| Another Positive News Story.... on 13:36 - Nov 13 with 1436 views | Boundy |
Well well who'd have thought ,there must be something negative news their trying to bury.  |  |
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 14:02 - Nov 13 with 1414 views | onehunglow |
Not needed never have been
Have met a few in my time
All political animals
We need police forces not services
They need to smash criminals and their families and their assets and make their lives unbearable , like their victims | |
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 14:44 - Nov 13 with 1379 views | Demitrius |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 14:02 - Nov 13 by onehunglow |
Not needed never have been
Have met a few in my time
All political animals
We need police forces not services
They need to smash criminals and their families and their assets and make their lives unbearable , like their victims |
Totally.
A ridculous eye watering salary that came out of our Council Tax and completely ineffective as much use as a hand brake in a canoe.
Politicised as you rightly say and policing has gone backwards locally in our area as I'm sure it has elsewhere |  |
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 14:50 - Nov 13 with 1370 views | Demitrius |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 14:02 - Nov 13 by onehunglow |
Not needed never have been
Have met a few in my time
All political animals
We need police forces not services
They need to smash criminals and their families and their assets and make their lives unbearable , like their victims |
Totally.
A ridculous eye watering salary that came out of our Council Tax and completely ineffective as much use as a hand brake in a canoe.
Politicised as you rightly say and policing has gone backwards locally in our area as I'm sure it has elsewhere | |
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 22:21 - Nov 13 with 1221 views | majorraglan |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 14:44 - Nov 13 by Demitrius |
Totally.
A ridculous eye watering salary that came out of our Council Tax and completely ineffective as much use as a hand brake in a canoe.
Politicised as you rightly say and policing has gone backwards locally in our area as I'm sure it has elsewhere |
I completely disagree with the concept of a political Police and Crime Commissioner, politics should be 100% kept out of policing which should be completely independent of any political allegiance or influence.
That said, the new arrangements, whatever they look like must be robust and hold the police to account for their actions and performance. If that’s a Police Authority type arrangement so be it, but it has to strong and robust.
In terms of the salary, given the nature of the role. I wouldn’t call the salary eye watering, the South Wales Commissioner is on £88k while the Dyfed Powys Commissioner is on £68k, that’s not a huge amount given the sizes of the organisations they’re overseeing. Primary school heads can earn more than that. | | | |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 23:00 - Nov 13 with 1204 views | EagleEye |
But will remain in position to end of contract in 2028 !! |  | | |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 23:12 - Nov 13 with 1189 views | majorraglan |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 23:00 - Nov 13 by EagleEye |
But will remain in position to end of contract in 2028 !! |
That makes sense because it gives the government time to make alternative plans for the governance of the police forces. They’re going to need to prepare legislation, consult, bring it to parliament and the House of Lords for voting on etc etc.
It’ll also prevent us shelling out on redundancy etc.
Whilst the Home Office is a joke, I do not for 1 minute support the devolution of policing to the WG, t needs to stay part of the existing structure. [Post edited 13 Nov 23:28]
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 00:59 - Nov 14 with 1133 views | Demitrius |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 22:21 - Nov 13 by majorraglan |
I completely disagree with the concept of a political Police and Crime Commissioner, politics should be 100% kept out of policing which should be completely independent of any political allegiance or influence.
That said, the new arrangements, whatever they look like must be robust and hold the police to account for their actions and performance. If that’s a Police Authority type arrangement so be it, but it has to strong and robust.
In terms of the salary, given the nature of the role. I wouldn’t call the salary eye watering, the South Wales Commissioner is on £88k while the Dyfed Powys Commissioner is on £68k, that’s not a huge amount given the sizes of the organisations they’re overseeing. Primary school heads can earn more than that. |
Yes, you are correct - it's around that figure in my area - the figure that appears on the breakdown of our council tax contributions is not only the salary of the PCC but the total associated costs of that position. [Post edited 14 Nov 6:12]
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 05:54 - Nov 14 with 1096 views | YrAlarch |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 22:21 - Nov 13 by majorraglan |
I completely disagree with the concept of a political Police and Crime Commissioner, politics should be 100% kept out of policing which should be completely independent of any political allegiance or influence.
That said, the new arrangements, whatever they look like must be robust and hold the police to account for their actions and performance. If that’s a Police Authority type arrangement so be it, but it has to strong and robust.
