question. Brilliant, I'll put Baker in, and probably Harry Moger too. |
"Not studied the list for months" Yet only 3 days ago you posted this Donny Ings get 100 top flight appearances, that is a good milestone, he is getting closer to the top 55, that is for sure. His 36 goals are an impressive haul ie 0.36 goals per game. I know he's not from Southampton, or even greater Soton, but he is a local lad. Comparisons with past local lads is interesting 0.33 Johnny Gordon 102 goals in 333 games 0.39 Martin Chivers 149 goals in 378 games 0.41 Peter Harris 193 goals in 486 games 0.42 Bobby Tambling 142 goals in 340 games 0.58 Ray Crawford 130 goals in 225 games Amazingly, a Soton lad tops the list, but he was lucky enough to join the top club in the country at the right time, then not see his rate lip down due to age, and all of this because of the outbreak of WW2. ie The World War made him look a lot better than he was. The 100 club, 4-2 to Pompey, as Tom Jones would say, "It's not unusual" and still you've missed a number of Southampton born players off and included Sussex born, Chelsea player Bobby Tambling. As for Flahavan, he would have gone on to play in the premier league, I know he would have because I knew him and knew him from when we were 13. In fact the summer before his accident a couple of premier leagues clubs were showing an interest. [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 15:10]
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:26 - Feb 26 with 1602 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:09 - Feb 26 by this_charming_man | "Not studied the list for months" Yet only 3 days ago you posted this Donny Ings get 100 top flight appearances, that is a good milestone, he is getting closer to the top 55, that is for sure. His 36 goals are an impressive haul ie 0.36 goals per game. I know he's not from Southampton, or even greater Soton, but he is a local lad. Comparisons with past local lads is interesting 0.33 Johnny Gordon 102 goals in 333 games 0.39 Martin Chivers 149 goals in 378 games 0.41 Peter Harris 193 goals in 486 games 0.42 Bobby Tambling 142 goals in 340 games 0.58 Ray Crawford 130 goals in 225 games Amazingly, a Soton lad tops the list, but he was lucky enough to join the top club in the country at the right time, then not see his rate lip down due to age, and all of this because of the outbreak of WW2. ie The World War made him look a lot better than he was. The 100 club, 4-2 to Pompey, as Tom Jones would say, "It's not unusual" and still you've missed a number of Southampton born players off and included Sussex born, Chelsea player Bobby Tambling. As for Flahavan, he would have gone on to play in the premier league, I know he would have because I knew him and knew him from when we were 13. In fact the summer before his accident a couple of premier leagues clubs were showing an interest. [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 15:10]
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That's because Butty keeps mentioning ings, so I knew he was approaching 100 TF games. Drake is missing off the list, but from previous comments, and my ranking him as in the top ten, and my WW2 comment it's clear I was talking about him. it's obvious he was a high quality player. Who are the other local lads I have missed off who have scored 100 TF goals? Is Havant in Hampshire : yes or No? Was tambling raised in Havant : yes or No? Did he go to school in Havant : yes or No? Did he go to school in Storrington : yes or No? That is interesting about Flavahavan, who were the clubs? | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:33 - Feb 26 with 1597 views | Butty101 |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:26 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | That's because Butty keeps mentioning ings, so I knew he was approaching 100 TF games. Drake is missing off the list, but from previous comments, and my ranking him as in the top ten, and my WW2 comment it's clear I was talking about him. it's obvious he was a high quality player. Who are the other local lads I have missed off who have scored 100 TF goals? Is Havant in Hampshire : yes or No? Was tambling raised in Havant : yes or No? Did he go to school in Havant : yes or No? Did he go to school in Storrington : yes or No? That is interesting about Flavahavan, who were the clubs? |
Mate you are rubbish at this. You brought up Ings for some reason when i pointed out Mason Mount has gone off the boil. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:39 - Feb 26 with 1592 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:33 - Feb 26 by Butty101 | Mate you are rubbish at this. You brought up Ings for some reason when i pointed out Mason Mount has gone off the boil. |
You are upset that Mount is in the top 50, and Ings is not yet in. That is your beef. The facts speak for themselves. Mount even played in a Champions league game yesterday. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:51 - Feb 26 with 1578 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Who do you think will end up with more top flight appearances, and more England caps? Serious question | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 16:12 - Feb 26 with 1576 views | Butty101 |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 15:51 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Who do you think will end up with more top flight appearances, and more England caps? Serious question |
