| Aid workers killed 18:35 - Apr 4 with 4809 views | SullutaCreturned |
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My personal belief is that Israel did it on purpose. They don't want aid reaching Gaza because their intention is to wipe it out completely, they want those that aren't killed to leave so there is no more Muslim presence there.
And please, of you can't be sensible, don't post. It's ruining the forum and preventing decent debate. |  | | |  |
| Aid workers killed on 12:42 - Apr 7 with 1006 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Aid workers killed on 10:25 - Apr 7 by Gwyn737 |
I think there are common threads emerging for most moderates:
1. The attacks on October 7th were abhorrent
2. Isreal had a right to defend itself
3. Its defence had now moved way past proportionate. [Post edited 7 Apr 14:39]
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This^
Israel reacted to Hamas in a predictable way, a way that was initially acceptable to most neutrals.
It has gone way past acceptable now though. They are killing children, they are killing the innocent and they are even killing aid workers.
Even Israel's own people are protesting against this.
Netanyahu needs to stop the slaughter but I maintain that he wants the strip cleared of Muslims, one way or the other. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 12:48 - Apr 7 with 1004 views | jackrmee |
| Aid workers killed on 10:25 - Apr 7 by Gwyn737 |
I think there are common threads emerging for most moderates:
1. The attacks on October 7th were abhorrent
2. Isreal had a right to defend itself
3. Its defence had now moved way past proportionate. [Post edited 7 Apr 14:39]
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I agree totally with your 3 points, but number 1 isnt where this all started.
Palestine also have a right to defend themselves from decades of occupation and attacks. |  |
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| Aid workers killed on 13:12 - Apr 7 with 999 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Aid workers killed on 12:48 - Apr 7 by jackrmee |
I agree totally with your 3 points, but number 1 isnt where this all started.
Palestine also have a right to defend themselves from decades of occupation and attacks. |
They say attack is the best form of defence but it doesn’t seem to be working for Hamas at the moment… |  |
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| Aid workers killed on 15:54 - Apr 7 with 960 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Aid workers killed on 12:48 - Apr 7 by jackrmee |
I agree totally with your 3 points, but number 1 isnt where this all started.
Palestine also have a right to defend themselves from decades of occupation and attacks. |
And yet Israel didnt start this either. When, in 1947 the league of nations backed a 2 state solution it was the Muslims who rejected it. Then militias on both sides started fighting.
Both sides are to blame and that is why this needs settling because until both sides agree a solution there will NEVER be peace on the West bank. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 18:15 - Apr 7 with 939 views | shingle |
| Aid workers killed on 10:14 - Apr 7 by jackrmee |
As opposed to all the other humans in the world, who do not speculate?
Don’t you think it’s more likely they are dead than alive?
If so, after Israel have been proved to have killed some of them already, and indiscriminately blown smithereens out of the whole of Gaza, you think they purposely didn’t bomb the spot where the hostages are?
And it’s me that’s clueless hahahaha |
You now go and say, don`t i think it`s more likely they are dead than alive, so now you are asking me to speculate as well, so again my point is proved on just how clueless you are and the only way you can think of redeeming your stupidity is by calling those of us trying to help you clueless as well. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 21:36 - Apr 7 with 905 views | jackrmee |
| Aid workers killed on 15:54 - Apr 7 by SullutaCreturned |
And yet Israel didnt start this either. When, in 1947 the league of nations backed a 2 state solution it was the Muslims who rejected it. Then militias on both sides started fighting.
Both sides are to blame and that is why this needs settling because until both sides agree a solution there will NEVER be peace on the West bank. |
Yes both sides are to blame. One is much worse than the other though. | |
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| Aid workers killed on 21:41 - Apr 7 with 903 views | jackrmee |
| Aid workers killed on 18:15 - Apr 7 by shingle |
You now go and say, don`t i think it`s more likely they are dead than alive, so now you are asking me to speculate as well, so again my point is proved on just how clueless you are and the only way you can think of redeeming your stupidity is by calling those of us trying to help you clueless as well. |
What the heck are you talking about flower?.
Of course we speculate.
We don’t know.
No one knows, so we make educated guesses.
