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Comment | Southampton V Wolverhampton Wanderers The Verdict
at 12:23:58
Saturday’s game was a dreadful indictment of where our USELESS MANAGER has taken us. Forget about the zero shots on target, or the absurd passing around at the back instead of going forward, or the bizarre substitutions. When will RM ever learn that having c70% possession - as was the case at the weekend - means you have twice the chance of losing the ball and getting punished, vs having half that?!
But what really summed up the dross we are now weekly being forced to watch was when, on at least two occasions, a Wolves player took on three, yes THREE, of our players and got away from them! As Terry-Thomas used to say “What an absolute shower…”
But whatever one’s verdict on Saturday’s performance was, judging by the look on RM’s face and his demeanour after the match he knows the game is up: SO SR, IF OUR APOLOGY OF A MANAGER IS DYING TO BE TAKEN OUT OF HIS MISERY, FOR GODS SAKE DO THE RIGHT THING AND GET RID OF HIM… NOW!!!
PS. As a saddo and a masochist, I thought I would just see how, over the last ten years, teams who have been at the bottom of the table after 11 games, did by the end of the season.
The facts make stark reading, as if anybody could have imagined otherwise.
In ten cases where teams had 5 or more points (either alone or jointly) only three survived.
But only one team, out of five who had 4 or less, stayed up and that was Crystal Palace in 2017/18. They had changed their manager in September 2017 but it still took them a dozen matches to get out of the bottom three. And the name of their then new manager? That wily old fox Woy Hodgson.
Conclusion:
If we do manage to get in a VERY smart manager PDQ, and pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat, we’d still be heavy odds on to go down.
But if we don’t, as the old saying goes, there’ll be two hopes, Bob Hope and No Hope…
PS. I recall once reading about tactics in the SAS. When you are in an utterly hopeless situation, you ADVANCE, not retreat. Because you’ll certainly be done for if you go backwards, but by attacking not only will you take the enemy by surprise and put them on the defensive, but you just might win! Something which our so-called manager might care to think about…
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Comment | Southampton At Wolverhampton Wanderers The Preview
at 17:55:54
Personally i thought both teams last weekend were rubbish, it was just that the luck for once was with us. We have played better and lost but on Saturday we played dreadfully and won.
And it is Lady Luck again tomorrow that will make the difference.
Russell Martin is a poor manager but the TEAM deserves things to go their way for more than just the one game. |
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Comment | Southampton V Everton The Verdict
at 07:53:56
Well…
I had a good laugh with the people I sit next to. If you had just landed from Mars and you had to guess what the positions of the two teams in the PL were from the play, you’d be hard pressed to say anything other than bottom and second bottom. Dross was the politest word to describe it!!! Absolutely dreadful dross was probably more accurate!! The only positive for Saints was that we’ve played better and lost whereas we played appallingly yesterday, had a huge slice of luck with VAR and won. Still can’t see us surviving with our dreadful manager.
One thing I really noticed was what Everton players did when they got the ball versus what we did. When they got it, they typically turned inside and looked for an immediate forward move. Whereas what we invariably did was turn inside and pass backwards. God i wish we’d gone for Dyche when we had the chance. .., |
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Comment | Southampton V Stoke City The Carabao Cup Verdict
at 10:44:56
My only comment on last nights general dross would be, who on earth agreed to buy Cornet? Whether or not he has been any good in the past, under RM’s “brilliant” management, he makes statues look skilful and busy. Useless us being too kind.
As for the management situation, I do sense that a lot more fans have now turned against him thank God, so, scratched record I may be but, I say again RUSSELL MARTIN OUT ASAP. |
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Comment | Southampton At Manchester City The Verdict
at 10:04:30
If anyone needed an example of despair and hope, Saturday’s game epitomised it. Yes it was a more spirited performance. But so what? Because as expected we lost, not thrashed but ZERO POINTS…AGAIN!!! And basing even a grain of hope on it is like looking for flying pigs, only less probable. The way we played underlines why THERE IS ZERO CHANCE OF ANY LONG TERM IMPROVEMENT UNDER RUSSELL MARTIN AND WE MUST GET RID OF HIM NOW!
And the reason is very simple: the way we defended after going one down was good and of course we might even have got a point had the bar not got in the way. But the fact remains that RM is incapable of instilling that do or die mentality into his squad FOR THE WHOLE GAME so necessary against any team but particularly against lesser clubs than Manchester City. Furthermore, a quality manager gets his players to BELIEVE: here we are a quarter of the season gone, we have ONE LOUSY POINT, and there is zippo evidence that RM has the ability to do this.
I just hope, in the time during the (totally unjustified) apparent stay of execution he has been granted until the next international break, SR are making inroads into finding out who is available. I also sincerely hope that Rasmus Ankersen is on a final warning if not worse, as IMHO a lot of our failings lie at his door. He has legged over Dragan Solak something rotten over all his Moneyball theorising; it may have worked a few years back at Brentford, and maybe still does in the Championship, but now all teams, and particularly those in the PL, look at stats as a matter of course and any edge we just might have had has gone.
