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From the article I think they now have 15 women members out of 2,400.
So maybe Dr Winston has a point above that perhaps it will take time for Islamic societies to become more enlightened - given its religion started 600 years after Christianity.
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Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 12:29 - Mar 28 with 1914 views
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 23:40 - Mar 25 by Kerouac
Many more times than you I would wager.
I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school. Even as a child I could see through religion.
However, the World's religions are on a scale regarding how many evil ideas they embrace and push and Islam my friend is Top of the Pops.
The Bible is in 2 halves. The 1st half is the old testament. A collection of old Jewish stories that contain a vengeful, spiteful God. The book of Leviticus is particularly loopy. However all of that is superseded by the second half, the New Testament. The New Testament is the story of Jesus. As a literary character you couldn't hope for a better example of a 'good man'. Which is just as well as the Christians are peddling the lie that he is the son of God and came to forgive all our sins.
The nearest thing to an equivalent of Jesus in Islam is Mohammed. Why don't you compare and contrast the two? Which of the 2 would you rather the religious minded attempt to emulate?
Please come back to me with some arguments instead of stupid questions like "have you ever read the Bible?". If you are saying Islam is just like Christianity please back your argument up.
'The New Testament is the story of Jesus. As a literary character you couldn't hope for a better example of a 'good man'. '
Jesus comes across as an example of a good man - however his assertion that he could forgive sins doesn't see to be moral.
Surely it is for the person who has had a wrong committed against them to forgive the wrong - not for Jesus to forgive the wrong and 'wash away the sins'?
Isn't that true morality?
If he is the son of God or is God (never understood this distinction) then I suppose he has the omnipotent power to forgive sins - if not then he was delusional.
Also hasn't Christianity come out of historic Master/Slave relationships as per Nietzsche's criticism and doesn't its suppression of human instincts and passions make it a lifeÂdenying religion?
Doesn't self denial and self sacrifice promote a very healthy form of existence - as per monogamy of Roman Catholic priests and resultant havoc they caused raping minors.
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Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 12:35 - Mar 28 with 1909 views
It's a nice idea but by that logic Sun worshipers are the most enlightened, followed by various versions of paganism, then the Jews and Hindus, Christians...meaning Islam is tying neck and neck in the enlightenment stakes with Bhuddism, the Sikhs must be vicious Neanderthals, the atheists are still walking on 4 legs etc.
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 12:46 - Mar 28 by Flashberryjack
No......Christianity moved forward with the changing times, whilst some religions wish to drag people back to the dark ages.
I don't quite understand that.
God is omnipotent and all seeing - when he creates a law shouldn't that be for all the ages - why does it need to change. Or is it that God's view about these laws changes through the ages? So does that mean he got it wrong in the first place for example about slavery see Exodus chapter 21?
An alternative explanation might be that man creates these laws and as society changes then the laws change? So it is not God creating these laws it is man.
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Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 14:17 - Mar 28 with 1831 views
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 09:36 - Mar 28 by Kerouac
Will reply to all of Lisa's 'Islam isn't the problem, it's individual nutters: Christianity is just as bad...nah, nah, nah-nah-nah!' argument in this post. Pay attention Humpty as the points made here will destroy your arguments as well.
If you are, then could you possibly take your 'proof' from sources that don't start off with saying stuff like 'Islam's Allah is a different God to the one that pre Islam Arabs used to worship'. Since that is, you know, completely wrong and tends to cast doubt on every other 'fact' that the site then goes on to state.
- But before Islam the Arab tribes were pagans who worshiped many different Gods. Mohammed was influenced in his ideas by Judaism and was living at a time when the radically reformed version of Judaism (Christianity) was spreading. He was heavily influenced by the ideas of Judaism and Islam was in essence a monotheistic religion designed specifically for the Arabs. I am going to copy and paste now as it is quicker and we are using the internet. I won't apologise for it :) "The principles of Islam were developed over time and, as was the case with earlier men professing to be prophets, not everyone was willing to accept Muhammad's claim to be God's messenger. Muhammad was attacking the way of life of the more powerful families in the Quraysh tribe, and they were not happy about it. In addition to having to persevere the criticism of his views, he also suffered terribly when his wife and uncle died in the same year.
