| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... 19:37 - Sep 1 with 1853 views | QPR_ARG |
...we did quite well for a team with only 10 men.
Haven't been posting recently. Crazy busy.
The match just finished. It was on TV here in Argentina.
How many more chances are we going to give SWP? I'm sorry. I lost all my patience with him half-way through last season. He's not showing any kind of improvement.
We showed some promising signs with Granero, Faurlin back, a great second half from Park, both strikers participating in our goal, a defence that suffered at the start but coped quite well with their superior team and even Green had some good interventions (though he clearly gives our back four no confidence at all). Dyer impressed me too.
Yet, the only one that seemed not to be up to the standards required, is the same player that has simply not been good enough since he joined.
I swear I want to like him. I insist I have nothing personal against him and I confess that all I want is for him to score 30 goals a season and finish with 50 assists.
But it's not happening and I don't believe it will ever happen. Not even a third of those figures.
One play just gave me the perfect example.
Granero battled in midfield and dispossessed a City player. Went up field. Saw Park on the left and passed it to feet. The Korean then faked a pass back to Granero and sent it to a wide-open SWP who had a bit of space and was getting into their box. What did he do? He shot straight at the defender's legs. Hopeless. Absolutely hopeless. It was 2-1 at the time. He turned a golden opportunity into nothing.
There were countless moments in which he just doesn't understand what a footballer should do. We can't go on carrying him through another season.
I just hope we use other options now. This is beyond infuriating. Rant over.
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 19:39 - Sep 1 with 1479 views | kropotkin41 |
I thought he looked pretty effective at times tbh. He often plays quite an important defensive role as well. |  |
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 19:39 - Sep 1 with 1472 views | THEBUSH |
SWP is the most frustrating player ever, that's it !! |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 19:44 - Sep 1 with 1444 views | jamois |
Welcome back Arg. I agree about SWP and had just posted similar thoughts on another thread. |  |
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 19:44 - Sep 1 with 1444 views | JonDoeman |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 19:39 - Sep 1 by kropotkin41 |
I thought he looked pretty effective at times tbh. He often plays quite an important defensive role as well. |
Better defender than attacker now, did a good job at that today.
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 20:10 - Sep 1 with 1362 views | cheeseydane |
That didnt take long arg. 
Understand your frustrations but... for me it was clear why SWP played today.
He constantly tracked back and made a few important tackles.(probaly kept us in the game).
There will be a time for Hoilett etc, but today i think MH made the right choice.
Maybe should have been subbed after we went 2-1 down and had to go for it, but at the time we were playing some good stuff.
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 20:13 - Sep 1 with 1344 views | Clive_Anderson |
He loses the ball every time he gets it pretty much. It stops our attacks and allows the opposition to break on us leading to chance after chance.
Part of having a good defence is in keeping the ball and putting pressure on the opposition full backs stopping them coming forward. He does the opposite by giving it away time after time.
He tries hard I'll give him that and he doesn't hide either like Bothroyd. But please let's have Adel, Mackie or Hoilett on instead. |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 20:40 - Sep 1 with 1264 views | Jigsore |
I'm not sure Taarabt would be the right option at City where not losing the ball in your half is key.
Yet I was surprised Mackie, who does a lot of work tracking back or Hoilett, one of our best performers so far this year weren't used in place of SWP.
IMO SWP had no place in that team other than a substitute. |  |
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:30 - Sep 1 with 1158 views | Jamie |
SWP was better than Faurlin today. IMO. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:32 - Sep 1 with 1143 views | Clive_Anderson |
Wow.
People actually rated his performance.
He lost the ball every time he got it. | | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:34 - Sep 1 with 1128 views | Jamie |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:32 - Sep 1 by Clive_Anderson |
Wow.
People actually rated his performance.
He lost the ball every time he got it. |
Apart from the several times he tore away from Kolarov and forced him to drag him down. | | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:40 - Sep 1 with 1116 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:34 - Sep 1 by Jamie |
Apart from the several times he tore away from Kolarov and forced him to drag him down. |
He ran fast in a straight line a few times into the opposition defenders who won the ball every time.
But you're right a couple of times he was fouled on the touchline at the start of the sprint before giving it away. He never actually went round anyone all game.
Apart from that he lost the ball with a terrible first touch many times.
I honestly think we'd have kept the ball better with 10 men. | | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:40 - Sep 1 with 1117 views | carrotcrunch_R |
I have been extremely disappointed with swp I am sure he is a lot better than that but his work rate does get over looked at times. Mind you dyer looked good when he came on. |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:44 - Sep 1 with 1105 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:40 - Sep 1 by carrotcrunch_R |
I have been extremely disappointed with swp I am sure he is a lot better than that but his work rate does get over looked at times. Mind you dyer looked good when he came on. |
Fair enough he ran back and made a few tackles. But I think he lost the ball more often than he won it back.
