| Dembélé new boo boy? 23:36 - Jan 17 with 5639 views | LazyFan |
Our previous boo boy was Madsen, who has survived by being dropped back to a number 6, and it seems he can play there.
Now I think it is Dembélé who is not playing well and is well below his skill level. Also, I think his best position is a number 10, not RW. He's even better on LW for me than RW.
Too many times, he does not run back; he does sometimes, but plenty of times, he does not. Today he lost the ball 3 times and did not run back, one of those was when we were in our own last 3rd, and the defence was under pressure.
This really isn't acceptable, along with losing the ball a lot and also not really creating much. You could say they were all drek poor today, but the constant under pressure QPR defence was decent, along with Madsen.
True, the rest were poor outside the Keeper, back four and Madsen. But at least Smyth (who was also poor) runs back and helps out. Hayden offered little, but at least made a few good tackles. The front two were dreadful, poor, and that must have been Kone's worst game, yet Kone still got two efforts on target.
But Dembélé was the worst, and we have seen him play like this too many times.
Not good enough for me.
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 00:41 - Jan 18 with 3204 views | stainrods_elbow |
Madsen was a non-entity for me for most of the game, and seems to be regressing. Hayden was also very limited, and Smyth couldn't seem to get on the ball either. OK, we defended half-decently against a very average Stoke, but if Stephan thinks that's enough, he's - shock horror - part of the problem with our away performances, which certainly put the lack into lustre. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 04:42 - Jan 18 with 3217 views | enfieldargh |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 00:41 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
Madsen was a non-entity for me for most of the game, and seems to be regressing. Hayden was also very limited, and Smyth couldn't seem to get on the ball either. OK, we defended half-decently against a very average Stoke, but if Stephan thinks that's enough, he's - shock horror - part of the problem with our away performances, which certainly put the lack into lustre. |
Our midfield was by passed much of the game, Hayden almost part of the back line Madsen also very deep under their continuos pressing and slick tight passing. Add to that Dembele and Smyth giving the ball away and the front two also unable to hold up the ball it left Madsen in a kind of very tight pocket which I thought he did ok. He puts his foot on the ball and does pass to a team mate with only a few attempted thru balls going astray.
As is pointed out Dembele is only 21 he may come good, booing ain’t gonna help |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 06:49 - Jan 18 with 3109 views | dmm |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 04:42 - Jan 18 by enfieldargh |
Our midfield was by passed much of the game, Hayden almost part of the back line Madsen also very deep under their continuos pressing and slick tight passing. Add to that Dembele and Smyth giving the ball away and the front two also unable to hold up the ball it left Madsen in a kind of very tight pocket which I thought he did ok. He puts his foot on the ball and does pass to a team mate with only a few attempted thru balls going astray.
As is pointed out Dembele is only 21 he may come good, booing ain’t gonna help |
Dembele is 22 - and will turn 23 next month. |  | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 07:30 - Jan 18 with 3024 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
I've never booed a QPR player, buy my God I'm close to it with Dembele. He has all the ability, but his work rate off the ball is shockingly poor, you'd hate to be the fullback with him in front. A wasted talent.
Hopefully Nourry can weave some magic and move him on in the summer for a chunky fee. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 10:56 - Jan 18 with 2747 views | aston_hoop |
Wasn't any worse than Paul Smyth yesterday, as usual. But hey |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 11:13 - Jan 18 with 2714 views | francisbowles |
Smyth far more effective on the right. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:05 - Jan 18 with 2617 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 11:13 - Jan 18 by francisbowles |
Smyth far more effective on the right. |
Agree, he's produced the square root of phuck all on the left.
Very useful on the right, I thought he could play left, seems its not for him. | |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:45 - Jan 18 with 2547 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I saw something about him on YouTube recently.
He was supposed to be the next big thing, played for Celtic as a child, pieces of outlandish skill shown and all that stuff, named by L'Equipe as one of the future stars to change the game.
So given he's now at us via Blackpool, and frequently a source of frustration, something has gone awry along the way.
It might all come down to the legs, but everything starts and ends with what's going on in the head! |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:30 - Jan 18 with 2421 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:45 - Jan 18 by PlanetHonneywood |
I saw something about him on YouTube recently.
He was supposed to be the next big thing, played for Celtic as a child, pieces of outlandish skill shown and all that stuff, named by L'Equipe as one of the future stars to change the game.
So given he's now at us via Blackpool, and frequently a source of frustration, something has gone awry along the way.
It might all come down to the legs, but everything starts and ends with what's going on in the head! |
Arguably none of our four wingers have been great this season. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:40 - Jan 18 with 2420 views | rottcodd |
Like a balance sheet, if he can't contribute as an asset consistently in an offensive way, then the fact that he's a total liability defensively is going to count against him.