In 622, Muhammad left Mecca for an oasis then known as Yathrib. This trip became known as the hejira, the flight from persecution in Mecca. The term has also come to mean leaving a pagan community for one that adheres to the laws of Islam. In his new home, which was later renamed Medina, Muhammad became a mediator, arbitrating disputes between tribes.
Interestingly, Medina also had a sizeable Jewish community, which had probably moved there after being expelled from Palestine by the Romans. Muhammad respected the Jews, and his early teachings appeared to borrow from Jewish tradition. The Jews began to distance themselves from Muhammad, however, when he became critical of their not recognizing him as a prophet.
Once it was clear the Jews would not accept him, Muhammad began to minimize or eliminate the Jewish influence on his beliefs. For example, he shifted the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Mecca, made Friday his special day of prayer, and renounced the Jewish dietary laws (except for the prohibition on eating pork). Originally, he said the Arabs were descendants of Abraham through his son Ishmael, but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he "surrendered himself to Allah."
One of the immediate consequences of Muhammad's frustration was the expulsion of two Jewish tribes from Medina and the murder of all the members of a third Jewish tribe (except for the women and children, who were sold into slavery). But even worse for the long-term treatment of the Jews were a number of inflammatory statements about Jews that Muhammad made that appear in the Koran – which, over the years, stoked Arab/Islamic anti-Semitism.
Muhammad slowly began to build his power base both by the persuasiveness of his faith and the old-fashioned way: by marrying women from important families to gain political advantage. He came to control the oases and markets, which forced other traders and tribesmen to negotiate with him. When he finally returned to Mecca, it was at the head of an imposing army that forced the residents to capitulate."
.....and finally, have you ever heard of 'The Satanic Verses'?
"Vehement protest against Rushdie's book" began with the title itself. The title refers to a legend of the Prophet Mohammad, when a few verses were supposedly spoken by him as part of the Qur'an, and then withdrawn on the grounds that the devil had sent them to deceive Mohammad into thinking they came from God. These "Satanic Verses" are found in verses eighteen to twenty-two in suraht An-Najim of the Qur'an,[13] and by accounts from Tabari, but is seldom mentioned in the first biography of Mohammad by Ibn Ishaq. The verses also appear in other accounts of the prophet's life. They permitted prayer to three pre-Islamic Meccan goddesses: Al-lÄt, Uzza, and ManÄt–a violation of monotheism."
Also if you could avoid stating nonsense such as 'the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament' then that would also be great, since, again, that is wrong.
- No. The Jews believed a 'Messiah' would be sent from God (they are still waiting), Jesus claimed to be that messiah....the Jews rejected this notion. Therefore if you believe he was the messiah sent by God (a Christian) you believe that his word is final, as it is God's word.
Just to give you a hint to start you off, the three religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have exactly the same Abrahamic God - 'Allah' is simply Arabic for 'God'. Same one they are talking about. And both Judaism and Islam recognise Jesus as well as Christianity. The only difference is that Judaism and Islam recognise Jesus as a prophet not the 'Son of God'.
- As there is no evidence whatsoever of God, God is not a single entity but merely an idea. You've admitted yourself that you believe in a God, your OWN VERSION. Your confusion comes from the fact that Christianity is a successful sect of Judaism and that Mohammed made claims for his version of God which trampled on the Jews and the Christians version....specifically in order that the narrative of his religion would supersede the Jewish and Christian religions and give him the excuse for military conquest in the region. That is what is really sinister about Islam. It seeks to tell Jews and Christians that they are wrong, that they are heretics and that they must submit to the new religion.
Whatever type of Jesus you are talking about of course, the reality is that he was Jewish and therefore, the Old Testament is exactly the religious teaching he would have adhered to, with all those lovely quotes about stoning people and women and homosexuality that you seem to believe only apply in Islam. You can probably get some lovely quotes if you wish from the Westboro Church loons, who are the Christian equivalent of the 'Islamic scholars' that you love to quote so often. Meanwhile, the rest of the sane world writes them off as crazy morons in much the way that the vast majority of Moslems writes off their loons as crazy morons.