PS. Re Pep’s praise for our manager. Another sign of a good manager is always - outwardly at least - respecting your opponent. Never kick people when you are on the way up/ at the top etc…
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Comment | Southampton V Leicester City The Verdict
at 09:14:20
I was going to begin with the words “where to begin?” but the entire set up of Russell Martin’s has been andremains an utter shambles.
And a lot of people seem to think that the players have to carry their share of the blame for our pitiful display on Saturday. And I thought it was only the Italians who give up without a fight!
But that simply isn’t it, because it is the responsibility of the manager pure and simple. He tells them where to go, how to position themselves etc. and they do what they are told. And therein lies the problem. Russell Martin has no tactical nouse and just tells his players to keep doing what they have been doing at it’ll all come right. Which has proven to be cr*p.
I’ve said before, as have many others, that his team selections are all over the place, his tactics are naive and his subs baffling. But regardless of the evident truth in all those criticisms, the key point is that Russell Martin does not have the ability to MANAGE the team.
Why were the likes of Alex Ferguson and Jock Stein and Cloughie and Klopp and Pep so good? Because every player is/was prepared to DIE for their manager, and would run through doors for them, some would even take a shoe in the face for them.
But Russell Martin? If anybody seriously thinks that that is the sort of atmosphere he has created, let alone whether he can still create, with this demoralised squad, is completely off their trolley.
And yet…
I think we really do have some half decent players who would have a damned good chance of surviving in the PL (as evidenced by the H1 performance on Saturday). But the squad’s inability to see out the game is not their fault; they clearly do not know how to do it. And that is entirely the manager’s fault, because either they haven’t been told how to, or they have but he’s made it impossible (too complicated) for them to implement it, or they are not fit enough or a combination of the three.
WHICHEVER WAY YOU ARGUE IT, THE MAN IS UTTERLY INCAPABLE AND MUST BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY. END OF.
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Comment | Southampton V Leicester City The Preview
at 20:20:08
Sorry?! Russell Martin is not a bad manager?
Well if you mean championship manager maybe. But a premier league one? Oh FFS he is utter sh*te, I know it, most if not all the fans know it and come on, so do you in your heart of hearts.
Under him we are well and truly Eff You See Kayed, no more no less.
HE ABSOLUTELY 100% NO ARGUMENT MUST GO…! |
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Comment | Where Will Russell Martin's Thinking Be For Leicester Game
at 15:28:17
Bowlercow, I hate to tell you that my source too is impeccable! You can believe it or not as you like but I happen to know that RM has been told indirectly he either changes tactics or he is on his way.
The owner has invested a huge amount of money in the club and will not sanction being relegated.
When I first heard this it was before the Arsenal game I thought RM would be gone after it. Well so be he’s still around, and I have no further information but if we lose against the Foxes or even get away with a draw, I cannot see Dragan Solak being giving him any more time. The end is nigh and I reckon an increasing number of supporters are of the same opinion. |
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Comment | Southampton At Arsenal The Verdict
at 16:22:01
For goodness sake GET REAL Nick.
WE LOST!!!!! OK, so we played well but that has got eff all to do with it. We still only have ONE POINT for all our spirited huffing and puffing FFS!
I believe the end is nigh for our manager and not a moment too soon
Could I suggest everyone listens to a recording of Jim White’s programme on Talksport last Friday at around 10.45 am you can hear it by going onto the talk sport website.
Jim basically read out a comment that has reached him from a well informed source within the club. In a nutshell Russell Martin changes or he is toast. I reckon after the next game latest.
At least someone realises that we can’t go on like this unlike far too many bozos who want to give him more time.
Two expressions come to mind:
The first is the old one about despair and hope.
The other one? So much better to play badly and win rather than well and lose.
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Comment | Southampton At Bournemouth The Verdict
at 17:51:40
I think it’s much more to do with how much faith Solak still has in Rasmus Ankersen’s black box. Because I reckon Moyes would just blow it up, in other words there has to be a board room bust up for there to be any change in managerial philosophy. |
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Comment | Southampton At Bournemouth The Verdict
at 17:10:39
On April 20 1653, Cromwell addressed parliament:
It is not fit that you should sit here any longer. You have sat here too long for any good you have been doing lately … In the name of God go.“
I can think if no better words to be addressed to Russell Martin…. |
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Comment | Graham Potter Lined Up For Southampton Job
at 09:55:50
I’ve long been an advocate of booting out RM asap because he simply is not up to the task of running a PL club.
Forget about his inability to get his team selections, set-up and subs right, what all the “give-him-more-time” merchants seem to be forgetting is that last season we got promoted despite letting in 63 goals, which was 14th in the league! Now if anyone tells me that was produced from a style of play that will be successful in the Premier League, I will respond by saying you're clearly smoking the wrong sort of cigarettes.
