| Manager 16:57 - Nov 8 with 12445 views | sixnil |
Smith and Saito not used in a match that was made for them. I have struggled to understand team selection in the last few matches. Help |  | | |  |
| Manager on 13:00 - Nov 10 with 1421 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 12:42 - Nov 10 by KensalT |
You're right to say it's disheartening.
But we need to put into context who we have played in the last six games:
- Three parachute money teams
- Millwall. who most pundits were predicting to push for the playoffs this season
- Derby, who spent big in the summer and have won their last five games
- Swansea, where we weren't great but got over the line
The three parachute money teams might have struggled to get going this season but they have better players and deeper squads than us.
I'm not glossing over the fact that recent performances have been disappointing but they have mostly been against sides who would expect to get good results against us.
Maybe the biggest disappointment of all is that we aren't showing any real progress from last season where we struggled against the sides who finished above us and took most of our points from teams who finished beneath us.
I guess you could say we have found our level, but we do seem to be stuck here! [Post edited 10 Nov 16:45]
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Yeah, fair. That’s kind of the point. This was meant to be the year of progression. Hoos and Nourry felt Cifuentes was holding them back. They have had the Eze money come in. We invested and improved the squad. The league seems to have few runaway, strong teams. And I know the internal target is top half, so inside the club they recognise this is the year to progress. And yet we find ourselves 16th, still with good runs and bad runs. Groundhog Day.
On those matches, Ipswich and Southampton, agree. Fair.
But Derby? We’ve spent money too…we beat them 4-0 in the second half of last season. I went and we never turned up. They played with 3 times the intensity.
Millwall? Similar budget to us. We were at home. They are functional but not to be feared. Our standards should be to win that game.
Sheff Utd? Clive says it all in the preview. They are a mess, had been beaten by lots of teams at home, are bottom 3, and weren’t very good.
We’ve never going to progress up from 16th -18th if our standards are one of a team who is 16th-18th. We then give ourselves excuses to remain where we are. With the squad we had for Ainsworth’s season (and Ainsworth, himself!), fair enough, we couldn’t expect better than that. Cifuentes achieved better somehow. Last season, with all the new European lads bedding in, again, okay, 16-18th is fair. But this season with further investment, some actual strikers, surely we should be pushing on?
Hopefully we can and do after the international break. |  | | |
| Manager on 13:21 - Nov 10 with 1333 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Okay, I get that a point away from home isn't the worst result in the world but we lost the previous two home matches, one against a side that had barely won for more than a year.
What positives do people see in Stephan? I've got to admit that, possibly because of the sense that his hands are tied by Nourry, I haven't seen much from him to date. It's difficult to get what he brings to the party when we don't see them train and only see things like the Plymouth line-up or Joe Walsh in goal. Would Warnock have settled for the draw at Sheffield United? I don't think so and not just because he had something to prove against his own team. Would Terry Venables? Settling for a point feels very anachronistic, before three points for a win. | | | |
| Manager on 13:22 - Nov 10 with 1336 views | KensalT |
| Manager on 13:00 - Nov 10 by Hunterhoop |
Yeah, fair. That’s kind of the point. This was meant to be the year of progression. Hoos and Nourry felt Cifuentes was holding them back. They have had the Eze money come in. We invested and improved the squad. The league seems to have few runaway, strong teams. And I know the internal target is top half, so inside the club they recognise this is the year to progress. And yet we find ourselves 16th, still with good runs and bad runs. Groundhog Day.
On those matches, Ipswich and Southampton, agree. Fair.
But Derby? We’ve spent money too…we beat them 4-0 in the second half of last season. I went and we never turned up. They played with 3 times the intensity.
Millwall? Similar budget to us. We were at home. They are functional but not to be feared. Our standards should be to win that game.
Sheff Utd? Clive says it all in the preview. They are a mess, had been beaten by lots of teams at home, are bottom 3, and weren’t very good.
We’ve never going to progress up from 16th -18th if our standards are one of a team who is 16th-18th. We then give ourselves excuses to remain where we are. With the squad we had for Ainsworth’s season (and Ainsworth, himself!), fair enough, we couldn’t expect better than that. Cifuentes achieved better somehow. Last season, with all the new European lads bedding in, again, okay, 16-18th is fair. But this season with further investment, some actual strikers, surely we should be pushing on?
