| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:47 - Feb 5 with 1724 views | TheResurrection |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:44 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
i should know the undisclosed fee how?
But according to Transfermarket the loss was just over £3million. in other words a 33% loss in 6 months.
Of course it is peanuts compared to Baston. |
So you use Wikipedia for your financial data and Transfer market or whatever it's called for your football data, is this right?
Can you confirm or deny this? |  |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:49 - Feb 5 with 1717 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:38 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
LLlorente cost a shade ove £5 million in a higher market.
And the reasons for using cost as the benchmark are not only that it is objective, but also that it has a direct impact on the financial perforance of the club which is the CEO's main responsibility.
Good at that job? Hadly, certainly judging by the past few years. |
You can use cost as a benchmark all you like, still doesn't mean that cost relates to a marquee signing though does it, which is seemingly your point, unless you have since changed it. If we are to use any old signings to gague oerformance then it would be far better to look at all of them and directly comoare to competitors performance.
I am no Jenkins fan. What he has done to this club and its supporters is unforgivable in my eyes. But lets not pretend everything he has done is bad because it is not true and massaging the figures and what constitutes certain things doesnt really prove anyones point.
He had a duty to ensure we were passed on to responsible owners, he failed in that duty. But that doesnt mean what he did previous to that was awful. If we get a better DoF lined up then by all means he can sling his hook. |  |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:49 - Feb 5 with 1721 views | TheResurrection |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:41 - Feb 5 by Dr_Winston |
Did a very good job for ten years. Allowed that success to go to his head and convince himself that he knew more than he did, resulting in failures of decision making when the smarter move would have been to step aside and hand the reins to someone more suited to working at the level we were.
Acted in a disingenuous manner (at best) when conducting the sale of shares and has thoroughly poisoned the well of good will as a result. His continued presence will prevent a lot of wounds from healing. |
Or his absence could cause a collapse of our football club.
Your earlier points, some truth in that, no doubt, but probably his biggest crime was taking his eye off the ball to concentrate on the books to sell the Club.
If he calmed down and got back to basics he could steer our ship on the straight and narrow again. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:50 - Feb 5 with 1717 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:47 - Feb 5 by TheResurrection |
So you use Wikipedia for your financial data and Transfer market or whatever it's called for your football data, is this right?
Can you confirm or deny this? |
If you have a better source of transfer market data I am all ears. That's certainly what I use.
Do I use Wikipedia for financial information? No, I sometimes use it to document what i already know. [Post edited 5 Feb 2018 12:51]
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:50 - Feb 5 with 1717 views | TheResurrection |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:42 - Feb 5 by Quincy999 |
It was my understanding that he had been identified as a potential signing before Guidolin, and that it suited both parties when Guidolin came on board. |
Well you're wrong. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:52 - Feb 5 with 1708 views | TheResurrection |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:50 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
If you have a better source of transfer market data I am all ears. That's certainly what I use.
Do I use Wikipedia for financial information? No, I sometimes use it to document what i already know. [Post edited 5 Feb 2018 12:51]
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Thank you for your input then but next time I'd urge more caution in your choice of hyperbole. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:55 - Feb 5 with 1704 views | Oldjack |
yes ,he's been pretty good at picking managers ,but that doesn't excuse him from also being a sly devious lying kant who can't be trusted to take the bins out . |  |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:02 - Feb 5 with 1689 views | TheResurrection |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:55 - Feb 5 by Oldjack |
yes ,he's been pretty good at picking managers ,but that doesn't excuse him from also being a sly devious lying kant who can't be trusted to take the bins out . |
No it doesn't and he never will be properly forgiven.
But that doesn't mean we should cut our noses off to spite our faces.
What would you choose:
Jenkins to stay, us to find a good manager and be doing well in the league and going on a cup run (that's happening right now)
Jenkins to go, fans have won, the bastard has gone. Americans to appoint, god knows, we're all over the shop, some stupid decisions, we drift off into oblivion.
Now obviously I've made those choices quite obvious, but seriously, tell me one Swans fan who isn't worried about the worst case scenario ??! | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:03 - Feb 5 with 1682 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 12:49 - Feb 5 by TheResurrection |
Or his absence could cause a collapse of our football club.
Your earlier points, some truth in that, no doubt, but probably his biggest crime was taking his eye off the ball to concentrate on the books to sell the Club.
If he calmed down and got back to basics he could steer our ship on the straight and narrow again. |
Well let's hear your arguments that "absence could cause a collapse of our football club", and subject them to rational scrutiny.
As is stands, the my secret source who can not be challenged line doesn't cut it.
