| Humanity 08:45 - Nov 8 with 2739 views | Boundy |
Not my words but an interesting reminder that all societies can be capable of terrible deeds , even those who have been persecuted for centuries.
"Here's something the British government and it's Jewish community leaders would most likely wish forgotten — the killing of 784 British police officers, servicemen, Crown servants and civilian staff by Jewish terrorists in the Palestine Mandate crisis between 1944–48.
All par for the course. The British government’s attempt to “forget” the sacrifice of these servicemen and dump them down the memory hole is very reminiscent of another similarly embarrassing episode, the murderous Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967.
The British servicemen and police were a peacekeeping force serving in what was known as the British Palestine Mandate enclave just after the war. This Mandate was agreed as part of the Balfour Declaration and it was due to elapse in May, 1948.
It was a time of great tension. The Arabs were beginning to realize that the promises and assurances they had been given at Balfour counted for nothing and their homeland was being given away. The Jewish settlers were being reinforced by the illegal immigration of thousands of Jews from war-devastated Europe and reinforced by armaments from the Soviet Union and financial support from the USA.
Holding the line between them were young British servicemen and police, many of whom had come straight from the war in Europe and had taken part in the liberation of such camps as Bergen-Belsen, only to find themselves shot at and blown up by Jewish terrorists. Their deaths left a lasting bitterness among the veterans and their families.
The deaths included the hanging by piano wire of two 20-year-old British Army sergeants, Mervyn Paice and Clifford Martin, who in 1947 were kidnapped by Irgun and held hostage for three weeks.
Their bodies were left hanging in a eucalyptus grove and were booby trapped with land mines.
Also the 100 British Army personnel, Crown servants and civilians who were murdered by means of a huge bomb planted by the Irgun in the basement of the King David Hotel, Jerusalem in July 1946. Another 28 British soldiers died in the bombing of the Haifa Cairo train.
It is not widely known that the terrorism spread to Britain. Last weekend’s wreath-laying ceremony near Trafalgar Square took place at the site of the British Colonies Club, which was bombed by members of the Irgun terrorist group on 7th March 1947 when numerous people were injured and maimed.
In Britain, another victim was Rex Farran, brother of the intended target, Captain Roy Farran DSO, MC — an SAS anti-terrorism specialist. Rex opened a parcel bomb addressed to “R. Farran” at the Farran family home in Staffordshire. A total of 20 letter bombs were sent in mainland Britain.
Many attacks took place while the war was still going. These include the murder of Lord Moyne, Secretary of State for the Colonies, and his British Army driver, Corporal Fuller, on 6th November 1944 while British forces were still fighting in France. The hand-gun assassinations were carried out in Cairo by the Stern Gang.
It was the same terrorists, from the Irgun and Stern Gang, who collaborated on a massacre of at least 100 Arab civilian villagers at the village of Deir Yassin, on 10th April 1948.
As with the murder of the two young sergeants, the Deir Yassin operation was organised by Menachem Begin, later a prime minister of Israel. He also received a Nobel Peace Prize.
On May 19, 1947 the British government protested to the United States against American fund-raising drives for Palestine terrorist groups. The complaint referred to a “Letter to the Terrorists of Palestine” by playwright and screenwriter Ben Hecht, American League for a Free Palestine co-chairman, first published in the New York Post on May 15. The ad said, “We are out to raise millions for you.” This letter included the infamous phrase that every time British soldiers were shot or blown up “the Jews of America make a little holiday in their hearts.” During that period Hecht wrote under a pseudonym to avoid the British boycott of his work in effect until the early 1950s.
Hecht also wrote a Broadway play to raise money. In A Flag is Born, the role of a Holocaust survivor was played by Marlon Brando. The London Evening Standard called it “the most virulent anti-British play ever staged in the United States.” However, Jewish syndicated columnist Walter Winchell, whose column appeared in over 2000 newspapers worldwide, said it was “worth seeing, worth hearing, and worth remembering. … It will wring your heart and eyes dry. … Bring at least 11 handkerchiefs.”