Hopefully we can and do after the international break. |
You make a lot of fair points.
I was never expecting Nourry to solve our problems quickly.
I thought he would need 2-3 years to turn our squad around. And for that reason I'm prepared to give him a bit of slack.
But there are still big problems with the recruitment. GK and LB (again) are big problems for us, and we have far too many little 'uns for my liking.
There have been some improvements but I still think we're a work in progress and have a long way to go.
For that reason maybe my expectations for this season weren't as high as yours might have been, and maybe that's why I'm not completely despondent about the recent results and performances.
But I would like to see some improvement in our league position or points total this season and at the moment I'm not optimistic. | | | |
| Manager on 13:35 - Nov 10 with 1282 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 13:22 - Nov 10 by KensalT |
You make a lot of fair points.
I was never expecting Nourry to solve our problems quickly.
I thought he would need 2-3 years to turn our squad around. And for that reason I'm prepared to give him a bit of slack.
But there are still big problems with the recruitment. GK and LB (again) are big problems for us, and we have far too many little 'uns for my liking.
There have been some improvements but I still think we're a work in progress and have a long way to go.
For that reason maybe my expectations for this season weren't as high as yours might have been, and maybe that's why I'm not completely despondent about the recent results and performances.
But I would like to see some improvement in our league position or points total this season and at the moment I'm not optimistic. |
I’m not completely despondent either, just to clarify. As TK1 said, lots of games to go.
I’m just disappointed, especially after going on a good run to the edge of the play offs, to find ourselves back down in 16th. And I feel that our standards as fans, and the club’s standards should be that we improve on last year, for all the reasons I’ve said. Last year we finished 15th.
Under Hoos and Les, for the first 5 years back down, we had to make such a drastic cut to the playing budget, and had the FFP fine for the owners to swallow, not going through the league to league one was fine. Since then, under Hoos and Les, and now Hoos and Nourry, we really should be trying to progress…otherwise what is the point?
There were signs with Warburton’s last season and the start under Beale. Then we imploded. Les walked because he didn’t agree with the decision to appoint Ainsworth (Amit’s pushing). Then we hire Cifuentes to save the day after Ainsworth. We appoint Nourry in Jan 2024. We finish 18th that season on 56 points with a weak squad on a very low budget due to FFP headroom. We finish 15th last season on 56 points with a weak squad adapting to Championship life…now surely, with the Eze money, investment over the summer, headroom on FFP, now is a season we should all expect some progress? If we don’t, what are our standards?
I think, amongst many other reasons, this is why the likes of Clive, myself, and others are a bit disheartened. We can swallow a leadership we don’t like/agree with for progress. We all can. But it’ll be 2 years in Jan, with a further year before that advising behind the scenes. When do we expect the progress? | | | |
| Manager on 13:42 - Nov 10 with 1233 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager on 13:35 - Nov 10 by Hunterhoop |
I’m not completely despondent either, just to clarify. As TK1 said, lots of games to go.
I’m just disappointed, especially after going on a good run to the edge of the play offs, to find ourselves back down in 16th. And I feel that our standards as fans, and the club’s standards should be that we improve on last year, for all the reasons I’ve said. Last year we finished 15th.
Under Hoos and Les, for the first 5 years back down, we had to make such a drastic cut to the playing budget, and had the FFP fine for the owners to swallow, not going through the league to league one was fine. Since then, under Hoos and Les, and now Hoos and Nourry, we really should be trying to progress…otherwise what is the point?
There were signs with Warburton’s last season and the start under Beale. Then we imploded. Les walked because he didn’t agree with the decision to appoint Ainsworth (Amit’s pushing). Then we hire Cifuentes to save the day after Ainsworth. We appoint Nourry in Jan 2024. We finish 18th that season on 56 points with a weak squad on a very low budget due to FFP headroom. We finish 15th last season on 56 points with a weak squad adapting to Championship life…now surely, with the Eze money, investment over the summer, headroom on FFP, now is a season we should all expect some progress? If we don’t, what are our standards?
I think, amongst many other reasons, this is why the likes of Clive, myself, and others are a bit disheartened. We can swallow a leadership we don’t like/agree with for progress. We all can. But it’ll be 2 years in Jan, with a further year before that advising behind the scenes. When do we expect the progress? |
I come at this from a slightly different angle.
