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Fans Parliament
at 13:06 29 May 2015

20's it's not a case of not being willing to accept anyone else's pov.
It's a case of my pov being based on a good deal of historical evidence.
Year after year of the same old rhetoric and lies followed by no action.
How anyone can even contemplate KO changing is beyond me.
If somebody is prepared to give money to that family, knowing that it could possibly be used to sue and extract money from fellow supporters, then that's their choice.
Myself I couldn't stomach it.
That was the point of no return for me as far as the Oystons are concerned.
Back to the debate.
Labelling supporters jihadists? And turning it round to try and blame supporters for us not having a successful team.
Dear me. That really is scraping the barrel.
I too am totally opposed to the FP. Why does it need another talking shop for the Oystons to know what needs doing to put things right?
It doesn't. They already know what needs doing, they just aren't prepared to do anything about it. Not now, not ever.
As I've said in a previous post, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
If this FP gets off the ground, let's see in 12 months time what it's actually achieved.
What ground breaking new initiatives have come to fruition.
What radical ideas have been implemented to improve the club?
KO will most likely make some concessions, but they won't be anything that counts or costs much money.
You might get a lick of paint on the rusting (again) steelwork. Stan might get a few extra packets of grass seed.
But I will wager anyone on here whatever sum of money they care to name, that nothing of any importance will come out of it.
So let's wait and see. I can't be fairer than that.

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Fans Parliament
at 12:33 29 May 2015

You're wasting your time biggie, he can't or won't see anyone elses point of view.
And describing supporters as Jihadists???
You really couldn't make it up.

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Fans Parliament
at 11:52 29 May 2015

Good post TAM. There is only one, possibly two people standing in the way of a successful team. I just can't get my head round this blaming the fans for our predicament.

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Fans Parliament
at 11:35 29 May 2015

I don't think you see anything TT to be honest.
You certainly can't see past the end of your nose when it comes to what the Oystons are doing to the club, sorry company.

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Fans Parliament
at 23:06 28 May 2015

Did they not witness what he did to the Morty statue?

Did they not see him mouth "Let's take a selfie" as he giggled at the desperate souls below, who just want a fair deal for their club?

Have they not experience him savaging our supporters for going slightly OTT in their criticism of him or for simply trying to stand up to him?

What does he actually need to do in order for people to accept him for what he is?

Nail on the head with those comments x3.
I totally accept that people will have different views on our predicament and how we try and move forward.
I suspect though, that even those who apply to go on this parliament know deep down what a thoroughly nasty and despicable person they will be dealing with.
After the events of the last few months who could possibly fail to see that?

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Fans Parliament
at 20:42 28 May 2015

I agree 20's. But how many clubs are run like ours?
I can think of Newcastle, but I'd take Ashley over the Oystons any day of the week. Even a mate of mine who is a Newcastle STH admits the Oystons are far worse than Ashley.
And he detests Ashley.
At the vast majority of clubs the supporters wouldn't want or need to comment on how the club is run. That's because the owners are trying to do their best for the club. Even if they're failing, at least they're trying.
Our owners aren't even trying.

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Fans Parliament
at 18:54 28 May 2015

Me too halifax. That's why this fans parliament (Koko's human shield) will never be accepted by the vast majority of fans.
It will have next to no credibility if the members are chosen by the buffoon. About on a par with FIFA for credibility I would say.
It will be a dead duck before it's even started.
Fans representatives should be chosen by the fans. End of.
Anyway, if it gets off the ground lets see what it achieves. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as the saying goes.
Let's revisit this after it's been going for say 12 months, and see what ground breaking progress has been made.