In terms of the salary, given the nature of the role. I wouldn’t call the salary eye watering, the South Wales Commissioner is on £88k while the Dyfed Powys Commissioner is on £68k, that’s not a huge amount given the sizes of the organisations they’re overseeing. Primary school heads can earn more than that. |
It's not just that salary, it's that of their deputies and administrative staff.
A complete and unnecessary drain on resources that should go to front line policing.
A move welcomed by the Police Federation.
Common sense at last. | | | |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 10:25 - Nov 14 with 1000 views | majorraglan |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 05:54 - Nov 14 by YrAlarch |
It's not just that salary, it's that of their deputies and administrative staff.
A complete and unnecessary drain on resources that should go to front line policing.
A move welcomed by the Police Federation.
Common sense at last. |
There will be some savings, but they aren't likely to he enormous because some of the functions PCC’s undertake will still need to be carried out by the body or individual tasked to replace the PCC.
What’s important is that there are robust mechanisms in place to oversee the police service which are not controlled or influenced by politicians. Policing needs to be independent, but it has to be accountable which is what the PCC’s are supposed to do. [Post edited 15 Nov 6:40]
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 15:21 - Nov 14 with 875 views | Luther27 |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 13:36 - Nov 13 by Boundy |
Well well who'd have thought ,there must be something negative news their trying to bury. |
Skeletons in the closet? 😂 | | | |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 02:00 - Nov 15 with 791 views | Robbie |
Any chance somebody could give me a heads up on my Local Police Independent person is or even their current title , am under SWP / Heddlu Force control .
Get rid of another quango which does sod all but get paid big bucks .
Yep , in total agreement . | | | |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 10:36 - Nov 15 with 702 views | onehunglow |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 10:25 - Nov 14 by majorraglan |
There will be some savings, but they aren't likely to he enormous because some of the functions PCC’s undertake will still need to be carried out by the body or individual tasked to replace the PCC.
What’s important is that there are robust mechanisms in place to oversee the police service which are not controlled or influenced by politicians. Policing needs to be independent, but it has to be accountable which is what the PCC’s are supposed to do. [Post edited 15 Nov 6:40]
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And Police forces should be more concerned about fighting criminals than being bothered about political claptrap and dogma
We are out of control
We need to fight back
We need Chief Constables who are bold, fearless and be concerned only about decent folk
Police are not social services | |
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 15:49 - Nov 15 with 646 views | majorraglan |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 10:36 - Nov 15 by onehunglow |
And Police forces should be more concerned about fighting criminals than being bothered about political claptrap and dogma
We are out of control
We need to fight back
We need Chief Constables who are bold, fearless and be concerned only about decent folk
Police are not social services |
I agree with you, unfortunately the tone of policing is set by the College of Policing and HMIC who are in effect an arms length Home Office. Where we are now is a direct reflection of the last 20 years of government policy.
The type of Chief Constable you are looking for are few and far between, the accelerated promotion scheme and PNAC (or whatever it’s called) are geared to produce what the politicians and mandarins of the day decree.
I once heard someone refer to the police as the road sweepers of society having to clear up the mess that everyone else had made, i thought that was quite apt. | | | |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 16:19 - Nov 15 with 631 views | onehunglow |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 15:49 - Nov 15 by majorraglan |
I agree with you, unfortunately the tone of policing is set by the College of Policing and HMIC who are in effect an arms length Home Office. Where we are now is a direct reflection of the last 20 years of government policy.
The type of Chief Constable you are looking for are few and far between, the accelerated promotion scheme and PNAC (or whatever it’s called) are geared to produce what the politicians and mandarins of the day decree.
I once heard someone refer to the police as the road sweepers of society having to clear up the mess that everyone else had made, i thought that was quite apt. |
Allow me, there are No CCs of the type I allude to
They ended years ago and look at what we have now
Police almost apologising when having to lock up anyone
It’s grotesque
The standard for entry now is pitiful | |
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| Another Positive News Story.... on 10:38 - Nov 16 with 508 views | Gwyn737 |
| Another Positive News Story.... on 10:36 - Nov 15 by onehunglow |
And Police forces should be more concerned about fighting criminals than being bothered about political claptrap and dogma
We are out of control
We need to fight back
We need Chief Constables who are bold, fearless and be concerned only about decent folk
Police are not social services |
Unfortunately police are having to be social services as are most of the public sector.
Regular posters on here know I work in schools and over 50% (conservatively) is spent on social work type activities. | | | |
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