- Yes he was Jewish. He revolted against Judaism though. Taught a different code and as a result we have a new religion called Christianity. Ever heard of the Jesus quote "‘Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone"? Here's the full story (COPY 'N PASTE AGAIN.....APOLOGIES TO ANY INTELLECTUALS OFFENDED) They bring in an adulteress, and invite Jesus to pass judgment upon her: should she be stoned, as Moses taught, or not? Jesus first ignores the interruption, and writes on the ground as though he does not hear them. But after the religious leaders continue their challenge, he states that the one who is without sin is the one who should cast the first stone. The religious leaders depart, leaving Jesus and the woman in the midst of the crowd. Jesus then asks the woman if anyone has condemned her. When she answers that no one has condemned her, Jesus says that he, too, does not condemn her, and tells her to go and sin no more.
Re: Your comment on American Christian "loons" Yes but in the country where Christianity's fundamentalists live and preach it is perfectly fine to be a homosexual isn't it? Homosexuals can get married there can't they? Women who commit adultery are not stoned are they? How about young adults who reject Christianity? If somebody steals are their hands chopped off? How about the rights of women? Does that society welcome people of differing faiths? Are they allowed to build temples and live peaceful lives?
Now. How does this compare with every country where the dominant faith is Islam? Can the fact that life in Islamic countries is dominated by the teachings of the fundamentalist nutters be put down to there simply being more nutters that reside in these countries than America or the rest of Christendom?
No. The answer lies in the religion. When the Christians had their reformation people like Martin Luther were railing against the corruption of the Catholic Church, the unnecessary, un-Christian traditions. Martin Luther and his ilk said ; 'We can ditch all of this shite and just follow the example of Christ' This was the breakthrough in Europe. This is why we live in the kind of societies we do. We were freed from that 'ol time religion....and a greater emphasis was put on the teachings of Christ (among the religious minded). A man who was a good example.
The Koran is the literal word of God (if you believe in Islam), within it's pages are a whole lot of bad ideas....read it. Mohammed was his messenger, the example....he is a fukkin awful example to humanity. People in the West sometimes hope that Islam can go through something like the Christian reformation and become more peaceful and tolerant. ISLAM IS GOING THROUGH A REFORMATION RIGHT NOW! It is just not to our tastes. The Islamic terrorists are railing against the hypocrisy of their societies and are seeking to bring about a society that follows the teachings of Mohammed to the letter. THAT'S WHY ISLAMIC SCHOLARS ARE REFUSING TO CONDEMN THEM, IF YOU BELIEVE IN ISLAM YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE FOR BLASPHEMY/APOSTASY. ISIS are following the teachings of Mohammed to the letter. Saudi Arabia follows 99% of Mohammed's teachings but is compromised in the Islamist's view because of their alliance with the USA. Everywhere where Islamic populations throw off the shackles of dictators and get a say at the ballot box they vote FOR MORE ISLAM.
Still, at least we have the variety of you using a different name to post these days, although the signature mix of falsehood, hatred and selective googling of nonsense from other hate filled morons remains intact as does your constant claim to have 'read' both the Koran and the Bible (which seems a bit odd given that you constantly resort to google and also are unable to recognise when the results of your googling throw up stuff that's plain wrong but there we go - perhaps you're just a bit thick)?
- You really need to front up and back up your accusations with some detail and some evidence OR APOLOGISE. I will leave the readers to decide who is "thick" or not.
For a start stop twisting what I am saying. There is nothing 'nah, nah, nah-nah-nah' in anything I've said - I don't find any of it remotely amusing.
I have already said on a number of occasions people who follow Islam or. Christianity, or Judaism choose which bits of their religious books to follow and which to ignore. you seem to believe that Moslems are the only ones who don't do that and you are wrong.
On the individual points you make, the God of Islam is the same as the God of Judaism or Christianity. Any point about people from any part of the world having different Gods when they were pagans is utterly irrelevant. The Old Testament may be annoying for your argument, but it is not as you put it elsewhere, a bunch of 'Jewish stories' anymore than the Koran is a bunch of stories. The Old Testament is believed by those who believe it the actual word of God, and I have already shown the Bible passage where Jesus States categorically that the laws still apply (not one iota, not a dot do not).