Results have never bothered me, I just want a club that treats it's employees and players right and is a positive example to the industry in terms of fans treatment and player production.
Although I genuinely believe that getting the latter right will deliver the former too. [Post edited 10 Nov 13:53]
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| Manager on 13:49 - Nov 10 with 1208 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 13:42 - Nov 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I come at this from a slightly different angle.
Results have never bothered me, I just want a club that treats it's employees and players right and is a positive example to the industry in terms of fans treatment and player production.
Although I genuinely believe that getting the latter right will deliver the former too. [Post edited 10 Nov 13:53]
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Well, so do i. And that is part of my dislike of the current leadership. They aren’t “leaders” in the true sense of the word
But football is full of unlikeable people. If you died in a ditch on that in the face of success and progress on the pitch, why be a football fan? It’s for the moments of exhilaration and joy watching your team score, win, achieve things. It’s not to be smug about how your clubs’ employees are better behaved and more principled, though that is nice. Besides, Warnock did some dodgy stuff. As I’m sure did El Tel. Francis was no saint. Paladini? Briatore? We still celebrated promotion and their success.
I’d rather we had the right sorts from top to bottom. It worries me when we don’t, as it did with Paladini. But one can hold their nose a little when things are improving. I’d much prefer we didn’t have to! | | | |
| Manager on 13:53 - Nov 10 with 1180 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager on 13:49 - Nov 10 by Hunterhoop |
Well, so do i. And that is part of my dislike of the current leadership. They aren’t “leaders” in the true sense of the word
But football is full of unlikeable people. If you died in a ditch on that in the face of success and progress on the pitch, why be a football fan? It’s for the moments of exhilaration and joy watching your team score, win, achieve things. It’s not to be smug about how your clubs’ employees are better behaved and more principled, though that is nice. Besides, Warnock did some dodgy stuff. As I’m sure did El Tel. Francis was no saint. Paladini? Briatore? We still celebrated promotion and their success.
I’d rather we had the right sorts from top to bottom. It worries me when we don’t, as it did with Paladini. But one can hold their nose a little when things are improving. I’d much prefer we didn’t have to! |
I've expanded my point but you are right. | | | |
| Manager on 13:56 - Nov 10 with 1170 views | KensalT |
| Manager on 13:35 - Nov 10 by Hunterhoop |
I’m not completely despondent either, just to clarify. As TK1 said, lots of games to go.
I’m just disappointed, especially after going on a good run to the edge of the play offs, to find ourselves back down in 16th. And I feel that our standards as fans, and the club’s standards should be that we improve on last year, for all the reasons I’ve said. Last year we finished 15th.
Under Hoos and Les, for the first 5 years back down, we had to make such a drastic cut to the playing budget, and had the FFP fine for the owners to swallow, not going through the league to league one was fine. Since then, under Hoos and Les, and now Hoos and Nourry, we really should be trying to progress…otherwise what is the point?
There were signs with Warburton’s last season and the start under Beale. Then we imploded. Les walked because he didn’t agree with the decision to appoint Ainsworth (Amit’s pushing). Then we hire Cifuentes to save the day after Ainsworth. We appoint Nourry in Jan 2024. We finish 18th that season on 56 points with a weak squad on a very low budget due to FFP headroom. We finish 15th last season on 56 points with a weak squad adapting to Championship life…now surely, with the Eze money, investment over the summer, headroom on FFP, now is a season we should all expect some progress? If we don’t, what are our standards?
I think, amongst many other reasons, this is why the likes of Clive, myself, and others are a bit disheartened. We can swallow a leadership we don’t like/agree with for progress. We all can. But it’ll be 2 years in Jan, with a further year before that advising behind the scenes. When do we expect the progress? |
My answer to that would be that we keep trying to run before we can walk.
Warburton's final season is a good example of that.
In Warburton's first two seasons all the talk was of steady progress and looking to buy players cheap and train them up to sell on for a profit. Not dissimilar to the way Brentford and Brighton progressed to the PL.
But in Warburton's final year we tore that up and went all in by not just signing Austin, Johansen, Field and De Wijs but also not cashing in on the likes of Willock, Dickie, Dieng etc.