The deaths of British servicemen and the murderous ingratitude of the Jewish community caused a huge shock in post-war Britain. It is not widely known that the two young sergeants affair led to the last widespread anti-Jewish riots in Britain. Shop windows were smashed across Britain but especially in Glasgow, Liverpool and Manchester.
Despite the anger among the British, up until 2001 there was no memorial and it was only after 60 years that the Ministry of Defence agreed that the conflict merited its own campaign medal.
Today Robert Misrahi is one of those peculiarly French creations — the popular TV philosopher. The Sorbonne-trained academic enjoys a reputation as a media figure and a professor of ethical philosophy. But back in 1947 he was part of the Irgun gang which planted the bomb in the Colonies Club. He has never even been questioned over his part in the bombing.
Another of the culprits responsible for the King David Hotel went onto to enjoy a long life in Britain and boasted freely about her exploits without fear of any legal impediment.
Miriam Abramoff lived openly in the London suburbs and was giving interviews about her infamous past as recently as 2012. She died in 2014 at the age of 88. She frequently returned to Israel and always took tea at the King David Hotel “It is so beautiful there now” she said.
Should Israel pay compensation to the victims of Zionist terrorism and their families, build a ‘Museum of Zionist Terrorism’ in Jerusalem and institute courses about Zionist terrorism in Israel’s schools as a warning to future generations? " |  |
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| Humanity on 09:58 - Nov 8 with 1656 views | max936 |
Not reading that Boundy [no disrespect] this country is depressing enough at the moment as it is  |  |
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| Humanity on 10:14 - Nov 8 with 1647 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
It would be helpful to know the source. |  |
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| Humanity on 10:15 - Nov 8 with 1642 views | onehunglow |
| Humanity on 09:58 - Nov 8 by max936 |
Not reading that Boundy [no disrespect] this country is depressing enough at the moment as it is |
This morning ,another enquiry into SAS killing active IRA scum ,whilst about to detonate a 400lb bomb seems on the way
This is where we are now
Persecuting those who have put their bodies on the line to stop US being killed
We deserve the very worst life can offer
As a society , we are beneath contempt | |
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| Humanity on 10:24 - Nov 8 with 1637 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Humanity on 10:15 - Nov 8 by onehunglow |
This morning ,another enquiry into SAS killing active IRA scum ,whilst about to detonate a 400lb bomb seems on the way
This is where we are now
Persecuting those who have put their bodies on the line to stop US being killed
We deserve the very worst life can offer
As a society , we are beneath contempt |
It's no coincidence, Labour have said in the past that they were unhappy with the conditional Immunity in the NI agreement. It's no surprise they are opening inquiries into the British Army, it's what they said they would do in the past. | |
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| Humanity on 10:55 - Nov 8 with 1614 views | onehunglow |
| Humanity on 10:24 - Nov 8 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's no coincidence, Labour have said in the past that they were unhappy with the conditional Immunity in the NI agreement. It's no surprise they are opening inquiries into the British Army, it's what they said they would do in the past. |
Feel for our lads really it’s grotesque | |
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| Humanity on 11:00 - Nov 8 with 1608 views | Boundy |
| Humanity on 10:14 - Nov 8 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It would be helpful to know the source. |
I copied it off Facebook, I'll try to pin down the original document but the facts are there. | |
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| Humanity on 11:08 - Nov 8 with 1598 views | onehunglow |
| Humanity on 11:00 - Nov 8 by Boundy |
I copied it off Facebook, I'll try to pin down the original document but the facts are there. |
Been discussing this thread with wifey sitting in garden watching leaves tumble down onto the grass
Dog is loving it all
However, my heart is rather troubled right now
I’ve seen much through the years
The exciting but self indulgent 60s , the lousy 70s , industrial strife of the 80s but as a nation we were proud