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Fans Parliament
at 15:42 28 May 2015

Lala, I'm certainly not going to start throwing abuse at anyone who signs up for this fans parliament. Least of all the likes of Wiz, who is a died in the wool long standing fan. And recently quite an outspoken critic of the Oystons, not just on internet forums, but in the more public domain of the Gazette.
It's just my opinion that they are making the wrong choice.
I genuinely think the cracks are starting to show in the so called rhino skin. Sitting round a table with fans just gives KO breathing space.
I think we should be totally cutting off the Oystons, cutting off the money supply, and not giving them any publicity or anything to hide behind.
We have a difference of opinion that's all it is.
At the end of the day I'm sure we all want what is best for our football club.
We just have different views of how we can achieve that

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at 13:46 28 May 2015

But would 12 people sat on a parliament be as representative as a supporters association with over 1,500 members?
BST has made it clear on a number of occasions it will speak to the Oystons.
OO said he wouldn't because of the ongoing legal situation with TAM and the fact he was the chairman of BST
That's now been sorted, but has he taken up the offer? NO
KO said he would only recognise or talk to them when they became a trust.
They are now a trust, but has he taken up the offer? NO

They haven't because it's all about control. Far easier to control 12 nodding dogs sat round a table than it is to control a legitimate supporters association representing more then 1,500 fans.
Quite frankly, how anyone can trust them after everything they've done, is beyond me.
The only slate the club needs is one which has been totally cleaned of all things Oyston

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at 13:31 28 May 2015

Lala, I just couldn't sit round the same table with or give money to people who are prepared to pursue actions which could potentially ruin lives. The fact those they have pursued are their own paying customers makes it even more disgusting.
I just couldn't stomach it.
The time for talking with them has long gone in my opinion.
It's no good trying to close the stable door now, the horse has bolted and is miles away.
KO hasn't put this fans parliament idea forward because he's suddenly started to care about what the fans think.
He's put it forward as a purely selfish act to form another human shield.
It's the act of an isolated, irrational and increasingly desperate man.
If it does mange to get off the ground, I'll give this fans parliament 12 months maximum.
It won't take long for the members to realise they're heading down the same route as BSA, banging their heads against a brick wall.
It also won't carry any credibility to the vast majority of the fans, the press or anyone else in the football world.
They're a busted flush. Just about everyone connected with football knows that now.
In my opinion, allowing this to go ahead would just give KO some breathing space.
And as Christine Seddon so eloquently put it, starve them of oxygen.

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at 13:07 28 May 2015

Lala, I think what people are trying to say is there is no point in taking the liberal wet lettuce approach anymore. That's been tried and failed.
The aren't for negotiating with. That's backed up by years and years of BSA banging their collective heads against a brick wall.
To me, it was KO WHO took the gloves off first when they starting suing and extracting money out of supporters.
Agreed by taking a more militant and aggressive approach to ousting them, a few peoples' feelings may get hurt.
That's a damn sight more acceptable than threatening court action and taking huge sums of money off people and potentially ruining their lives.

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Can someone explain how BST intend to buy the club?
at 12:37 28 May 2015

KO isn't clever enough to even understand the first thing about chess.
And reading that bizarre statement, it looks like it was written by a spoilt child who was screaming and throwing his toys out of the pram.
To say it was amateurish would be an understatement.

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Fans Parliament
at 12:34 28 May 2015

the destruction of the football club,

That's already happening, with or without protests, pitch invasions etc.
And if along the way somebody's feelings get a bit hurt, so what? I think it's called collateral damage TT. This IS a war of attrition for the very future of our club we're talking about.
And as for a fans parliament? A bunch of nodding dogs sat round a table trying to negotiate with a childish, bumbling oaf who has proved by previous actions, he isn't capable of negotiating. Total waste of time.
NAPM is totally justified for a number of reasons.
The main one for me is I couldn't stomach giving money which may be used to sue and extract money from a fellow supporter.
Secondly, it will remove that disgusting family from our football club.
The cracks are already beginning to show.
It would work even quicker if everybody united behind it.

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at 11:18 28 May 2015

part of the pleasure of going to watch football the NAPM argument doesn't add up.

