| Darren O'Dea 08:45 - Nov 10 with 3887 views | DoubeDoube |
Seems to have gone downhill since this bloke came here.. Seems to have a lot to say when see away games on tv. Sheehan had us going well before this guy came in. thoughts?
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| Darren O'Dea on 09:03 - Nov 10 with 2731 views | Whiterockin |
Have we scored from a set play [except a penalty] this season. If not as I suspect that is directly a result of coaching. |  | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 09:11 - Nov 10 with 2722 views | wwcigne |
Something has changed from the end of last season,even in pre season we were awful , Sheehan has regressed into Lukey and he doesn’t seem to have it in him to change and we’ve got worse
If the reason is O’Dea or Sheehan himself we don’t know but something has to be done about it
We can’t wait ,hoping it will change,it obviously won’t
Action is needed now |  | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 09:56 - Nov 10 with 2627 views | Whiterockin |
If O'Dea was sacked, would those who want Sheehan out be prepared to give him more time to sort things out? | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 10:20 - Nov 10 with 2559 views | jack247 |
| Darren O'Dea on 09:56 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
If O'Dea was sacked, would those who want Sheehan out be prepared to give him more time to sort things out? |
Personally no. If a manager can’t overrule his assistant, or can’t recognise a strategy doesn’t work and implement a new one, then I’m not sure he’s strong enough to be the manager.
Not sure that’s what’s happening, but the implication in a lot of the ‘O’Dea’ posts seems to be that he is running the show. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 10:28 - Nov 10 with 2528 views | Whiterockin |
| Darren O'Dea on 10:20 - Nov 10 by jack247 |
Personally no. If a manager can’t overrule his assistant, or can’t recognise a strategy doesn’t work and implement a new one, then I’m not sure he’s strong enough to be the manager.
Not sure that’s what’s happening, but the implication in a lot of the ‘O’Dea’ posts seems to be that he is running the show. |
At the back of my mind is the thought that Sheehan was reluctant to take the position of number one. Was this true and was the lack of ability to stamp his authority the reason. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 10:32 - Nov 10 with 2517 views | streetlyjack |
The dynamic has certainly changed this season and on the face of what we are witnessing not for the better. O'Dea has been employed to add value to a system that was pretty effective at the back end of last season, unfortunately its gone backwards which is not a good endorsement of his skill set or perhaps his compatability with the current coaches - did we do our homework on these things before making him an offer?
We have lost O'Brien and Darling but brought in more quality to the squad so no excuses whatsoever for going backwards.
A reserve team sunday league manager from the Dog & Duck could work out we are too slow in the build up, static off the ball, weak in the tackle and make things up as we go along in the last third. It might be too late for Sheehan and his coaching team now but they have been given the resources and failed to improve the team - pure and simple. | |
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| Darren O'Dea on 10:33 - Nov 10 with 2513 views | jack247 |
| Darren O'Dea on 10:28 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
At the back of my mind is the thought that Sheehan was reluctant to take the position of number one. Was this true and was the lack of ability to stamp his authority the reason. |
If that was the case, I’d be even less inclined to keep him on in regardless of what happens with O’Dea.
In his old role sure, but I doubt he’d accept a demotion and a new manager would want his own team. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 11:28 - Nov 10 with 2396 views | swan65split |
What concerns me is their little tet a tet on the line, with what looks like a DoD being a bit vocal, pointing here and there , and a very quiet AS
so considering that and i imagine a few of the clubs below us no doubt improving their form from here on in, and what is appearing a lack of movement within ours, to me this early things look bad, i also read somewhere there were fans really arguing after the game at the ground , a bit like a toxic forum! not good IMO . |  | | |
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| Darren O'Dea on 11:54 - Nov 10 with 2353 views | streetlyjack |
I can't see anything changing playing wise if Sheehan and co. do get a stay of execution. Admitting your set up and tactics are innefective after a full pre season and the first third of this season would damage their credibility with prospective new employers.
Dont expect any changes if this carries on for a few weeks more, its generally more acceptable to fail with your own system as a manager in football these days than it is to admit you got it wrong. The turnover of managers and churn of coaches is so high there will always be offers on the table even for those who have failed.
If I was interviewing Sheehan for a new job I would be asking some questions:
> You had pace in the team at Swansea, why didn't you use it?
> Why continue with the same system when you could see teams had worked you out?
> Did you have a strength and conditioning coach, were there any weights in your gym?
> What players did you improve during your time at SCFC?
> Did you have a set piece coach, did they have any experience of football?
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| Darren O'Dea on 13:15 - Nov 10 with 2227 views | Demitrius |
I think Fotheringham was a bigger loss than many of us realised at the time.
Maybe O'Dea's in game management style isn't getting the best out of this crop of players? He's only ever coached Scottish and Irish B team and youth players who are probably used to being barked at from the sidelines having come through the system since they first joined a football team. With our international squad maybe that traditional approach is alien to many of them and they had a better rapport with MF who has coached teams similar to ours ?
Just a theory of course, but something's not right during games where we start off okay then fade only rallying when we concede.
Also, we now have 4 first team coaches who all only ever played the game as defenders.
Make of that what you will... |  |
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| Darren O'Dea on 13:29 - Nov 10 with 2184 views | Whiterockin |
| Darren O'Dea on 13:15 - Nov 10 by Demitrius |
I think Fotheringham was a bigger loss than many of us realised at the time.