To hell with not scoring enough goals - although it would be a bonus if we could! - teams get relegated not because they don’t score enough, but because they let too many in. And without a change in management it is a racing certainty that is the way we are going. |
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Comment | Big Big Game For Russell Martin At Bournemouth
at 12:51:43
I think Saintmark where we disagree is that you think it’s the Board’s fault us being where we are, by which I presume you mean that you think their black box buying process is cock-eyed. Whereas I happen to think we have got some good and indeed one or two very good players who are able to survive in the PL but who are currently being managed wrong. In my view RM will not succeed regardless of who he’s got in his squad because he simply has not got the wherewithal to be a successful top flight manager. |
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Comment | Big Big Game For Russell Martin At Bournemouth
at 10:14:22
I sincerely hope we do well this weekend. But I will be amazed if we do.
Because we cannot progress any further under this manager and I cannot understand how others fail to see this.
He is naive in his tactics, his set-up, his subs, his penalty taker(!). And he’s far too chummy with the players.
Are we really saying that he is doing better, or more importantly WILL FROM HEREON do better than Ralph? Or God forbid Nathan Jones?
Moreover, everybody seems to be forgetting that all the other teams around us aren’t standing still, they are all starting to get their acts together. So no matter what we do, our task will just get harder over the next few weeks.
And as for all this rubbish about five games is not long enough. How many bad results do you want before you will admit he’s no good? 8? 10? 20?
The longer SR takes to sack him the worse the pile of poo we will find ourselves. End of.
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Comment | Southampton V Ipswich Town The Verdict
at 16:26:13
Talk about a nail-biter! Which inevitably ended the way all 6-pointers do… Trouble was we were struggling through the entire game to contain…Ipswich, for God’s sake!, who are barely out of short trousers (aka L1j.
But overall was this a better performance? Well in parts, yes, especially Ramsdale, Lallana, Dibling, Fernandes and Sugawara. But then against that you have the massive negatives of Archer (such a lightweight), Harwood-Bellis (far too big-headed), Ugochukwu (slow and careless) and Ross Stewart (embarrassingly slow and unfit). So I would say on a scale of 0 to 10, we may have moved up a shade, from say around 4 to maybe 5, but still well short of what is required.
I know the optimists will say we played better, but that isn’t really the point, because WE STILL LOST! And I continue to think that under RM we really won’t, indeed cannot get much better because he is out of his depth. No one is going to wave a magic wand and suddenly make him a better manager because we have seen the total length and breadth of his talents, he’s not going to improve, and the longer SR wait to sack him - and note he will definitely be sacked, it is just a question of when - the further down the track we will be before a new manager can start to get us playing better as a team.
In a nutshell we are a half decent car being driven by a man who will forever be stuck with his L plates on. And if you need further proof, as someone else has commented, how come Fulham, a similar sized club and level of abilities to us, can do it and we can’t? Answer: the manager pure and simple. |
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Comment | Southampton Already Have Their Target To Replace Russell Martin
at 09:06:02
Goodness me I hope this is a nonsense, because frying pans and fires come to mind…
I do think RM is not capable of keeping us up but, all the same, another Championship manager? Oh pur-lease…!
That said, I get it that the number one criterion for all business owners is not to lose money.
At the moment the £120m+ the club will earn this season will go a long way to offsetting the total net outlay on players this season. To which the payoff for RM - which would presumably come out at around £5m - needs to added.
So we get relegated, we lose a number of players for whom we recoup let’s say £30m-odd.
Plus the parachute payment(s) et voila, SR are not much out of pocket, if at all.
But, if they were now to go for a high profile manager, he might cost £5m-10m a year and the cost of firing him if unsuccessful would be a lot higher.
In other words, it seems that SR believes that RM is getting the most out of this squad and a big name would not be guaranteed to do any better. And it therefore makes more economic sense to line up a cheaper “good prospect”, hence the idea of choosing Eustace over a much higher profile name, ie the whole thing is financially-based.
Sad, but that is today’s world. |
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Comment | Southampton At Everton The Carabao Cup Verdict
at 10:29:42
If you’d just landed from Mars and you watched this football match, I would imagine your friendly Martian would be pretty hard pressed not to be able to decide where these two teams currently are in the Premier League: because “mainly dross” would be the description he would undoubtedly come up with.
That said, I think it maybe showed WE ARE NO WORSE THAN EVERTON, which I suppose is something. And of course it may instil a bit of confidence in the squad for Saturday.
But I did count at least half a dozen times when we were pressed by Everton and lost the ball trying to do tippy tappy. And yet there was definitely more cases of hoofing the ball out instead. So maybe that is sign of improvement, even if better teams would take more decisive advantage, as has been shown so far this season.
Yes I know damning with faint praise but I still maintain getting out of the bottom three under this manager is going to take one helluva lot more than we showed last night, especially as we were hardly playing our reserves. |
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Comment | Will Fate Once Again Force Russell Martin's Hand
at 13:59:48
JoeEgg- agree with all that.
And in answer to your last point UNEQUIVOCALLY NO WE DO NOT.
The fact is he WILL be sacked, be it in a week, a month or a year. Because he simply does not have the wherewithal, the nouse and the tactical know how to be even a bog standard PL manager, let alone a successful one.
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