Nor does the Jenkins has supernatural powers of managment, obviously. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:06 - Feb 5 with 1678 views | theloneranger |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:02 - Feb 5 by TheResurrection |
No it doesn't and he never will be properly forgiven.
But that doesn't mean we should cut our noses off to spite our faces.
What would you choose:
Jenkins to stay, us to find a good manager and be doing well in the league and going on a cup run (that's happening right now)
Jenkins to go, fans have won, the bastard has gone. Americans to appoint, god knows, we're all over the shop, some stupid decisions, we drift off into oblivion.
Now obviously I've made those choices quite obvious, but seriously, tell me one Swans fan who isn't worried about the worst case scenario ??! |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:07 - Feb 5 with 1676 views | Private_Partz |
What a complete and utter waste of time.
Up to ML he was very good at appointing managers. Since then it has been a revolving door with payouts at every turn.
He has always been poor at sourcing players. Very, Very hit and miss. His window at the start of this season has proven to be one of his worst. It remains to be seen whether this one will be just as bad. Thank God Everton blew stupid amounts on Siggy or we would be in a bigger financial mess than we are now.
If Carlos gets us out of this sh!te it will because of him and his ability to mould a weak, imbalanced and paper thin squad.
Yes Jenkins appointed him but, let's face it, the cupboard was bare. Few top managers available and few wanted to come here anyway due to the mess the club is in. Carlos will go the same way if he can't hack it with the minimal support he is getting.
One good thing about our predicament is it won't cost as, if he goes, his short term contract will be up anyway so no pay off.
I have not even touched upon the underhand skullduggery of the sale either. I have just concentrated on his performance.
It is quite incredible that now we have strung a few results together they are coming out of the woodwork saying 'he may not be so bad after all'.
Sure we owe him, and many others, a debt of gratitude for helping to get us to where we are now.
That however does no excuse, ineptitude, incompetence and downright slyness. |  |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:07 - Feb 5 with 1670 views | Oldjack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:02 - Feb 5 by TheResurrection |
No it doesn't and he never will be properly forgiven.
But that doesn't mean we should cut our noses off to spite our faces.
What would you choose:
Jenkins to stay, us to find a good manager and be doing well in the league and going on a cup run (that's happening right now)
Jenkins to go, fans have won, the bastard has gone. Americans to appoint, god knows, we're all over the shop, some stupid decisions, we drift off into oblivion.
Now obviously I've made those choices quite obvious, but seriously, tell me one Swans fan who isn't worried about the worst case scenario ??! |
Well odds on he'll be packing his bags soon anyway,[good riddance] so what ever will be will be and we the fans will soldier on as usual | |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:08 - Feb 5 with 1662 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:03 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
Well let's hear your arguments that "absence could cause a collapse of our football club", and subject them to rational scrutiny.
As is stands, the my secret source who can not be challenged line doesn't cut it.
Nor does the Jenkins has supernatural powers of managment, obviously. |
That much is obvious isn't it? If the Americans are willing to sign players due to the trust they have in Jenkins and him being "a football man" (as they have repeatedly said) then if he was no longer there, who would they trust to handover the money? Would they employ someone else they trust? Landon Donovan? Bob Bradley? Tom Cruise? Ryan Gosling?
Now compare the tansfer and managerial record of those 4 people to Huw Jenkins. [Post edited 5 Feb 2018 13:10]
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:12 - Feb 5 with 1653 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:08 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
That much is obvious isn't it? If the Americans are willing to sign players due to the trust they have in Jenkins and him being "a football man" (as they have repeatedly said) then if he was no longer there, who would they trust to handover the money? Would they employ someone else they trust? Landon Donovan? Bob Bradley? Tom Cruise? Ryan Gosling?
Now compare the tansfer and managerial record of those 4 people to Huw Jenkins. [Post edited 5 Feb 2018 13:10]
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I am waiting to hear a significantly less feeble argument than if jenkins were sacked, Kaplan would put Mickey Mouse in charge of his £70 million investment. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:14 - Feb 5 with 1641 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:12 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
I am waiting to hear a significantly less feeble argument than if jenkins were sacked, Kaplan would put Mickey Mouse in charge of his £70 million investment. |
Like the time they did that with Bob Bradley you mean?
Aye fair point. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:15 - Feb 5 with 1640 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:14 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
Like the time they did that with Bob Bradley you mean?
Aye fair point. |
Was Bob Bradly CEO then? Sorry, didn't realise that. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:17 - Feb 5 with 1635 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:15 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
Was Bob Bradly CEO then? Sorry, didn't realise that. |
No but was in charge of the playing side of his £70m investment.
Has he ever appointed a better CEO in his sports portfolio then? If he has then that would be an encouraging start to your argument. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:19 - Feb 5 with 1627 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:17 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
No but was in charge of the playing side of his £70m investment.