It was a big gamble. If it had worked we would all have been delighted. But it didn't and it set us back a long way.
With Nourry we have basically gone back to square one and started over. It's going to take time. And that's assuming he gets it right!
I already alluded to Brentford and Brighton as being a type of blueprint for us. Their success didn't come overnight. It was a long steady slog and there were quite a few near misses and a lot of good players sold along the way to enable reinvestment in their teams.
There's no magic wand (unless your name's Neal Warnock and you've got a Taarabt in your squad) | | | |
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| Manager on 14:07 - Nov 10 with 1116 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 13:56 - Nov 10 by KensalT |
My answer to that would be that we keep trying to run before we can walk.
Warburton's final season is a good example of that.
In Warburton's first two seasons all the talk was of steady progress and looking to buy players cheap and train them up to sell on for a profit. Not dissimilar to the way Brentford and Brighton progressed to the PL.
But in Warburton's final year we tore that up and went all in by not just signing Austin, Johansen, Field and De Wijs but also not cashing in on the likes of Willock, Dickie, Dieng etc.
It was a big gamble. If it had worked we would all have been delighted. But it didn't and it set us back a long way.
With Nourry we have basically gone back to square one and started over. It's going to take time. And that's assuming he gets it right!
I already alluded to Brentford and Brighton as being a type of blueprint for us. Their success didn't come overnight. It was a long steady slog and there were quite a few near misses and a lot of good players sold along the way to enable reinvestment in their teams.
There's no magic wand (unless your name's Neal Warnock and you've got a Taarabt in your squad) |
All true.
One last point, those sides like Brentford, Brighton (and Bournemouth, and currently Coventry) did all show progress pretty much every year. It does take time. I agree we should not run before we can walk. But all those examples progressed steadily over time. My point is that if we don’t progress again this year, if our expectation isn’t to progress this year either, is what we’re doing actually working? Are the right people steering the ship? How many years, on hefty salaries, do they get standing still with more favourable financial situations than their predecessors? | | | |
| Manager on 14:24 - Nov 10 with 1049 views | KensalT |
| Manager on 14:07 - Nov 10 by Hunterhoop |
All true.
One last point, those sides like Brentford, Brighton (and Bournemouth, and currently Coventry) did all show progress pretty much every year. It does take time. I agree we should not run before we can walk. But all those examples progressed steadily over time. My point is that if we don’t progress again this year, if our expectation isn’t to progress this year either, is what we’re doing actually working? Are the right people steering the ship? How many years, on hefty salaries, do they get standing still with more favourable financial situations than their predecessors? |
Yes. I agree with all of that.
But one last thing.
You mentioned in one of your earlier posts that we have a similar budget to Millwall and should be able to compete with them.
I would say that Millwall are probably a couple of years ahead of us in terms of development and that's why they get tipped for the playoffs and we don't.
But in Millwall's case they have had two big money sales this year in Esse to Palace for £12m and Tanganga to Sheffield United for £7m. In both cases there will be add ons and sell on clauses that could push that higher.
Despite those sales Wawll are still expected to push for the playoffs.
So two questions:
1. When did we last (if ever) sell two players in the same year for north of £8m each?
2. If Esse and Tanganga had been ours and we sold them in quick succession what would the mood of the fans been around Loftus Road?
I don't think our fans would have liked it.
I get your point about leadership. I certainly wouldn't mind Alex Neil and Steve Gallen working for us instead of Wawll.
But the development model also needs patience and trust from the fans. I'm not sure we have either the patience or the trust in the leadership.
Going back to Brentford and Brighton. They had both spent a long time in the lower divisions before they started their climb up the leagues. Maybe they had lower expectations than us or maybe they had more faith in the process as it was showing steady improvement (as you rightly said).
I'm not having a go at our own fans here. My point is that the development model is an act of faith as much as anything.
At the moment I don't think our leadership has earned our faith.
A decent cup run might help to turn that around (hint hint) but I'm not holding my breath. | | | |
| Manager on 14:25 - Nov 10 with 1044 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Manager on 14:07 - Nov 10 by Hunterhoop |
All true.