But even if that wasn't the case is it enough for a Premier League player to make a few tackles in a game?
Players need to control and pass the ball and help retain possession, especially against such a good team away from home. Not just run back and make the odd tackle. | | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:53 - Sep 1 with 1052 views | Suffolk |
I believe he put in a good shift. Discipline and graft was needed today and he excelled at both. |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 22:28 - Sep 1 with 994 views | 18StoneOfHoop |
Oliver Cromwell was another pragmatic roundhead from Suffolk.
The cliched 'putting in good shifts' with a disciplined,far-too-deep,well-organised two banks of four keeping your shape for the opening half hour timorous spirit does not win you away matches.
Give me cavaliers like Prince Rupert Lion of Atlas Adel every time.
That City defence is vulnerable give it a go like Southampton did.
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 23:38 - Sep 1 with 917 views | QPR_ARG |
Thanks for not having personal goes at me like I had in the past for criticizing SWP and thanks for making a good debate on this subject, with respect to everyone's opinion.
Now the argument about him doing a good job defensively is a weak one, IMO.
What is he? First of all, I always thought he was a winger. An offensive one. Never knew he was a wing-back or a right-back or a full-back (whatever you want to call that position).
If he's just there for his defensive work, then we should just use a specialist. An additional defender. A tough-tackling man that never crosses the half-way line and that's it. We're sorted. There you go...you have your man doing a good defensive job.
I see SWP getting caught out of position when we are dispossessed and he offers the opposition a lot of space when we are in transition from attack to defence, from having the ball to chasing rivals.
For a player that is asked to do both jobs (on and off the ball, like any normal professional footballer these days, really), he doesn't seem to have the tactical awareness that is needed. Or a decision-making process that is good enough for a player at this level. Otherwise, it must be my issue then. It must be that for the life of me I swear he always takes the wrong decision!
To me it was a crime to start him in a midfield full of brains (Faurlin, Granero, Park). He was the missing link. I would have much rather have Mackie on his place or Park on the right and Traore on the left. Now that's a player who can do a job defensively and has ability going forward. He played far fewer minutes than SWP since both joined but has been directly involved in some of the best football we've played and have created goals for others (such as away at Stoke and most importantly at the Etihad last day of last season).
I'm fine with needing cover in midfield at a place like Man City, but to start SWP and play him 90 minutes simply doesn't work and my feeling is that it'll never worked. | | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 23:45 - Sep 1 with 894 views | jonno |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 23:38 - Sep 1 by QPR_ARG |
Thanks for not having personal goes at me like I had in the past for criticizing SWP and thanks for making a good debate on this subject, with respect to everyone's opinion.
Now the argument about him doing a good job defensively is a weak one, IMO.
What is he? First of all, I always thought he was a winger. An offensive one. Never knew he was a wing-back or a right-back or a full-back (whatever you want to call that position).
If he's just there for his defensive work, then we should just use a specialist. An additional defender. A tough-tackling man that never crosses the half-way line and that's it. We're sorted. There you go...you have your man doing a good defensive job.
I see SWP getting caught out of position when we are dispossessed and he offers the opposition a lot of space when we are in transition from attack to defence, from having the ball to chasing rivals.
For a player that is asked to do both jobs (on and off the ball, like any normal professional footballer these days, really), he doesn't seem to have the tactical awareness that is needed. Or a decision-making process that is good enough for a player at this level. Otherwise, it must be my issue then. It must be that for the life of me I swear he always takes the wrong decision!
To me it was a crime to start him in a midfield full of brains (Faurlin, Granero, Park). He was the missing link. I would have much rather have Mackie on his place or Park on the right and Traore on the left. Now that's a player who can do a job defensively and has ability going forward. He played far fewer minutes than SWP since both joined but has been directly involved in some of the best football we've played and have created goals for others (such as away at Stoke and most importantly at the Etihad last day of last season).
I'm fine with needing cover in midfield at a place like Man City, but to start SWP and play him 90 minutes simply doesn't work and my feeling is that it'll never worked. |
Totally agree. SWP should not be starting games, he's simply not good enough, wasn't last season and now we have some far better players he should be nowhere near the starting eleven. Ferdinand is also not good enough to be a PL centre back.
We now have the players to replace those two, when that happens we'll be a far better side. |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 00:02 - Sep 2 with 875 views | QPR1882 |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 23:38 - Sep 1 by QPR_ARG |
Thanks for not having personal goes at me like I had in the past for criticizing SWP and thanks for making a good debate on this subject, with respect to everyone's opinion.
Now the argument about him doing a good job defensively is a weak one, IMO.
What is he? First of all, I always thought he was a winger. An offensive one. Never knew he was a wing-back or a right-back or a full-back (whatever you want to call that position).