I’m not telling you that what I am saying is the truth, I’m merely saying what I think. Isn’t that allowed? | |
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| Aid workers killed on 17:54 - Apr 8 with 847 views | shingle |
| Aid workers killed on 21:41 - Apr 7 by jackrmee |
What the heck are you talking about flower?.
Of course we speculate.
We don’t know.
No one knows, so we make educated guesses.
I’m not telling you that what I am saying is the truth, I’m merely saying what I think. Isn’t that allowed? |
You ask what am i talking about then agree with what i say, but can not see that you are actually agreeing with me lol maybe you should stick to telling us how the Swans can improve, saying that you seem to be getting nowhere on that subject either. | | | |
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| Aid workers killed on 23:31 - Apr 8 with 784 views | jackrmee |
| Aid workers killed on 17:54 - Apr 8 by shingle |
You ask what am i talking about then agree with what i say, but can not see that you are actually agreeing with me lol maybe you should stick to telling us how the Swans can improve, saying that you seem to be getting nowhere on that subject either. |
Everything is speculation, dopey.
No one knows.
We know Israel murdered 3 of them.
We know Israel have bombed almost every part of Gaza.
We know the hostages are in Gaza.
Fact. Israel have already killed some.
Probable. Israel have bombed some more.
Possible. Israel have bombed them all.
Now how does that make me clueless?
The clues are there. I’m full of clues. | |
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| Aid workers killed on 07:56 - Apr 9 with 755 views | controversial_jack |
| Aid workers killed on 23:31 - Apr 8 by jackrmee |
Everything is speculation, dopey.
No one knows.
We know Israel murdered 3 of them.
We know Israel have bombed almost every part of Gaza.
We know the hostages are in Gaza.
Fact. Israel have already killed some.
Probable. Israel have bombed some more.
Possible. Israel have bombed them all.
Now how does that make me clueless?
The clues are there. I’m full of clues. |
Israel hasn't met any of it's objectives. Hamas is still strong and the hostages haven't been found. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 15:46 - Apr 10 with 713 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Aid workers killed on 07:56 - Apr 9 by controversial_jack |
Israel hasn't met any of it's objectives. Hamas is still strong and the hostages haven't been found. |
Wrong, we don't know that and....some of them have. Some have been killed by the IDF too.
It's just a total mess and Israel needs to wise up. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 16:57 - Apr 10 with 700 views | controversial_jack |
| Aid workers killed on 15:46 - Apr 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Wrong, we don't know that and....some of them have. Some have been killed by the IDF too.
It's just a total mess and Israel needs to wise up. |
We do know that! Hostages have not been freed and Hamas is still strong. The Israel economy has been trashed, down 27%. Benny Yahoo very unpopular too. Some good news at last | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 17:31 - Apr 10 with 695 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Hamas leaders said his three sons have been killed.
Oh dear how sad never mind. | |
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| Aid workers killed on 18:17 - Apr 10 with 690 views | theloneranger |
| Aid workers killed on 17:31 - Apr 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Hamas leaders said his three sons have been killed.
Oh dear how sad never mind. |
The same Hammas leader who lives in a lavish residence in Doha!! |  |
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| Aid workers killed on 18:30 - Apr 10 with 684 views | fbreath |
| Aid workers killed on 18:17 - Apr 10 by theloneranger |
The same Hammas leader who lives in a lavish residence in Doha!! |
He was very angry and was heard saying he could crush a grape |  |
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| Aid workers killed on 00:03 - Apr 11 with 652 views | controversial_jack |
Did i say that it's new? | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 08:22 - Apr 11 with 619 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Aid workers killed on 21:36 - Apr 7 by jackrmee |
Yes both sides are to blame. One is much worse than the other though. |
Well I don't remember (though I could be wrong) Israel procaliming they wanted to wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth but Hamas certainly did say they wanted to wipe Israel off.
Israel says it wants to destroy Hamas.
In which case, yes, Hamas are worse from that point of view. What Israel is doing now though, that is worse than anything else that has gone on in my memory of this constant conflict.
Israel cannot keep saying ah but the holocaust, antisemitism, it can't say that after what it has been doing. If its not genocide it is definitely mass murder. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 08:47 - Apr 11 with 609 views | jackrmee |
| Aid workers killed on 08:22 - Apr 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Well I don't remember (though I could be wrong) Israel procaliming they wanted to wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth but Hamas certainly did say they wanted to wipe Israel off.
