| The Rugby Regions in Wales 13:15 - Mar 17 with 1832 views | union_jack |
Not a new proposal but an interesting article stating Sam Warburton’s views on scrapping one region. Is this the right thing to do, should it be two or does the problem lay far deeper than this and a root and branch exercise be carried out from the very top to the very bottom?
Who would you propose getting scrapped? The Dragons would have to be first on the list but it gets trickier if more than region has to go.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/sam-warburton-calls-welsh-t |  |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:31 - Mar 17 with 1497 views | trampie |
Things are so dire it might be best if all of them go and they get replaced with East Wales and West Wales, things might have gone too far now to have 4 bona fide regions like the Irish have, Swansea, Cardiff, Llanelli people ruined rugby they wanted to keep their name, their colours etc |  |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:42 - Mar 17 with 1484 views | union_jack |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:31 - Mar 17 by trampie |
Things are so dire it might be best if all of them go and they get replaced with East Wales and West Wales, things might have gone too far now to have 4 bona fide regions like the Irish have, Swansea, Cardiff, Llanelli people ruined rugby they wanted to keep their name, their colours etc |
I agree with that in that the only true region who entered into the spirit of it all were The Isoreys.
But an East v West would imo be incredibly difficult to muster support for. People don’t readily identify as east or west Walians but do as Cardiff, Newport, Llanelli etc.
It’s a mess and tinkering or making bold alterations without rigorous due diligence will not fix it. Painful times for Wales ahead but I’m positive they’ll be back in the future. One thing they need to realise though is that football is a far better supported sport at all levels in Wales these days. | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:51 - Mar 17 with 1448 views | onehunglow |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:42 - Mar 17 by union_jack |
I agree with that in that the only true region who entered into the spirit of it all were The Isoreys.
But an East v West would imo be incredibly difficult to muster support for. People don’t readily identify as east or west Walians but do as Cardiff, Newport, Llanelli etc.
It’s a mess and tinkering or making bold alterations without rigorous due diligence will not fix it. Painful times for Wales ahead but I’m positive they’ll be back in the future. One thing they need to realise though is that football is a far better supported sport at all levels in Wales these days. |
Shows our Nate problem
We are tribal
English speaking Welsh speaking
North east south west
It's pitiful isn't
East Wales based in Cardiff
West Wales on Swansea
Two highest cities and in some ways , the only ones that matter  |  |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 14:05 - Mar 17 with 1438 views | union_jack |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:42 - Mar 17 by union_jack |
I agree with that in that the only true region who entered into the spirit of it all were The Isoreys.
But an East v West would imo be incredibly difficult to muster support for. People don’t readily identify as east or west Walians but do as Cardiff, Newport, Llanelli etc.
It’s a mess and tinkering or making bold alterations without rigorous due diligence will not fix it. Painful times for Wales ahead but I’m positive they’ll be back in the future. One thing they need to realise though is that football is a far better supported sport at all levels in Wales these days. |
Who the hell The Isoreys are I’ve no idea. Ospreys!!! | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 14:06 - Mar 17 with 1429 views | union_jack |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:51 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
Shows our Nate problem
We are tribal
English speaking Welsh speaking
North east south west
It's pitiful isn't
East Wales based in Cardiff
West Wales on Swansea
Two highest cities and in some ways , the only ones that matter |
The Turks won’t like that😂 | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 14:52 - Mar 17 with 1385 views | Whiterockin |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:31 - Mar 17 by trampie |
Things are so dire it might be best if all of them go and they get replaced with East Wales and West Wales, things might have gone too far now to have 4 bona fide regions like the Irish have, Swansea, Cardiff, Llanelli people ruined rugby they wanted to keep their name, their colours etc |
I've heard murmurings for a while of three regions but not the ones you automatically think of. East Wales, West Wales and North Wales [RGC]. RGC for those who are not familiar are the North Wales team that play in the Super Rygbi Cymru League, the semi professional league in Wales just below the regions, they also have a development pathway with the WRU. I have also heard that Cardiff and Newport would alternate home fixture as would Llanelli and Swansea. It could get very messy. |  | | |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 15:05 - Mar 17 with 1369 views | Kilkennyjack |
I think only Swansea and Cardiff can compete, maybe Newport.