You actually got pleasure watching that???
The NAPM argument DOES add up if you want the Oystons out.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Starve them of money and they will go, as money is their god and the only thing they're bothered about.
The cracks are starting to show in my opinion, that's no surprise as KO is now totally isolated and is showing what an astute businessman he really is. At every turn he digs himself deeper and deeper. It's one gaffe after another.
The bizarre statement issued by the 'company' yesterday is proof of the cracks.
Either that or it's the cracking up of KO's mental state.
It looks like it could have been written by a spoilt child, throwing his toys out as he couldn't get his own way. Totally bizarre, but then again nothing which comes out of the 'company' surprises me any more
Apart from that, as a matter of principle I couldn't give money to people who could possibly be using it to sue and extract money from my fellow fans.
Sorry but I just couldn't stomach that.
Even if giving that money meant I have the 'pleasure' of watching such entertaining football that's been on offer recently.
The dialogue route doesn't work, that's obvious.
In my opinion NAPM is the only way.
And yes I would settle for a few more relegations if it meant an end to the disgraceful way the club is being run.
Lower leagues with hope is far better than higher up with no hope.
Because without hope there is nothing.
And the Oystons have taken away all the hope.

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at 10:07 28 May 2015

It's like the attempts to enforce NAPM

I certainly haven't seen anyone doing any forcing.

There has to be scope for diversity even in such a toxic atmosphere as different people seek different ways to effect change.

I totally agree TT. However the dialogue way of effecting change ran its course a long time ago. How long did BSA bang their heads against a brick wall before finally giving up?
Engaging in dialogue with the Oystons is totally pointless. And I base that argument on a good deal of historical evidence.
This fans parliament is just KO trying to put together another human shield.
KO is obviously feeling the heat and feeling totally isolated. Just the fact he has come up with the ludicrous idea of a fans parliament proves that.
He hasn't come up with that idea because he's suddenly decided to care about his customers, that's for sure.
He's done it purely for selfish reasons. It's the act of an incompetent and increasingly desperate man.
If he cared one jot about his customers, he wouldn't have pursued some of the disgraceful actions we've seen recently.
Surely you can see that?
In my opinion, we're now in to the end game as far as the Oystons are concerned. It may be a long and drawn out end game. But to ensure it's as quick and painless as possible, the pressure needs to be cranked up even further.
Not give in to some stupid and pointless fans parliament idea.That just relieves the pressure on KO.
Starve them of oxygen, as Christine Seddon put it.
It's the only way.

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Fans Parliament
at 09:56 27 May 2015

I really don't like this supporter v supporter thing at all.
However in BHOK's case I'll make a reluctant exception.
In my opinion people like BHOK shoulder a percentage of the blame for why our once great club is in such a mess.
For too long people like him have been prepared to give the Oystons another chance, then another chance, then another chance.......
It's now staring them straight in front of their faces what is happening.
And still they can't see it. Still they are prepared to give them another chance.
Idiots doesn't even begin to describe them.

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Fans Parliament
at 08:47 27 May 2015

BHOK, you just never learn do you?
I've seen some rubbish spouted by you before, but your last few posts on this thread are astonishing.
You really couldn't make it up.

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some belated thoughts
at 15:07 4 Mar 2015

Best post I've seen for a while that Wiz, and obviously coming from the heart.
Get it over on the other board as it deserves a much bigger audience.
If you don't want to, can I have your permission to copy it and post it over there?

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blueprint, future, etc.
at 15:03 4 Mar 2015

How about a blueprint for the future of this message board?
It's obviously dying a slow death.
Another wrong horse backed by you know who.

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All or Nothing - anyone want us to lose every game?
at 23:04 26 Feb 2015

I understand your ambivalence towards the owners. But you are letting that get in the way of what's most important.

From where I'm standing the single most important thing is getting rid of the Oystons.
That's a battle that has to be won otherwise the club we all love is going to sink to depths none of us have seen before. And that includes the fans old enough to witness.
re-election.
Scraping the odd win or draw for the remainder of the season is small fry compared to the real battle of ridding the club of the biggest threat to it's very existence.
To me and many other fans, the football has become almost irrelevant.
There may be a team in tangerine shirts still going out on the pitch, and to those of you who can still raise enough enthusiasm to support them, you have my admiration.
It's a shell of a club, purely run for one family's greed and now seemingly for one person's childish and twisted revenge.
As far as I'm concerned there is nothing left to support.
And until they go, that's how it will remain.

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