With regard to America - the funny thing about your argument is despite its separation of Church and State, the past generation has seen the growing increase and influence of fundamentalist Christianity on US politics. If staunch republicans had their way, the Bible (including the Old Testament) would play a massive part in policy making and education.
Finally, IS are NOT following Islamic teaching to the letter. The vast majority of Islamic scholars have utterly denounced them. Yes, there are nutters that won't, but virtually all do.
You are falling into the trap that they want you to fall into - all Moslems are bad, let's have a religious war.
I can't be bothered to argue further on this as you just will not listen to any rational arguments about any of it. I just think it's sad that you can't see that most Moslems are just like you or I - trying to have a peaceful life with their family.
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Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 16:47 - Mar 28 with 1777 views
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 14:17 - Mar 28 by londonlisa2001
For a start stop twisting what I am saying. There is nothing 'nah, nah, nah-nah-nah' in anything I've said - I don't find any of it remotely amusing.
I have already said on a number of occasions people who follow Islam or. Christianity, or Judaism choose which bits of their religious books to follow and which to ignore. you seem to believe that Moslems are the only ones who don't do that and you are wrong.
On the individual points you make, the God of Islam is the same as the God of Judaism or Christianity. Any point about people from any part of the world having different Gods when they were pagans is utterly irrelevant. The Old Testament may be annoying for your argument, but it is not as you put it elsewhere, a bunch of 'Jewish stories' anymore than the Koran is a bunch of stories. The Old Testament is believed by those who believe it the actual word of God, and I have already shown the Bible passage where Jesus States categorically that the laws still apply (not one iota, not a dot do not).
With regard to America - the funny thing about your argument is despite its separation of Church and State, the past generation has seen the growing increase and influence of fundamentalist Christianity on US politics. If staunch republicans had their way, the Bible (including the Old Testament) would play a massive part in policy making and education.
Finally, IS are NOT following Islamic teaching to the letter. The vast majority of Islamic scholars have utterly denounced them. Yes, there are nutters that won't, but virtually all do.
You are falling into the trap that they want you to fall into - all Moslems are bad, let's have a religious war.
I can't be bothered to argue further on this as you just will not listen to any rational arguments about any of it. I just think it's sad that you can't see that most Moslems are just like you or I - trying to have a peaceful life with their family.
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70 dead and 300 injured yesterday.
Christians persecuting Muslims again as they celebrated Easter at a fun park in Lahore.
Have I said anywhere that Christians are persecuting or attacking Moslems in great numbers? No.
Have I said at any point that the terrorist scumbags are not Moslem? No.
My entire point is that it is all political not religious. They cannot possibly get enough support for their madness politically so they are trying to make it into a religious war so that ordinary Moslems will support them and they suddenly have access to many many more people to act as fodder for them. They are attempting to get westerners to see it as that as well to turn western nations against their Moslem citizens to make a Holy War more likely. The reaction of people such as Trump help them not hinder them. It has been widely reported that the reaction of Europe to the refugees has angered them as it doesn't play into their 'Westerners hate Moslems' narrative.
The utterly despicable attack in Lahore yesterday demonstrates yet again that they make absolutely no distinction between killing Moslems or Christians (far more Moslems were killed in this attack than Christians as one would expect). They did it on Easter Sunday because it fits their narrative. But read the rest of the article about the political issues involved.
You can and doubtless will post more and more articles about their atrocities - it is not religious it is a struggle for land and power and money and oil.
The points about the Bible that I make are an attempt to demonstrate to you that all religions can be used to support atrocity if necessary. That is why so many over the years have done it. It gives them credibility in their eyes and helps recruit the ignorant.
Do you think Hitler and the Nazis behaved as they did because they were religious? You'd presumably say no. But in which case, why did they exterminate 6million people because of their different religion? Power, money, control. They used religion as an excuse. Why can't you see that is also what's happening at the moment? And in exactly the same way as you couldn't accuse other European Christians of supporting the Nazis, why do you accuse other Moslems of supporting IS?
It's always the same sh*t at the end of the day, whatever excuse is made for it.