Has he ever appointed a better CEO in his sports portfolio then? If he has then that would be an encouraging start to your argument. |
For someone who claims such wide expertise in probability, you sure as shit don't understand much about the practical limitations of general theorems applied to small sample sizes. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:22 - Feb 5 with 1618 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:19 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
For someone who claims such wide expertise in probability, you sure as shit don't understand much about the practical limitations of general theorems applied to small sample sizes. |
Ah back to the tried and tested Shaky response of "If stuck, get abusive".
So I take it from your reluctance to answer that question that he has not ever appointed a better CEO then?
How about if we talk relatively speaking then. DC United, how have their transfers and managerial appointments gone relative to the league they are in?
Wikipedia will help if you dont know off the top of your head. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:25 - Feb 5 with 1606 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:22 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
Ah back to the tried and tested Shaky response of "If stuck, get abusive".
So I take it from your reluctance to answer that question that he has not ever appointed a better CEO then?
How about if we talk relatively speaking then. DC United, how have their transfers and managerial appointments gone relative to the league they are in?
Wikipedia will help if you dont know off the top of your head. |
Kaplan is a very successful vulture investor.
If you belive appointing shit, low grade management to your investee companies is one of the hallmarks of success, you are wrong. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:29 - Feb 5 with 1594 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:25 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
Kaplan is a very successful vulture investor.
If you belive appointing shit, low grade management to your investee companies is one of the hallmarks of success, you are wrong. |
Right, but you are not talking about sports teams are you? Sports is a very niche area of business, lets not pretend otherwise.
So in order to figure out what his decision making and judgement is like in this field of business, then the only logical thing to do would be to look at his history in this field of business.
Correct me if I am wrong (I am not) but it makes for horrendous viewing.
Now if your argument is, that he has never appointed good CEO's in his sports teams so we should get rid of our most successful ever one in the hope that fact changes - because he does well in completely non related fields - then that doesn't inspire the charge Shakes. [Post edited 5 Feb 2018 13:37]
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:38 - Feb 5 with 1565 views | Shaky |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:29 - Feb 5 by E20Jack |
Right, but you are not talking about sports teams are you? Sports is a very niche area of business, lets not pretend otherwise.
So in order to figure out what his decision making and judgement is like in this field of business, then the only logical thing to do would be to look at his history in this field of business.
Correct me if I am wrong (I am not) but it makes for horrendous viewing.
Now if your argument is, that he has never appointed good CEO's in his sports teams so we should get rid of our most successful ever one in the hope that fact changes - because he does well in completely non related fields - then that doesn't inspire the charge Shakes. [Post edited 5 Feb 2018 13:37]
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One of the areas of probability where your understanding is clearly deficient relates to what is known as the 'hot hand fallacy'.
You should look it up from both sides of the argument on Wikipedia or something, it's really very interesting.
Anyway to the extent that Jenkin's ever had one, it went stone cold at least 3 years ago. Objectively speaking that is.
In business CEOs are typically judged on maximum periods of maybe a year, and sometimes even less. Seems ot me he has had more than enough chances. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:39 - Feb 5 with 1563 views | Shaky |
And I'm out, BTW. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:44 - Feb 5 with 1551 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:38 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
One of the areas of probability where your understanding is clearly deficient relates to what is known as the 'hot hand fallacy'.
You should look it up from both sides of the argument on Wikipedia or something, it's really very interesting.
Anyway to the extent that Jenkin's ever had one, it went stone cold at least 3 years ago. Objectively speaking that is.
In business CEOs are typically judged on maximum periods of maybe a year, and sometimes even less. Seems ot me he has had more than enough chances. |
Shaky, silly little meaningless quips does not strengthen your position. It weakens it and makes you look even more petulant than usual. How about you try and debate properly without having to resort to such nonsense? You clearly have a bee in your bonnet, I have tried to find out the root cause but alas you choose to continue this nonsense instead. That is your call.
But back to the debate. You are ignoring what is being put to you. Every single sports team they owned was bottom of their respective leagues a few weeks ago, historically it is not much better. You can bark out the hot hand fallacy, you can manipulate figures and you can soeculate til the cows come home - the fact remains that historically, left to their own devices, they are far less successful than anything we have seen under the huidance of HJ.
An utter cretin of a man for what he has done, he has ruined his legacy forever... But until there is a better man for the job lined up, this is all hot air. | |
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| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:49 - Feb 5 with 1535 views | E20Jack |
| Huw jenkins: Do Swans fans have him ALL wrong? on 13:39 - Feb 5 by Shaky |
And I'm out, BTW. |
Of course you are. Thats what you do when you realise you have no argument. | |
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