If he's just there for his defensive work, then we should just use a specialist. An additional defender. A tough-tackling man that never crosses the half-way line and that's it. We're sorted. There you go...you have your man doing a good defensive job.
I see SWP getting caught out of position when we are dispossessed and he offers the opposition a lot of space when we are in transition from attack to defence, from having the ball to chasing rivals.
For a player that is asked to do both jobs (on and off the ball, like any normal professional footballer these days, really), he doesn't seem to have the tactical awareness that is needed. Or a decision-making process that is good enough for a player at this level. Otherwise, it must be my issue then. It must be that for the life of me I swear he always takes the wrong decision!
To me it was a crime to start him in a midfield full of brains (Faurlin, Granero, Park). He was the missing link. I would have much rather have Mackie on his place or Park on the right and Traore on the left. Now that's a player who can do a job defensively and has ability going forward. He played far fewer minutes than SWP since both joined but has been directly involved in some of the best football we've played and have created goals for others (such as away at Stoke and most importantly at the Etihad last day of last season).
I'm fine with needing cover in midfield at a place like Man City, but to start SWP and play him 90 minutes simply doesn't work and my feeling is that it'll never worked. |
SWP was asked to do a job today and done the job very well. It's ok to have a midfield full of brains / skill etc but you also need a work horse,we had one but he is now in France. Watch a replay of Swanseas 5 goals and watch just how static our skillful midfield was,see who of them tracked back. England found out a long time ago that Gerrard and Lampard could not play in the same side because they are both attacking midfield players and neither would track back. I doubt very much that SWP will start a lot of games this year,but today he did and the boy did well. Lets see against the scum if he does not start who will end up doing the donkey work,who will do the chasing back tracking oppos forwards /midfield. In fact lets see if any of the midfield brains bother there arse and if not will we end up with another Swansea scoreline. |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 00:12 - Sep 2 with 861 views | baz_qpr |
Nothing in the Swansea game was down to personnel it was purely down to system and how that personnel was employed. IMHO the reason why SWP played today was that Hughes did not want to risk Hoilett or Taarabt in front of Fabio in a 4-4-2 with Silva running at them which meant Park playing on the left and SWP will track back so played on the right. |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 00:23 - Sep 2 with 848 views | TearsOfaClown |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 22:28 - Sep 1 by 18StoneOfHoop |
Oliver Cromwell was another pragmatic roundhead from Suffolk.
The cliched 'putting in good shifts' with a disciplined,far-too-deep,well-organised two banks of four keeping your shape for the opening half hour timorous spirit does not win you away matches.
Give me cavaliers like Prince Rupert Lion of Atlas Adel every time.
That City defence is vulnerable give it a go like Southampton did.
Better to die a lion than a sheep. |
"The cliched 'putting in good shifts' "
This phrase is also used a lot when Barton was mentioned on here in the last week.
Driving me nuts.
SWP shoots at defenders, he runs at defenders . . . and now he runs with our defenders. Mercy |  | | |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 01:38 - Sep 2 with 807 views | NathanNI |
I often describe SWP as 'all fart and no shit'.
He seems to be involved, he is often in the picture, he often tracks back, he sometimes wins a free kick...
But for me ( and I'm no boo boy ) he crucially lacks any end product. He continually has no final ball. He continually shoots at defenders legs. He continually loses possession.
I rated him a lot, and I don't doubt there is a decent player in there. But he long since lost his edge. If he can't get it back, and I've not seen anything that makes me think he can. He shouldn't start.
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 01:48 - Sep 2 with 799 views | nadera78 |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 21:30 - Sep 1 by Jamie |
SWP was better than Faurlin today. IMO. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 07:34 - Sep 2 with 711 views | ShotKneesHoop |
| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 00:23 - Sep 2 by TearsOfaClown |
"The cliched 'putting in good shifts' "
This phrase is also used a lot when Barton was mentioned on here in the last week.
Driving me nuts.
SWP shoots at defenders, he runs at defenders . . . and now he runs with our defenders. Mercy |
Just because SWP finally gets a goal (against the mighty Walsall) doesn't make him any better than an overrated flea. Annoying, gets in everyone's way, with no end product.
How Taraabt, Hill, Derry, Mackie, Cisse must feel about this waste of space getting any time in front of them after what they contributed last year is beyond comprehension.
I find it very hard to identify with the R's anytime that SWP figures in Mark Hughes plans. It will end in tears unless he is back in his proper place, driving the team bus. |  |
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| Hi! Long time. I'm sorry but... on 07:38 - Sep 2 with 703 views | DylanP |
SWP did some good defensive work. But here's the thing - he is not a defender. He is an attacking midfielder. He is supposed to be feeding the front line, creating chances, etc. He gets himself in good positions and can run well with the ball when in space. But he cannot get round anyone, cannot pass, cannot cross and cannot shoot. the best thing he did today on the offensive side was fall over for free kicks. |  |
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