Huge tests for Ospreys against the very best players every single week.
Thats the reality and its not fair on traditional clubs like Neath and Llanelli. |  |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 15:21 - Mar 17 with 1354 views | trampie |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:42 - Mar 17 by union_jack |
I agree with that in that the only true region who entered into the spirit of it all were The Isoreys.
But an East v West would imo be incredibly difficult to muster support for. People don’t readily identify as east or west Walians but do as Cardiff, Newport, Llanelli etc.
It’s a mess and tinkering or making bold alterations without rigorous due diligence will not fix it. Painful times for Wales ahead but I’m positive they’ll be back in the future. One thing they need to realise though is that football is a far better supported sport at all levels in Wales these days. |
The Ospreys weren't a true region, they were initially called Neath-Swansea playing in black and white, then due to the outcry that followed they tried to brand themselves as all inclusive, the village I'm from have played Neath and Swansea over the years they are rival teams I would not follow an outfit named Neath or Swansea.
If it was Glamorgan or West Glamorgan for example great, but not Neath-Swansea playing in black and white no way, I knew a Aberavon supporter that attended games all the time and he would have nothing to do with them as they were Neath-Swansea playing in black or white. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:24]
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 15:39 - Mar 17 with 1314 views | union_jack |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 15:21 - Mar 17 by trampie |
The Ospreys weren't a true region, they were initially called Neath-Swansea playing in black and white, then due to the outcry that followed they tried to brand themselves as all inclusive, the village I'm from have played Neath and Swansea over the years they are rival teams I would not follow an outfit named Neath or Swansea.
If it was Glamorgan or West Glamorgan for example great, but not Neath-Swansea playing in black and white no way, I knew a Aberavon supporter that attended games all the time and he would have nothing to do with them as they were Neath-Swansea playing in black or white. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:24]
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Can’t argue with that. It’s all in the name I agree.
But East v West is not going to enthuse anyone I’d have thought. It could possibly end up being more divisive just as the early years of the Ospreys were between Neath and Swansea. Not a problem now that they’re called The Ospreys and play in Swansea😁 | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 17:48 - Mar 17 with 1244 views | majorraglan |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:51 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
Shows our Nate problem
We are tribal
English speaking Welsh speaking
North east south west
It's pitiful isn't
East Wales based in Cardiff
West Wales on Swansea
Two highest cities and in some ways , the only ones that matter |
But Parc Y Scarlets was a a much better ground than the project the Ospreys have in the pipeline and it will have a bigger capacity…..
I think we have to lose a region and in terms of chimneys etc it makes sense to lose the Scarlets, but if we’re being honest the Scarlets have produced a lot more internationals in the last 15 years (as have the Ospreys) than the Dragons or Cardiff. I’d axe the Dragons, but there’s a huge risk that this will disenfranchise a lot of fans. | | | |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 19:12 - Mar 17 with 1172 views | builthjack |
Nobody from the Welsh rugby world has mentioned that an awful lot of kids prefer to play football. |  |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 19:19 - Mar 17 with 1163 views | union_jack |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 19:12 - Mar 17 by builthjack |
Nobody from the Welsh rugby world has mentioned that an awful lot of kids prefer to play football. |
It needs consideration for sure. I mentioned this above. | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 19:33 - Mar 17 with 1141 views | Treforys_Jack |
The Turks got to take a large part of the blame, they were so insular in their thinking, a small town in West Wales shouldn't be it's own region, Llanelli, Bridgend, Aberavon, Swansea and Neath should have merged, would have been a super region. They could be called something around the counties or ancient tribes, Dementae maybe 😆 [Post edited 17 Mar 19:34]
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 20:15 - Mar 17 with 1091 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
All the Welsh teams ars south of the M 4 corridor. North Wales is practically ignored. There was some spin on The Sgarlets taking that role but that never was convincing.