One last point, those sides like Brentford, Brighton (and Bournemouth, and currently Coventry) did all show progress pretty much every year. It does take time. I agree we should not run before we can walk. But all those examples progressed steadily over time. My point is that if we don’t progress again this year, if our expectation isn’t to progress this year either, is what we’re doing actually working? Are the right people steering the ship? How many years, on hefty salaries, do they get standing still with more favourable financial situations than their predecessors? |
Yes, whatever you think of the job Les did, he was in situ for nearly a decade with very little one could count as long-term progress. That's pretty extraordinary.
Nourry has obviously been in charge for less time and there are some good signs - some decent signings and a desire to get young players in the squad, rather than keeping 24-year-olds hanging around in the hope they'll push on at some point. However, at the moment, we don't have an established goalkeeper, left back or right back. That's billy basics surely? | | | |
| Manager on 14:30 - Nov 10 with 1025 views | Hunterhoop |
| Manager on 14:25 - Nov 10 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Yes, whatever you think of the job Les did, he was in situ for nearly a decade with very little one could count as long-term progress. That's pretty extraordinary.
Nourry has obviously been in charge for less time and there are some good signs - some decent signings and a desire to get young players in the squad, rather than keeping 24-year-olds hanging around in the hope they'll push on at some point. However, at the moment, we don't have an established goalkeeper, left back or right back. That's billy basics surely? |
There was huge progress from Les regards the budget. Don’t underestimate that. The club escaped from a financial noose around its neck without going through to league one. We then gambled (owner led, not Les), did progress and compete. Top at the end of Jan under Warburton before imploding (on Warburton that). Then they decided to twist, and it went badly wrong. That was on Les. But he left in summer 2023.
The financial conditions these last two years are much more favourable to progressing more sustainably. [Post edited 10 Nov 14:50]
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| Manager on 14:31 - Nov 10 with 1018 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager on 14:25 - Nov 10 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Yes, whatever you think of the job Les did, he was in situ for nearly a decade with very little one could count as long-term progress. That's pretty extraordinary.
Nourry has obviously been in charge for less time and there are some good signs - some decent signings and a desire to get young players in the squad, rather than keeping 24-year-olds hanging around in the hope they'll push on at some point. However, at the moment, we don't have an established goalkeeper, left back or right back. That's billy basics surely? |
You could argue Les handling of Eze saved this club twice. | | | |
| Manager on 14:33 - Nov 10 with 1010 views | TheChef |
| Manager on 14:24 - Nov 10 by KensalT |
Yes. I agree with all of that.
But one last thing.
You mentioned in one of your earlier posts that we have a similar budget to Millwall and should be able to compete with them.
I would say that Millwall are probably a couple of years ahead of us in terms of development and that's why they get tipped for the playoffs and we don't.
But in Millwall's case they have had two big money sales this year in Esse to Palace for £12m and Tanganga to Sheffield United for £7m. In both cases there will be add ons and sell on clauses that could push that higher.
Despite those sales Wawll are still expected to push for the playoffs.
So two questions:
1. When did we last (if ever) sell two players in the same year for north of £8m each?
2. If Esse and Tanganga had been ours and we sold them in quick succession what would the mood of the fans been around Loftus Road?
I don't think our fans would have liked it.
I get your point about leadership. I certainly wouldn't mind Alex Neil and Steve Gallen working for us instead of Wawll.
But the development model also needs patience and trust from the fans. I'm not sure we have either the patience or the trust in the leadership.
Going back to Brentford and Brighton. They had both spent a long time in the lower divisions before they started their climb up the leagues. Maybe they had lower expectations than us or maybe they had more faith in the process as it was showing steady improvement (as you rightly said).
I'm not having a go at our own fans here. My point is that the development model is an act of faith as much as anything.
At the moment I don't think our leadership has earned our faith.
A decent cup run might help to turn that around (hint hint) but I'm not holding my breath. |
A decent cup run???
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| Manager on 14:35 - Nov 10 with 1000 views | KensalT |
| Manager on 14:33 - Nov 10 by TheChef |
A decent cup run???
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It would be a nice change if we at least tried.
If the club really wants a development model then trying to get our bright young things into a televised game with a PL club is as good a way as any of raising their profile and attracting buyers. | | | |
| Manager on 14:39 - Nov 10 with 987 views | TheChef |
| Manager on 14:35 - Nov 10 by KensalT |
It would be a nice change if we at least tried.