Not now
Things have changed
Our landscape is totally different in former proud industrial towns now cess pits
We have lost our way and our souls
I see nothing but a bad room rising ( Sorry John F) | |
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| Humanity on 11:08 - Nov 8 with 1600 views | Boundy |
| Humanity on 10:55 - Nov 8 by onehunglow |
Feel for our lads really it’s grotesque |
My contempt for Labour increases by the day .It's always the same ,sending others to do the work they wouldn't nor could do then bleat like sheep when there's political points to be scored. | |
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| Humanity on 11:10 - Nov 8 with 1596 views | onehunglow |
| Humanity on 11:08 - Nov 8 by Boundy |
My contempt for Labour increases by the day .It's always the same ,sending others to do the work they wouldn't nor could do then bleat like sheep when there's political points to be scored. |
It’s the very worst of betrayal
Any Labour voters on here defending this ,can’t see any
Labour has shat on them big time | |
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| Humanity on 11:38 - Nov 8 with 1586 views | union_jack |
| Humanity on 10:15 - Nov 8 by onehunglow |
This morning ,another enquiry into SAS killing active IRA scum ,whilst about to detonate a 400lb bomb seems on the way
This is where we are now
Persecuting those who have put their bodies on the line to stop US being killed
We deserve the very worst life can offer
As a society , we are beneath contempt |
The SAS got up to a lot of illegal activity in the early 70s. They had execution squads that would intercept Provisional IRA gunmen coming from the south, hand them over to another squad who would take them to a secluded spot and assassinate them. To me, as brutal as it was it is acceptable, morally at least.
However, Willie Whitelaw then ordered the SAS to stir up trouble by going into Catholic areas, killing randomly any individual male of fighting age and hoping it would be blamed on Loyalists. It has to be said that they did not want to do that but orders were orders. The problem is that if they’d been caught by the RUC, the government would have denied all involvement. Latterly, instead of aiming to kill, they shot these targets in the shoulders or legs so that they could incapacitate them rather than kill them.
Source: The Nemesis File by Paul Bruce |  |
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| Humanity on 11:59 - Nov 8 with 1571 views | Demitrius |
| Humanity on 11:00 - Nov 8 by Boundy |
I copied it off Facebook, I'll try to pin down the original document but the facts are there. |
A very dark few years in the history of Anglo-Jewish relations for sure with the murder of the two British Sergeants particularly shocking and grim (It was in retaliation for the British hanging 3 Irgun operatives)
They were an extremist cell and split from the Haganah whose policy was largely one of restraint.
They also killed a large number of Arabs and Jews as well as British personnel and civilians. Even Haganah killed about 250 - mostly Jews - themselves in the botched sabotage and sinking of the SS Patria.
You have to understand the circumstances in which led to this from 1920-1945 - it's as you would expect in Arab-Jewish relations complex and unsavoury. The British Government inflamed the situation with poor foreign policy decisions.
Worth reading up on it's all there on Wiki and Google.
Would love to discuss this more but the pub and Soccer Saturday are calling ! [Post edited 8 Nov 12:01]
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| Humanity on 12:18 - Nov 8 with 1555 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Humanity on 11:08 - Nov 8 by Boundy |
My contempt for Labour increases by the day .It's always the same ,sending others to do the work they wouldn't nor could do then bleat like sheep when there's political points to be scored. |
Here's the background, Labour claiming that we need to do this to be compliant with the ECHR.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9gp8g32v5o [Post edited 8 Nov 12:21]
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| Humanity on 13:16 - Nov 8 with 1510 views | onehunglow |
| Humanity on 11:38 - Nov 8 by union_jack |
The SAS got up to a lot of illegal activity in the early 70s. They had execution squads that would intercept Provisional IRA gunmen coming from the south, hand them over to another squad who would take them to a secluded spot and assassinate them. To me, as brutal as it was it is acceptable, morally at least.