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Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 19:37 - Mar 28 with 1693 views
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 12:29 - Mar 28 by Nookiejack
'The New Testament is the story of Jesus. As a literary character you couldn't hope for a better example of a 'good man'. '
Jesus comes across as an example of a good man - however his assertion that he could forgive sins doesn't see to be moral.
Surely it is for the person who has had a wrong committed against them to forgive the wrong - not for Jesus to forgive the wrong and 'wash away the sins'?
Isn't that true morality?
If he is the son of God or is God (never understood this distinction) then I suppose he has the omnipotent power to forgive sins - if not then he was delusional.
Also hasn't Christianity come out of historic Master/Slave relationships as per Nietzsche's criticism and doesn't its suppression of human instincts and passions make it a lifeÂdenying religion?
Doesn't self denial and self sacrifice promote a very healthy form of existence - as per monogamy of Roman Catholic priests and resultant havoc they caused raping minors.
The idea is that Jesus is God on earth. So God is forgiving your sins. I'm not defending Christianity. I'm an atheist. I think it's all bollocks.
What I am saying is that the ideas contained within the religion are important because when enough of the population believe in it they help shape society. Therefore religions can be graded by how dangerous their particular brand of bollocks is. Islam being the most dangerous.
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 19:37 - Mar 28 by Kerouac
The idea is that Jesus is God on earth. So God is forgiving your sins. I'm not defending Christianity. I'm an atheist. I think it's all bollocks.
What I am saying is that the ideas contained within the religion are important because when enough of the population believe in it they help shape society. Therefore religions can be graded by how dangerous their particular brand of bollocks is. Islam being the most dangerous.
If his isn't anything to do with religion......how is it that nearly all of our home grown terrorists are radicalised in mosques.
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 13:14 - Mar 28 by Nookiejack
I don't quite understand that.
God is omnipotent and all seeing - when he creates a law shouldn't that be for all the ages - why does it need to change. Or is it that God's view about these laws changes through the ages? So does that mean he got it wrong in the first place for example about slavery see Exodus chapter 21?
An alternative explanation might be that man creates these laws and as society changes then the laws change? So it is not God creating these laws it is man.
Of course all laws are created by man.
However man made religions contain ideas, claim moral authority and shape the way people who believe in them think. Therefore effecting the law and the moral code of society depending on a religion's influence in that society....ie. that religion's share of the population.
The ideas expressed in the Bible....specifically the new testament and the example of Christ allowed room for debate about what is right and wrong and allowed some citizens of largely Christian societies to reject the ideas of the Bible and express ideas that directly opposed monotheism and religion in general. e.g. 1 In the societies of Christendom it is possible to reject religion and not be punished (never mind put to death). There were always those who sought to use religion (and specifically the Old Testament) to justify all kinds of evil.....but ultimately Jesus Christ didn't support putting people to death for such things which allowed the room for reform of the religion and society.
e.g. 2 There are those Christians in America who would like to use the Old Testament to persecute homosexuals.....but ultimately Jesus only had this to say on homosexuality; http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/born_gay.html ....and answer me this, is it possible for a homosexual to live peacefully without persecution in America (the society these nutters reside)?
Now look at all the societies where Islam is the dominant religion and you will see almost uniform attitudes on what is right or wrong. How Jews are treated. How women are treated. How homosexuals are treated etc. Now ask yourself WHY this should be so?
The answer lies in the religion itself. To Muslims the Koran is the word of God (and it has a very different sense of what is right or wrong compared to Jesus Christ. It cannot be argued with. Apostasy is punishable by death. It demands submission, not only by muslims but by non muslims. Look at the plurality of these societies. Look at the history of how Islam got to be the dominant religion in the first place. Look at their laws. Now go read their holy books. Why?
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 20:08 - Mar 28 by Kerouac
Of course all laws are created by man.
However man made religions contain ideas, claim moral authority and shape the way people who believe in them think. Therefore effecting the law and the moral code of society depending on a religion's influence in that society....ie. that religion's share of the population.