Israel says it wants to destroy Hamas.
In which case, yes, Hamas are worse from that point of view. What Israel is doing now though, that is worse than anything else that has gone on in my memory of this constant conflict.
Israel cannot keep saying ah but the holocaust, antisemitism, it can't say that after what it has been doing. If its not genocide it is definitely mass murder. |
Ok so you say that Hamas has “said” worse things.
Yet Israel have “done” worse things.
Ok seems fair. Let them carry on 👍 | |
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| Aid workers killed on 13:27 - Apr 11 with 588 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Aid workers killed on 08:47 - Apr 11 by jackrmee |
Ok so you say that Hamas has “said” worse things.
Yet Israel have “done” worse things.
Ok seems fair. Let them carry on 👍 |
Who said let them carry on?
What Israel have done is only worse by scale. Kidnapping, torturing, murdering, it's all bad and they both have done it. For Israel at least it is in response to continual threats from Hamas. Hamas have declared they want to wipe israel off the face of the Earth, what is Israel supposed to do, roll over and accept it?
Was Israel supposed to just say ok when Hamas attacked and took hostages? Did you think Israel wouldn't respond? The big problem is the level of their response, they have gone too far.
As I said, they both have to accept the two state solution, it doesn't work unless they both comply. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 14:12 - Apr 11 with 575 views | DaPs166 |
| Aid workers killed on 12:42 - Apr 7 by SullutaCreturned |
This^
Israel reacted to Hamas in a predictable way, a way that was initially acceptable to most neutrals.
It has gone way past acceptable now though. They are killing children, they are killing the innocent and they are even killing aid workers.
Even Israel's own people are protesting against this.
Netanyahu needs to stop the slaughter but I maintain that he wants the strip cleared of Muslims, one way or the other. |
Israel’s own people are protesting against Netanyahu because they believe he’s a roadblock to getting the hostages back. They’re not protesting because they think the war isn’t justified. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 14:15 - Apr 11 with 573 views | onehunglow |
| Aid workers killed on 13:27 - Apr 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Who said let them carry on?
What Israel have done is only worse by scale. Kidnapping, torturing, murdering, it's all bad and they both have done it. For Israel at least it is in response to continual threats from Hamas. Hamas have declared they want to wipe israel off the face of the Earth, what is Israel supposed to do, roll over and accept it?
Was Israel supposed to just say ok when Hamas attacked and took hostages? Did you think Israel wouldn't respond? The big problem is the level of their response, they have gone too far.
As I said, they both have to accept the two state solution, it doesn't work unless they both comply. |
Not just Hamas. | |
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| Aid workers killed on 14:22 - Apr 11 with 569 views | DaPs166 |
You do realise Israel is 21% Arab Muslim? As in 21% of its citizens are Muslim.
You do also realise that Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, including every Jew there, even the dead bodies in cemeteries.
To say that Israel want no Muslim presence in Gaza is quite simply idiotic. And you’ve clearly been brainwashed by Taqiyaa Islamists that seem to be welcomed with open arms in Wales. | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 14:53 - Apr 11 with 541 views | controversial_jack |
| Aid workers killed on 14:22 - Apr 11 by DaPs166 |
You do realise Israel is 21% Arab Muslim? As in 21% of its citizens are Muslim.
You do also realise that Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, including every Jew there, even the dead bodies in cemeteries.
To say that Israel want no Muslim presence in Gaza is quite simply idiotic. And you’ve clearly been brainwashed by Taqiyaa Islamists that seem to be welcomed with open arms in Wales. |
Incorrect!
https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/11/israel-trying-to-clear-palestinians-from-gaz | | | |
| Aid workers killed on 14:58 - Apr 11 with 533 views | DaPs166 |
Which part is incorrect? Everything I said is a fact.
The facts show that the claims made by certain people about wanting to remove all Muslims is simply false. It also makes the ‘apartheid’ arguments look ridiculous.
Your only evidence is this article “Israel trying to clear Palestinians from Gaza, claims UN agency head”. Well done on proving nothing. [Post edited 11 Apr 14:58]
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