Swansea Cardiff and Wrexham would be my offering. Bums on seats required and North Wales with investment could be a source of a decent player pool. Hand over Parc y Sgarlets to Llanelli FC and redevelop Stebonheath park for housing to generate cash. [Post edited 17 Mar 20:16]
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 21:13 - Mar 17 with 1031 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:31 - Mar 17 by trampie |
Things are so dire it might be best if all of them go and they get replaced with East Wales and West Wales, things might have gone too far now to have 4 bona fide regions like the Irish have, Swansea, Cardiff, Llanelli people ruined rugby they wanted to keep their name, their colours etc |
Swansea people? Here we go. Only Cardiff and Llanelli were allowed to stand alone as regions. Swansea, Neath and Bridgend were merged. Maybe you'd like to acknowledge your error?
The Whites played in, well white and Neath (the Welsh all blacks) played in black so a mixture of balck and white in their kit seems reasonable, not at all selfish.
The WRU ruined rugby and they continue to oversee it's cataclysmic fall as it drops deeper into the mire. | | | |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 21:56 - Mar 17 with 978 views | trampie |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 21:13 - Mar 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Swansea people? Here we go. Only Cardiff and Llanelli were allowed to stand alone as regions. Swansea, Neath and Bridgend were merged. Maybe you'd like to acknowledge your error?
The Whites played in, well white and Neath (the Welsh all blacks) played in black so a mixture of balck and white in their kit seems reasonable, not at all selfish.
The WRU ruined rugby and they continue to oversee it's cataclysmic fall as it drops deeper into the mire. |
Swansea, Neath and Bridgend weren't all merged together, Bridgend was paired with Pontypridd.
Swansea people wanted to keep the Swansea name, Neath people wanted to keep the Neath name so they initially went as Neath-Swansea Ospreys, that was a mistake because it disenfranchised other club supporters in the region, some Aberavon supporters for example, as well as some supporters of Swansea Valley teams and Vale of Neath teams. | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 22:50 - Mar 17 with 924 views | onehunglow |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 17:48 - Mar 17 by majorraglan |
But Parc Y Scarlets was a a much better ground than the project the Ospreys have in the pipeline and it will have a bigger capacity…..
I think we have to lose a region and in terms of chimneys etc it makes sense to lose the Scarlets, but if we’re being honest the Scarlets have produced a lot more internationals in the last 15 years (as have the Ospreys) than the Dragons or Cardiff. I’d axe the Dragons, but there’s a huge risk that this will disenfranchise a lot of fans. |
Swansea again thinking small
It's the second city and Llanelli is a village in comparison
Of course the big towns hold away
That's life
Llanelli folk always been insular and have hated Jacks as a matter of course
Would a Turk describe himself as a Jack if he follows the Seans?
Nah | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 22:52 - Mar 17 with 928 views | majorraglan |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 15:21 - Mar 17 by trampie |
The Ospreys weren't a true region, they were initially called Neath-Swansea playing in black and white, then due to the outcry that followed they tried to brand themselves as all inclusive, the village I'm from have played Neath and Swansea over the years they are rival teams I would not follow an outfit named Neath or Swansea.
If it was Glamorgan or West Glamorgan for example great, but not Neath-Swansea playing in black and white no way, I knew a Aberavon supporter that attended games all the time and he would have nothing to do with them as they were Neath-Swansea playing in black or white. [Post edited 17 Mar 15:24]
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 23:09 - Mar 17 with 914 views | majorraglan |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 21:56 - Mar 17 by trampie |
Swansea, Neath and Bridgend weren't all merged together, Bridgend was paired with Pontypridd.