The ideas expressed in the Bible....specifically the new testament and the example of Christ allowed room for debate about what is right and wrong and allowed some citizens of largely Christian societies to reject the ideas of the Bible and express ideas that directly opposed monotheism and religion in general. e.g. 1 In the societies of Christendom it is possible to reject religion and not be punished (never mind put to death). There were always those who sought to use religion (and specifically the Old Testament) to justify all kinds of evil.....but ultimately Jesus Christ didn't support putting people to death for such things which allowed the room for reform of the religion and society.
e.g. 2 There are those Christians in America who would like to use the Old Testament to persecute homosexuals.....but ultimately Jesus only had this to say on homosexuality; http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/born_gay.html ....and answer me this, is it possible for a homosexual to live peacefully without persecution in America (the society these nutters reside)?
Now look at all the societies where Islam is the dominant religion and you will see almost uniform attitudes on what is right or wrong. How Jews are treated. How women are treated. How homosexuals are treated etc. Now ask yourself WHY this should be so?
The answer lies in the religion itself. To Muslims the Koran is the word of God (and it has a very different sense of what is right or wrong compared to Jesus Christ. It cannot be argued with. Apostasy is punishable by death. It demands submission, not only by muslims but by non muslims. Look at the plurality of these societies. Look at the history of how Islam got to be the dominant religion in the first place. Look at their laws. Now go read their holy books. Why?
I'm sure the homosexuals of Uganda and many other nations will be thrilled to hear that their Christian society doesn't have a problem with their lifestyle.
Perhaps you could let them know next time one of them is sentenced to death.
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Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 20:35 - Mar 28 with 1627 views
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 20:25 - Mar 28 by londonlisa2001
I'm sure the homosexuals of Uganda and many other nations will be thrilled to hear that their Christian society doesn't have a problem with their lifestyle.
Perhaps you could let them know next time one of them is sentenced to death.
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 19:27 - Mar 28 by londonlisa2001
I have no idea what on earth your point is.
Have I said anywhere that Christians are persecuting or attacking Moslems in great numbers? No.
Have I said at any point that the terrorist scumbags are not Moslem? No.
My entire point is that it is all political not religious. They cannot possibly get enough support for their madness politically so they are trying to make it into a religious war so that ordinary Moslems will support them and they suddenly have access to many many more people to act as fodder for them. They are attempting to get westerners to see it as that as well to turn western nations against their Moslem citizens to make a Holy War more likely. The reaction of people such as Trump help them not hinder them. It has been widely reported that the reaction of Europe to the refugees has angered them as it doesn't play into their 'Westerners hate Moslems' narrative.
The utterly despicable attack in Lahore yesterday demonstrates yet again that they make absolutely no distinction between killing Moslems or Christians (far more Moslems were killed in this attack than Christians as one would expect). They did it on Easter Sunday because it fits their narrative. But read the rest of the article about the political issues involved.
You can and doubtless will post more and more articles about their atrocities - it is not religious it is a struggle for land and power and money and oil.
The points about the Bible that I make are an attempt to demonstrate to you that all religions can be used to support atrocity if necessary. That is why so many over the years have done it. It gives them credibility in their eyes and helps recruit the ignorant.
Do you think Hitler and the Nazis behaved as they did because they were religious? You'd presumably say no. But in which case, why did they exterminate 6million people because of their different religion? Power, money, control. They used religion as an excuse. Why can't you see that is also what's happening at the moment? And in exactly the same way as you couldn't accuse other European Christians of supporting the Nazis, why do you accuse other Moslems of supporting IS?
It's always the same sh*t at the end of the day, whatever excuse is made for it.
Yes I heard some Pakistani news reporter saying that it was not specifically aimed at Christians and more Muslims were killed.
I heard on the Radio news little more than an hour ago that the group responsible had issued a statement which I will have to paraphrase as lo and behold I can't find it ANYWHERE on the internet, not on the BBC news, or Sky or Al Jazeera.
"We have specifically targetted only Christians in this attack. It was their festival. We have been waiting a long time for this".
Not surrising that that has been kept quiet.
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 21:28 - Mar 28 with 1571 views
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 21:00 - Mar 28 by Brynmill_Jack
Yes I heard some Pakistani news reporter saying that it was not specifically aimed at Christians and more Muslims were killed.