I'm sure everyone would like to see him succeed (no boos), but it requires more commitment defensively than his standard ghostly press to become a long-term championship player. [Post edited 18 Jan 14:41]
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 16:06 - Jan 18 with 2302 views | Dorse |
Dembele has frustrated me this season. For me, it boils down to this: I can see he is a good player. I can also see what he is trying to do. The problem is that it never quite comes off. Once or twice, you say 'fair enough'. But every single time (apart from the Leicester match)?
Look, the Leicester game was excellent from him. Clive and others have said the same. He is definitely up to the job. It just never quite happens for him. Maybe he's trying to be clever; maybe it's a confidence thing. Whatever it is, he's shown us, in the style of Jim Bowen showing two balding, overweight sex cases the speedboat they could've won, what we're missing. And that is gripping our collective shit. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 16:15 - Jan 18 with 2271 views | priceyparkrangers |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:30 - Jan 18 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Arguably none of our four wingers have been great this season. |
That’s the understatement of the century. It’s like starting with 9 men most weeks | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 16:45 - Jan 18 with 2229 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:45 - Jan 18 by PlanetHonneywood |
I saw something about him on YouTube recently.
He was supposed to be the next big thing, played for Celtic as a child, pieces of outlandish skill shown and all that stuff, named by L'Equipe as one of the future stars to change the game.
So given he's now at us via Blackpool, and frequently a source of frustration, something has gone awry along the way.
It might all come down to the legs, but everything starts and ends with what's going on in the head! |
Watched the same video he has been a big let down at the 3 or 4 clubs so far and apart from a few flashes with us another dissapointment IMO.
Simply put not strong enough for the hand to hand combat in our league, way too selfish dribbling into traffic and losing the damm ball, no gut bursting runs attempting to make up for his poor decisions, is firmly on the refs radar for throwing his hands up looking for frees so getting nothing there either.
Cannot take a corner or free kick and sulks when he is subed off nowhere close to a team player but JS loves him and is ever present in our starting 11 I throw in the towel  |  | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 19:40 - Jan 18 with 2070 views | VancouverHoop |
I'm not sure JS loves him that much. He's being played more than Poku because the latter has been permanently injured, otherwise...? If Smyth hadn't also been injured, or needed on the left-side, then we'd also be seeing less of Dembélé. Perhaps I'm wrong but my main problem with him is that, rather too obviously, he appears to playing for himself, rather than his team. Doesn't pass when he should, doesn't drop back and cover defensively, generally too selfish. Not a good look. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 10:22 - Jan 19 with 1778 views | TheChef |
He's shit and offers nothing.
Get rid. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 11:00 - Jan 19 with 1716 views | Rsole |
I believe that there could be three Dembele in one player…
The good - Lester Dembele
The bad - Preston Dembele
The ugly - Leyton Dembele
Like a box of chocolates, you are never sure what version you are going to get….if we had the
‘Lester’ first half version, we would all be very happy and entertained.
Meantime, I’m happy for him to come off the bench, angry about being dropped and make a point by playing as we saw against his ex-manager, who had mostly experienced the Preston and Leyton versions. |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 11:17 - Jan 19 with 1680 views | Northernr |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:30 - Jan 18 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Arguably none of our four wingers have been great this season. |
This is an important point.
I struggle a lot with Dembele. His defensive cover work is appalling, it's basically non-existent. I still think, overall, he is too small, and too light, he gets bullied off the ball too easily. I didn't like his behaviour in the Sheff Wed game. And he's right near the top of the list of players who played out of their skin against Leicester because the previous manager had perhaps told them some home truths they didn't like, and then immediately regressed again afterwards.
However... None of our wingers are playing well, are they? Saito's looked absolutely bereft lately. Vale started well, faded away. In the Sheff Wed game whenever we crossed the halfway line our wingers 'inverted' so much they were basically our two most central players, taking all the width out of the side.
Probably got to ask a few questions of the manager and the system, given that they're all playing pretty poorly together at the same time. |  | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 11:34 - Jan 19 with 1597 views | numptydumpty |
On here, would say there are two that are competing for the boo boy title, so alongside Dembele, we have Varane.
However recently, a third contender has come to pass. Monsieur Kone. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:09 - Jan 19 with 1557 views | TacticalR |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 11:34 - Jan 19 by numptydumpty |
On here, would say there are two that are competing for the boo boy title, so alongside Dembele, we have Varane.
However recently, a third contender has come to pass. Monsieur Kone. |
Boo boys in depth. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:16 - Jan 19 with 1526 views | wombat |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 11:17 - Jan 19 by Northernr |
This is an important point.
I struggle a lot with Dembele. His defensive cover work is appalling, it's basically non-existent. I still think, overall, he is too small, and too light, he gets bullied off the ball too easily. I didn't like his behaviour in the Sheff Wed game. And he's right near the top of the list of players who played out of their skin against Leicester because the previous manager had perhaps told them some home truths they didn't like, and then immediately regressed again afterwards.