Swansea people wanted to keep the Swansea name, Neath people wanted to keep the Neath name so they initially went as Neath-Swansea Ospreys, that was a mistake because it disenfranchised other club supporters in the region, some Aberavon supporters for example, as well as some supporters of Swansea Valley teams and Vale of Neath teams. |
As you say it was the Neath Swansea Ospreys, the kit was black and white and if I remember correctly the reference to the Ospreys was something to do with Swansea RFC back in the day, but I can say that with 100% conviction.
Aberavon and Maesteg were also in the Ospreys area, but were very much on the outside - well that’s the way it appeared to many. When Ospreys players were allocated to Premiership teams for development purposes, for a long time it seemed that only Swansea and Neath benefited, but then things changed when there was some difficulties between Neath and the Ospreys and Aberavon came more in to the fold and began to receive players. If you look at the current allocation of Ospreys and Ospreys academy players, Swansea get the lions share, then it’s Bridgend who came in to the region when the WRU shut the Celtic Dragons down and then it’s Aberavon. I’m known to partake of the occasional Aberavon game, as you’ve said a few of their fans wouldn’t cross the road to watch the Ospreys. I think there’s a few in Neath who now feel the same way. | | | |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 06:24 - Mar 18 with 817 views | Whiterockin |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 21:56 - Mar 17 by trampie |
Swansea, Neath and Bridgend weren't all merged together, Bridgend was paired with Pontypridd.
Swansea people wanted to keep the Swansea name, Neath people wanted to keep the Neath name so they initially went as Neath-Swansea Ospreys, that was a mistake because it disenfranchised other club supporters in the region, some Aberavon supporters for example, as well as some supporters of Swansea Valley teams and Vale of Neath teams. |
Bridgend come under the Ospreys region they sometimes play matches there and their players come through the Ospreys pathway. It is the same with Pontypridd and Cardiff they are not paired together. | | | |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 06:40 - Mar 18 with 798 views | trampie |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 06:24 - Mar 18 by Whiterockin |
Bridgend come under the Ospreys region they sometimes play matches there and their players come through the Ospreys pathway. It is the same with Pontypridd and Cardiff they are not paired together. |
Bridgend come under the Ospreys region now but didn't originally and it was the creation of the regions that was being talked about, originally Brigend was paired with Pontypridd to form the Celtic Warriors. | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 06:40 - Mar 18 with 791 views | trampie |
| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 23:09 - Mar 17 by majorraglan |
As you say it was the Neath Swansea Ospreys, the kit was black and white and if I remember correctly the reference to the Ospreys was something to do with Swansea RFC back in the day, but I can say that with 100% conviction.
Aberavon and Maesteg were also in the Ospreys area, but were very much on the outside - well that’s the way it appeared to many. When Ospreys players were allocated to Premiership teams for development purposes, for a long time it seemed that only Swansea and Neath benefited, but then things changed when there was some difficulties between Neath and the Ospreys and Aberavon came more in to the fold and began to receive players. If you look at the current allocation of Ospreys and Ospreys academy players, Swansea get the lions share, then it’s Bridgend who came in to the region when the WRU shut the Celtic Dragons down and then it’s Aberavon. I’m known to partake of the occasional Aberavon game, as you’ve said a few of their fans wouldn’t cross the road to watch the Ospreys. I think there’s a few in Neath who now feel the same way. |
Yes that is what happened. | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:41 - Mar 18 with 595 views | union_jack |
In principle I’m all for it. But not this year! If something like this is implemented there needs to be at least one year’s lead in.
I’m sure there are a whole host of practicalities that would prevent it happening. | |
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| The Rugby Regions in Wales on 13:53 - Mar 18 with 580 views | onehunglow |
Why kick Wales when it's down
Same narrative could have been applied to Italy or any team in the past getting stuffed
It's in bloody Asia and has nowt to do with 6 Nations
Six nations without Wales is meaningless
And a weekend in Tsiblisi ?
Nah
We need to sort ourselves out and then get into the faces of those who are currently taking the pissss out of us | |
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