I heard on the Radio news little more than an hour ago that the group responsible had issued a statement which I will have to paraphrase as lo and behold I can't find it ANYWHERE on the internet, not on the BBC news, or Sky or Al Jazeera.
"We have specifically targetted only Christians in this attack. It was their festival. We have been waiting a long time for this".
Not surrising that that has been kept quiet.
It hasn't been kept quiet. BBC Radio 4 has been reporting all day that the Taliban claim to have specifically targeted Christians.
Explosions at Brussels airport and a metro station on 14:17 - Mar 28 by londonlisa2001
For a start stop twisting what I am saying. There is nothing 'nah, nah, nah-nah-nah' in anything I've said - I don't find any of it remotely amusing.
I have already said on a number of occasions people who follow Islam or. Christianity, or Judaism choose which bits of their religious books to follow and which to ignore. you seem to believe that Moslems are the only ones who don't do that and you are wrong.
On the individual points you make, the God of Islam is the same as the God of Judaism or Christianity. Any point about people from any part of the world having different Gods when they were pagans is utterly irrelevant. The Old Testament may be annoying for your argument, but it is not as you put it elsewhere, a bunch of 'Jewish stories' anymore than the Koran is a bunch of stories. The Old Testament is believed by those who believe it the actual word of God, and I have already shown the Bible passage where Jesus States categorically that the laws still apply (not one iota, not a dot do not).
With regard to America - the funny thing about your argument is despite its separation of Church and State, the past generation has seen the growing increase and influence of fundamentalist Christianity on US politics. If staunch republicans had their way, the Bible (including the Old Testament) would play a massive part in policy making and education.
Finally, IS are NOT following Islamic teaching to the letter. The vast majority of Islamic scholars have utterly denounced them. Yes, there are nutters that won't, but virtually all do.
You are falling into the trap that they want you to fall into - all Moslems are bad, let's have a religious war.
I can't be bothered to argue further on this as you just will not listen to any rational arguments about any of it. I just think it's sad that you can't see that most Moslems are just like you or I - trying to have a peaceful life with their family.
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You can't be bothered? I can't be bothered to "debate" with someone who makes unfounded personal allegations (slander) and refuses to either back them up or apologise. Stay classy San diego!
Your debating style can be described thus; - State something false (even if we would all like it to be true) - Do not respond to the evidence I have then posted which proves that your statement was false. - Move the goalposts and repeat.
I'll take what you said here; "On the individual points you make, the God of Islam is the same as the God of Judaism or Christianity. ....and respond, because it is a very important point.
If I was to start my own religion, write my own holy book, which concluded that Mohammed was not in fact a Muslim but actually a misunderstood prophet of the church of Kerouac....the scriptures have been corrupted down the ages see....and proceeded to paint a picture of Mohammed and God which directly contradicted the Islamic versions. If I were to write up an end times story which has Mohammed come back to lead the followers of the church of Kerouac against the Muslims and everybody else (who all must submit to MY God). If I were to claim that Mecca was a holy city of the church of Kerouac and I and my followers must have unfettered access to it from this day forward. If I were to add that God has revealed to me that I am the final prophet and every religion of the world and anyone else who comes after me are all frauds, heretics, who must be dealt with accordingly. If I was to then raise an army and roam around the middle east murdering people who stood in my and most importantly my religion's way. etc.
.....I imagine the Muslims would be most pished off with that would they not? I don't imagine you or the other apologists for this religion would have much good to say about me either do you? Or would you wheel out the "the God of Kerouacism is the same as the God of Islam" line and apologise for my actions?
You see, this is what Mohammed did. And this is what Islam is.
They also gave some of the political context behind it but I know we don't like that type of stuff on here.
We like it nice and simple. Muslims are evil.
The political context was partly to do with the repeal of the blasphemy law. A christian woman is still in jail (she was actually sentenced to death) because her muslim co workers accused her of insulting the prophet mohammed in a dispute that arose in the fields where they were working.
The woman, apparently drank the same water as them and they didn't like it. The argument escalated and the local Imam was informed who issued a fatwah, sentencing Asia Bibi to death for blasphemy.