However... None of our wingers are playing well, are they? Saito's looked absolutely bereft lately. Vale started well, faded away. In the Sheff Wed game whenever we crossed the halfway line our wingers 'inverted' so much they were basically our two most central players, taking all the width out of the side.
Probably got to ask a few questions of the manager and the system, given that they're all playing pretty poorly together at the same time. |
id love us to try wingers on the correct wings just once , u know get to the by line and not cut in and actually cross a ball , nothing fancy just old school get the ball in the box , i know its old fashoined but seeing smyth saito chair get to the edge of the box and come in only to loose the ball is going to make me invade the pitch one day |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:22 - Jan 19 with 1509 views | thehat |
For me if he was fulfilling his potential he certainly wouldn't be with us.
He is still young enough to turn this round and I hope that during the week in training they are working on the areas he needs to improve on.
Paul Smyth has much less ability but my god does he work hard especially off the ball.
If we could merge them together we would have a £15M winger on our hands. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:31 - Jan 19 with 1472 views | bosh67 |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:30 - Jan 18 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Arguably none of our four wingers have been great this season. |
I think there is a lot of truth in this. Apart from the not tracking back etc things with Dembele it appears that none of our wingers can consistently sling a decent cross into the box. They can get down the line, they can beat their man, they can cut inside and then appear to hit in hope rather than by design.
That isn't to say they never get it right, but you would hope that it's a higher rate than the 20% success rate it appears to be at the moment. When you think back to the likes of Thomas, Impy, Fereday, Sinton, Cook, etc, our forwards rarely get the service they deserve. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:47 - Jan 19 with 1436 views | nix |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:31 - Jan 19 by bosh67 |
I think there is a lot of truth in this. Apart from the not tracking back etc things with Dembele it appears that none of our wingers can consistently sling a decent cross into the box. They can get down the line, they can beat their man, they can cut inside and then appear to hit in hope rather than by design.
That isn't to say they never get it right, but you would hope that it's a higher rate than the 20% success rate it appears to be at the moment. When you think back to the likes of Thomas, Impy, Fereday, Sinton, Cook, etc, our forwards rarely get the service they deserve. |
It’s his decision making for me. He has a .04 XG per shot compared to Burrell’s .29 XG. In other words he shoots when he has practically no chance of scoring. Unsurprisingly his conversion rate is 2% compared to Burrell’s 29%. That wouldn’t matter if he’d only taken a few shots but he’s taken 39, five more than Burrell and only ten fewer than Kone who has a four times higher conversion rate.
How many times has Dembele therefore not passed/crossed when he should have done and wasted a decent chance? Say that’s up to three goals we’ve missed out on, not outrageous to guess, that could be at least a couple of extra points.
Fine to take a punt when you’re fairly central and not too far out. But shooting from miles out or ridiculously tight angles when there are other options. Just infuriating.
Not saying he isn’t talented or doesn’t have potential but in a way that makes it even more irritating that he doesn’t put the effort in. Personally I think he doesn’t listen to coaches as compared to e.g. Madsen he’s not really improved since he’s been with us. [Post edited 19 Jan 12:50]
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:51 - Jan 19 with 1421 views | Northernr |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:47 - Jan 19 by nix |
It’s his decision making for me. He has a .04 XG per shot compared to Burrell’s .29 XG. In other words he shoots when he has practically no chance of scoring. Unsurprisingly his conversion rate is 2% compared to Burrell’s 29%. That wouldn’t matter if he’d only taken a few shots but he’s taken 39, five more than Burrell and only ten fewer than Kone who has a four times higher conversion rate.
How many times has Dembele therefore not passed/crossed when he should have done and wasted a decent chance? Say that’s up to three goals we’ve missed out on, not outrageous to guess, that could be at least a couple of extra points.
Fine to take a punt when you’re fairly central and not too far out. But shooting from miles out or ridiculously tight angles when there are other options. Just infuriating.
Not saying he isn’t talented or doesn’t have potential but in a way that makes it even more irritating that he doesn’t put the effort in. Personally I think he doesn’t listen to coaches as compared to e.g. Madsen he’s not really improved since he’s been with us. [Post edited 19 Jan 12:50]
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Until Leicester him and Josh Murphy were the two Championship players who'd had the most shots without scoring a goal. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 13:31 - Jan 19 with 1307 views | nix |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:51 - Jan 19 by Northernr |
Until Leicester him and Josh Murphy were the two Championship players who'd had the most shots without scoring a goal. |
Says it all.
But even without the stats (I love them but I’m a nerd and not everyone does) it’s surely obvious to anyone who’s watched us this season! | | | |
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