However, Willie Whitelaw then ordered the SAS to stir up trouble by going into Catholic areas, killing randomly any individual male of fighting age and hoping it would be blamed on Loyalists. It has to be said that they did not want to do that but orders were orders. The problem is that if they’d been caught by the RUC, the government would have denied all involvement. Latterly, instead of aiming to kill, they shot these targets in the shoulders or legs so that they could incapacitate them rather than kill them.
Source: The Nemesis File by Paul Bruce |
And thank God they did as it saved innocent lives, our folks lives
This was war
It was essential and morally correct
War isn’t a game
IRA saw themselves as soldiers but basically just killing scum who had support from too many on the mainland
Second world war also saw similar execution squads
Try fighting the Japanese by the Geneva convention
Sadly, our cowards for politicians couldn’t or wouldn’t admit so
Frankly, that’s me done on this thread as Om getting angry
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| Humanity on 13:55 - Nov 8 with 1483 views | max936 |
When you got a PM who is clearly a career politician who was a Human Rights lawyer this was there to happen. | |
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| Humanity on 14:31 - Nov 8 with 1475 views | union_jack |
| Humanity on 13:16 - Nov 8 by onehunglow |
And thank God they did as it saved innocent lives, our folks lives
This was war
It was essential and morally correct
War isn’t a game
IRA saw themselves as soldiers but basically just killing scum who had support from too many on the mainland
Second world war also saw similar execution squads
Try fighting the Japanese by the Geneva convention
Sadly, our cowards for politicians couldn’t or wouldn’t admit so
Frankly, that’s me done on this thread as Om getting angry
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Unfortunately the IRA were fighting a war but our troops were there in a peacekeeping capacity so couldn’t or at least shouldn’t have played by the same rules. Don’t for one minute think that I don’t agree with you but possibly, the killing of ‘innocent’ people in the street to spark a reaction was a step too far. According to Bruce, it made them physically sick and gave them sleepless nights and nightmares. | |
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| Humanity on 14:39 - Nov 8 with 1469 views | onehunglow |
| Humanity on 14:31 - Nov 8 by union_jack |
Unfortunately the IRA were fighting a war but our troops were there in a peacekeeping capacity so couldn’t or at least shouldn’t have played by the same rules. Don’t for one minute think that I don’t agree with you but possibly, the killing of ‘innocent’ people in the street to spark a reaction was a step too far. According to Bruce, it made them physically sick and gave them sleepless nights and nightmares. |
Mate
In a war the innocent are often killed
Difference between the two sides is we didn’t target 20 year olds in Warrington high street
IRA had “ legitamate targets”
Just think about that phrase
Their henchmen however didn’t have the guts to admit they were Leaders | |
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| Humanity on 15:44 - Nov 8 with 1454 views | Luther27 |
| Humanity on 13:55 - Nov 8 by max936 |
When you got a PM who is clearly a career politician who was a Human Rights lawyer this was there to happen. |
Wherever our armed forces have been involved in conflict as sure as the sun rises in the morning the lawyers and legal system will be chasing the money to prosecute.
These wretches should be given a gun and shipped into a conflict to fight “legally” for the country that offers them a home. None will survive a day.
I can’t over emphasise how much I despise a system which is dragging our country into the gutter of despair. As the elderly WW11 veteran said the other day…was it worth it? No it wasn’t. That’s the saddest statement I think I have ever heard. | | | |
| Humanity on 16:49 - Nov 8 with 1423 views | onehunglow |
| Humanity on 15:44 - Nov 8 by Luther27 |
Wherever our armed forces have been involved in conflict as sure as the sun rises in the morning the lawyers and legal system will be chasing the money to prosecute.
These wretches should be given a gun and shipped into a conflict to fight “legally” for the country that offers them a home. None will survive a day.