Mount has been lucky to be at chelsea at a time when they had to throw youngsters in. I will be amazed if once Lampard is sacked in the summer, he will still be getting game time. He had a great start but has scored 2 goals since the beginning of october. He might play more than Ings but we live in a time when caps are handed out to youngsters before they have been earned. I bet Ings will get more time at the euros than mount. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 16:29 - Feb 26 with 1570 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 16:12 - Feb 26 by Butty101 | Mount has been lucky to be at chelsea at a time when they had to throw youngsters in. I will be amazed if once Lampard is sacked in the summer, he will still be getting game time. He had a great start but has scored 2 goals since the beginning of october. He might play more than Ings but we live in a time when caps are handed out to youngsters before they have been earned. I bet Ings will get more time at the euros than mount. |
Agree on the first bit, but the fact that he has picked up 6 England caps surely indicates that he isn't just making up the numbers. Any young player will get found out month by month in his first few years,, and need to adjust his game accordingly. Mount would have learnt loads from the Munich game. It all depends on the form of the player at the time. Ings might go off the boil and not get picked, Mount may completely up his game. I will look at the form of the players in May before making any predictions. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers (n/t) on 11:46 - Feb 27 with 1504 views | DellHero |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 16:29 - Feb 26 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Agree on the first bit, but the fact that he has picked up 6 England caps surely indicates that he isn't just making up the numbers. Any young player will get found out month by month in his first few years,, and need to adjust his game accordingly. Mount would have learnt loads from the Munich game. It all depends on the form of the player at the time. Ings might go off the boil and not get picked, Mount may completely up his game. I will look at the form of the players in May before making any predictions. |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 12:23 - Feb 27 with 1490 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 14:24 - Feb 26 by this_charming_man | So where do you draw the line with this? Southampton born Aaron Flahaven would have gone certainLy on to be a premier League player but for his tragic circumstances, so he should be in based on what might have happened not what did happen like Waldron is. As for producing better players if you’d listed them all correctly without missing quite a few off then as well as not cherry pickingThe criteria to suit your agenda then the list would look a lot different. [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 14:24]
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So, where are these Southampton lads that are near the top of the table for top flight goals or appearances? The fact that I have 'some' missing tells you that I haven't been researching it for months. There are sites with a lot of this info. My guess is that there are hardly any more players from Southampton who will fill the voids near the top of the tree. It's nice and convenient for you to say there are some missing, but lets see the evidence. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 11:27 - Mar 3 with 1445 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup | Fascinating piece by Alan Shearer on the BBC website ; ref English players and the forwards https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51700129 "It is clear that centre-forward is turning into a problem position for Southgate with all these players being sidelined. There has even been talk of Leicester City's Jamie Vardy making a return for England, but even he is injured at the moment. I think that is a non-starter anyway. Vardy all but retired from international football in August 2018 and I have never heard the 33-year-old say anything about changing his mind. If Kane and Rashford don't make it, then Abraham would be one of the main contenders if he is fit - but after that there is ONLY Calvert-Lewin and Southampton's Danny Ings to fall back on." ONLY Danny Ings He doesn't pull his punches does he? | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 11:37 - Mar 3 with 1439 views | this_charming_man |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 12:23 - Feb 27 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup | So, where are these Southampton lads that are near the top of the table for top flight goals or appearances? The fact that I have 'some' missing tells you that I haven't been researching it for months. There are sites with a lot of this info. My guess is that there are hardly any more players from Southampton who will fill the voids near the top of the tree. It's nice and convenient for you to say there are some missing, but lets see the evidence. |
Why do I need to provide evidence? It’s your list, you’re the one who has started multiple threads on it, you’re the one driving this. I simply pointed out your list is incomplete, subjective and in a number of cases inaccurate. The burden of proof is on you pal. | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 11:42 - Mar 3 with 1437 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Hampshire's greatest footballers on 11:37 - Mar 3 by this_charming_man | Why do I need to provide evidence? It’s your list, you’re the one who has started multiple threads on it, you’re the one driving this. I simply pointed out your list is incomplete, subjective and in a number of cases inaccurate. The burden of proof is on you pal. |
They're not here moosh http://free-elements.com/England/ts0.html I have looked | |
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Hampshire's greatest footballers on 13:52 - Mar 3 with 1415 views | this_charming_man |
I never said they were in the top 100 goal scorers, that was something you said. I said there were several Southampton born players that you had missed off your list and there is. It's getting a bit embarrassing for you this isn't it. [Post edited 3 Mar 2020 13:56]
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