The law was repealed by repeated protests and lobbying by politicians, notably Christiian minorities minister Shabaz Bhatti and Pakistani politician Salmaan Taseer. Both were assasinated as a result.
From Wikipedia :-
Assassinations of Taseer and Bhatti[edit]
Salmaan Taseer, who was assassinated for supporting Aasiya "Asia Bibi" Noreen and for opposing Pakistan's blasphemy laws On 4 January 2011, at Kohsar Market of Islamabad, the governor of Punjab, Salmaan Taseer, was assassinated by Malik Mumtaz Hussein Qadri, a 26-year-old member of his security team, because of his defence of Noreen and opposition to the blasphemy law. (Mumtaz Qadri was sentenced to death for the assassination and hanged on February 29, 2016.) Taseer was outspoken in his criticism of the law and the verdict in Noreen's case. The next day, thousands turned up for the governor's funeral in Lahore in spite of warnings by the Taliban and some clerics,[16] while a portion of the Pakistani population also praised Qadri as a hero;[42] thousands of Sunni Muslims rallied in support of the blasphemy laws in Pakistan after the murder,[8] and 500 Barelvi clerics prohibited their followers from sending condolences to the family of Taseer.[43] This resulted in concerns that the public was becoming tolerant of extremists.[43]
Prison officials said that Noreen "wept inconsolably" on learning of Taseer's assassination while repeatedly saying, "That man came here and he sacrificed his life for me."[27] Father Andrew Nisari, a senior Catholic Spokesperson in Lahore, described the situation as "utter chaos".[27] Seven months later, Taseer's 28-year-old son, Shahbaz, was kidnapped.[44] Shahbahz was later found or released in March 2016, and he returned to Lahore on March 9 after five years in captivity.[45]
Minority Affairs Minister Shahbaz Bhatti said that he was first threatened with death in June 2010 when he was told that he would be beheaded if he attempted to change the blasphemy laws. In response, he told reporters that he was "committed to the principle of justice for the people of Pakistan" and willing to die fighting for Noreen's release.[13] On 2 March 2011, Bhatti was shot dead by gunmen who ambushed his car near his residence in Islamabad, presumably because of his position on the blasphemy laws. He had been the only Christian member of Pakistan's cabinet.[43]
So this bodyguard turned on his employer and murdered him because he wanted to repeal a law that was going to kill a christian woman for arguing with her workmates! That sounds reasonable to me..........................................
In the same article it stated that 10,000,000 pakistanis surveyed had stated that they would have killed Asia Bibi themselves for reward or Religious reasons. Hmmmnnnnn
Oh and here is some of the local reaction regarding Asia Bibi and what quite a lot of people over there would like to do to her :-
The general population was less sympathetic towards Noreen. Several signs were erected in Sheikhupura and other rural areas declaring support for the blasphemy laws, including one that called for Noreen to be beheaded.[27] Mohammad Saleem, a member of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan Party, organized a demonstration in Rawalpindi and led a small crowd chanting, "Hang her, hang her."[11] In December 2010, a month after Noreen's conviction, a Muslim cleric announced a 500,000 Pakistani rupee award (the equivalent of $10,000)[6] to anyone who would kill her.[3][41] One survey reported that around 10 million Pakistanis had said that they would be willing to personally kill her out of either religious conviction or for the reward.[6] The village mosque in Ittan Wali was reportedly indifferent towards Noreen's plight; its imam, Qari Mohammed Salim, stated that he had wept for joy on learning that she had been sentenced to death and threatened that some people would "take the law into their own hands" should she be pardoned or released.[13] However, journalist Julie McCarthy suggested that the country's "more peaceful majority views" had been overshadowed by the more vocal fundamentalists.[11]
Noreen's family has received threats and has gone into hiding.[13] Ashiq, her husband, stated that he was afraid to let their children go outside. He also expressed concern about how Noreen would be kept safe should she be released, saying, "No one will let her live. The mullahs are saying they will kill her when she comes out."[13] Her family declined to leave the country while she remained in prison, but Italy, France, and Spain all offered to grant her and her family asylum in the event of her release.
Oh my. All this for sharing the muslim workers' water, probably because , as a Christian the viewed her to be unclean.
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Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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