I can’t over emphasise how much I despise a system which is dragging our country into the gutter of despair. As the elderly WW11 veteran said the other day…was it worth it? No it wasn’t. That’s the saddest statement I think I have ever heard. |
We’ve what all over those vets | |
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| Humanity on 18:47 - Nov 8 with 1374 views | max936 |
| Humanity on 15:44 - Nov 8 by Luther27 |
Wherever our armed forces have been involved in conflict as sure as the sun rises in the morning the lawyers and legal system will be chasing the money to prosecute.
These wretches should be given a gun and shipped into a conflict to fight “legally” for the country that offers them a home. None will survive a day.
I can’t over emphasise how much I despise a system which is dragging our country into the gutter of despair. As the elderly WW11 veteran said the other day…was it worth it? No it wasn’t. That’s the saddest statement I think I have ever heard. |
This 100% | |
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| Humanity on 20:18 - Nov 8 with 1345 views | Demitrius |
The one overriding thing I'd like any incoming Government to do is all but ban human rights lawyers from all processes or influence regarding immigration status in the machinations of our legislature...
You're here under sufferance.... you offend ? ....you're toast...simples...Cheerio!!
They, and the Home Office. work to the detriment of us all for financial & personal gain....
A thriving industry of national treason ...and that is not hyperbole but FACT. [Post edited 8 Nov 20:20]
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| Humanity on 20:40 - Nov 8 with 1321 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Humanity on 20:18 - Nov 8 by Demitrius |
The one overriding thing I'd like any incoming Government to do is all but ban human rights lawyers from all processes or influence regarding immigration status in the machinations of our legislature...
You're here under sufferance.... you offend ? ....you're toast...simples...Cheerio!!
They, and the Home Office. work to the detriment of us all for financial & personal gain....
A thriving industry of national treason ...and that is not hyperbole but FACT. [Post edited 8 Nov 20:20]
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Don’t need to ban lawyers, just change the law. But unless there’s any political will to do so nothing will change. |  |
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| Humanity on 10:37 - Nov 9 with 1214 views | max936 |
| Humanity on 20:18 - Nov 8 by Demitrius |
The one overriding thing I'd like any incoming Government to do is all but ban human rights lawyers from all processes or influence regarding immigration status in the machinations of our legislature...
You're here under sufferance.... you offend ? ....you're toast...simples...Cheerio!!
They, and the Home Office. work to the detriment of us all for financial & personal gain....
A thriving industry of national treason ...and that is not hyperbole but FACT. [Post edited 8 Nov 20:20]
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Great post. | |
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| Humanity on 11:29 - Nov 9 with 1194 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Humanity on 20:40 - Nov 8 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Don’t need to ban lawyers, just change the law. But unless there’s any political will to do so nothing will change. |
It would help not to have a PM who has spent his career manipulating Human Rights law designed to protect people from unsavoury states to protect unsavoury people. | |
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| Humanity on 14:20 - Nov 10 with 1068 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Humanity on 11:29 - Nov 9 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It would help not to have a PM who has spent his career manipulating Human Rights law designed to protect people from unsavoury states to protect unsavoury people. |
It would. But 30 years of gross incompetence at the heart of government has led to clowns like this walking in unopposed.
We all knew his past, knew he would be an unmitigated disaster. We knew he doesn’t have anywhere near the levels of intelligence, the political nous or the charisma to achieve anything but managed decline.
Then we look around the rest of the party and realise there’s literally nobody who can take his place. | |
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| Humanity on 14:32 - Nov 10 with 1060 views | Boundy |
| Humanity on 14:20 - Nov 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It would. But 30 years of gross incompetence at the heart of government has led to clowns like this walking in unopposed.
We all knew his past, knew he would be an unmitigated disaster. We knew he doesn’t have anywhere near the levels of intelligence, the political nous or the charisma to achieve anything but managed decline.
Then we look around the rest of the party and realise there’s literally nobody who can take his place. |
and the bigger worry is , which other party could step in right now. Reform leads the way but have they the nous within the ranks to take this country forward. | |
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