If the club really wants a development model then trying to get our bright young things into a televised game with a PL club is as good a way as any of raising their profile and attracting buyers. |
Absolutely.
Hopefully Stephan has learnt from the League Cup defeat when we get to the FA Cup, but maybe it depends more on what he is told to do re team selection for that one...  | |
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| Manager on 14:48 - Nov 10 with 940 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Manager on 14:30 - Nov 10 by Hunterhoop |
There was huge progress from Les regards the budget. Don’t underestimate that. The club escaped from a financial noose around its neck without going through to league one. We then gambled (owner led, not Les), did progress and compete. Top at the end of Jan under Warburton before imploding (on Warburton that). Then they decided to twist, and it went badly wrong. That was on Les. But he left in summer 2023.
The financial conditions these last two years are much more favourable to progressing more sustainably. [Post edited 10 Nov 14:50]
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We never made the play-offs despite having parachute payments for several years. For me, even based on the laws of probability, you'd think we would have done that at least once.
I think five years is more than enough time to judge a CEO/DoF. One could argue it's actually quite generous and you should be seeing progress within two to three years. | | | |
| Manager on 14:52 - Nov 10 with 915 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Manager on 14:48 - Nov 10 by Wegerles_Stairs |
We never made the play-offs despite having parachute payments for several years. For me, even based on the laws of probability, you'd think we would have done that at least once.
I think five years is more than enough time to judge a CEO/DoF. One could argue it's actually quite generous and you should be seeing progress within two to three years. |
I don't think the Parachute payments touched the sides of the losses, liabilities, and the FFP fine. | | | |
| Manager on 14:52 - Nov 10 with 911 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
And actually having just calculated the probability of having nine seasons without finishing in the top six, it's 0.075. Obviously, that's a very rough calculation based on having a one in four chance of making the top six every season but still... | | | |
| Manager on 16:05 - Nov 10 with 775 views | kensalriser |
| Manager on 14:52 - Nov 10 by Wegerles_Stairs |
And actually having just calculated the probability of having nine seasons without finishing in the top six, it's 0.075. Obviously, that's a very rough calculation based on having a one in four chance of making the top six every season but still... |
I don't think probability works like that, especially when you're dealing with something outside pure maths that has so many variables. |  |
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| Manager on 16:11 - Nov 10 with 743 views | TK1 |
I have no idea what this "open play Martin O'Neil Justice League" table of the last six games really means, because I am thick.
But I am taking it nonetheless as proof of my sense that we're not playing as badly as results suggest. (And that nobody should feel quite so gloomy about being 16th!)
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| Manager on 16:19 - Nov 10 with 692 views | TheChef |
| Manager on 16:11 - Nov 10 by TK1 |
I have no idea what this "open play Martin O'Neil Justice League" table of the last six games really means, because I am thick.
But I am taking it nonetheless as proof of my sense that we're not playing as badly as results suggest. (And that nobody should feel quite so gloomy about being 16th!)
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Is it that we move the ball well forwards - but we're crap at creating/finishing chances in the final third? | |
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| Manager on 16:24 - Nov 10 with 660 views | TK1 |
| Manager on 16:19 - Nov 10 by TheChef |
Is it that we move the ball well forwards - but we're crap at creating/finishing chances in the final third? |
No, that we''re also creating the most chances in open play - I think. Which has got be hopeful, no? Certainly more so than Swansea who seemingly barely create any. | | | |
| Manager on 16:25 - Nov 10 with 654 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Manager on 16:05 - Nov 10 by kensalriser |
I don't think probability works like that, especially when you're dealing with something outside pure maths that has so many variables. |
Well yes, I'm obviously not going to get a job working with Tony Bloom anytime soon but it's a very rough indication of the lack of achievement (as well as no decent cup runs) during Les's reign. | | | |
| Manager on 16:30 - Nov 10 with 623 views | KensalT |
| Manager on 16:11 - Nov 10 by TK1 |
I have no idea what this "open play Martin O'Neil Justice League" table of the last six games really means, because I am thick.
But I am taking it nonetheless as proof of my sense that we're not playing as badly as results suggest. (And that nobody should feel quite so gloomy about being 16th!)
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Probably explains why those cunning bar stewards in the Championship look for set pieces against us! | | | |
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