Maybe O'Dea's in game management style isn't getting the best out of this crop of players? He's only ever coached Scottish and Irish B team and youth players who are probably used to being barked at from the sidelines having come through the system since they first joined a football team. With our international squad maybe that traditional approach is alien to many of them and they had a better rapport with MF who has coached teams similar to ours ?
Just a theory of course, but something's not right during games where we start off okay then fade only rallying when we concede.
Also, we now have 4 first team coaches who all only ever played the game as defenders.
Make of that what you will... |
Strange how we can't defend though. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:06 - Nov 10 with 2085 views | Boundy |
| Darren O'Dea on 13:29 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
Strange how we can't defend though. |
Like the squad, too many voices/choices? | |
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| Darren O'Dea on 14:09 - Nov 10 with 2097 views | sw02sea |
| Darren O'Dea on 09:11 - Nov 10 by wwcigne |
Something has changed from the end of last season,even in pre season we were awful , Sheehan has regressed into Lukey and he doesn’t seem to have it in him to change and we’ve got worse
If the reason is O’Dea or Sheehan himself we don’t know but something has to be done about it
We can’t wait ,hoping it will change,it obviously won’t
Action is needed now |
Iff Alan Sheehan receives his P45, we could be in for another interim manager situation.
Unless the owners have a contingency plan, would O’Dea come into their thinking, or would there be a clear out of all Sheehan’s assistants ?
I know this is pure conjecture, but if it’s thought that O’Dea could be part of the reason for the downfall in performances, that would be a nonstarter surely? | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:11 - Nov 10 with 2084 views | Whiterockin |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:06 - Nov 10 by Boundy |
Like the squad, too many voices/choices? |
Burgess bollocking the players for not defending properly and then scoring two own goals summed up Saturday for me. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:16 - Nov 10 with 2067 views | builthjack |
Yet the head of recruitment was previously working for a betting company on live odds.
Now he is spending millions of Swansea money recruiting players.
Dear me. |  |
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| Darren O'Dea on 14:19 - Nov 10 with 2057 views | Whiterockin |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:09 - Nov 10 by sw02sea |
Iff Alan Sheehan receives his P45, we could be in for another interim manager situation.
Unless the owners have a contingency plan, would O’Dea come into their thinking, or would there be a clear out of all Sheehan’s assistants ?
I know this is pure conjecture, but if it’s thought that O’Dea could be part of the reason for the downfall in performances, that would be a nonstarter surely? |
If nothing is done by the time we play Derby on the Tuesday evening of the 25th the actual prople in the ground will be under 12,000. If they put O'Dea in temporary charge it will be under 10,000. Supporters have had enough. It will be a stay home and watch it on TV night, at least you can turn it off. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:21 - Nov 10 with 2043 views | Whiterockin |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:16 - Nov 10 by builthjack |
Yet the head of recruitment was previously working for a betting company on live odds.
Now he is spending millions of Swansea money recruiting players.
Dear me. |
And probably recruiting coaching staff. God knows what we will end up with. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:22 - Nov 10 with 2041 views | vetchonian |
| Darren O'Dea on 13:29 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
Strange how we can't defend though. |
similar under anither ex manager who played as a defender.... | |
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| Darren O'Dea on 15:00 - Nov 10 with 1990 views | Alf6 |
I think it is time that Alan stopped all the changes. Determine his best side and pick it to start EVERY game. Really get to know each others game and how to perform as a team. Forward players must be encouraged to shoot. Never mind pretty goals, or passing the buck (ball). Put it where it counts, in the net | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 15:39 - Nov 10 with 1908 views | swan65split |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:19 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
If nothing is done by the time we play Derby on the Tuesday evening of the 25th the actual prople in the ground will be under 12,000. If they put O'Dea in temporary charge it will be under 10,000. Supporters have had enough. It will be a stay home and watch it on TV night, at least you can turn it off. |
ATM it looks like they are doing nowt, perhaps giving it another cple of games , but with some of the squad away, i cant see much improvement in how we play tactics etc happening, so chances are its not going to go well, the data peeps will tell you tha i suppose..... 
In my case ive already had enough, i may be taking a leave of absence, my meds and condition dont allow for stress, blood pressure explosion, so the club will reap what it sows from now on. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 15:49 - Nov 10 with 1887 views | jack247 |
| Darren O'Dea on 15:00 - Nov 10 by Alf6 |
I think it is time that Alan stopped all the changes. Determine his best side and pick it to start EVERY game. Really get to know each others game and how to perform as a team. Forward players must be encouraged to shoot. Never mind pretty goals, or passing the buck (ball). Put it where it counts, in the net |
It’s not that we aren’t trying to score, we just don’t seem to have a game plan for either getting forward quickly in numbers or breaking down a packed defence (which were invariably up against as we give opponents time to get back).
Whether we’re blaming Sheehan, O’Dea or anyone else, there doesn’t seem to be to be a strategy in the final third, apart from ‘don’t lose the ball’ which often results in us passing backwards and having our defence high up the pitch, but having ten men to play through. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 16:05 - Nov 10 with 1854 views | JJBomber |
| Darren O'Dea on 09:03 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
Have we scored from a set play [except a penalty] this season. If not as I suspect that is directly a result of coaching. |
No we haven't, and we're the only team in the Championship who have failed to do so. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 16:19 - Nov 10 with 1828 views | wwcigne |
| Darren O'Dea on 15:00 - Nov 10 by Alf6 |
I think it is time that Alan stopped all the changes. Determine his best side and pick it to start EVERY game. Really get to know each others game and how to perform as a team. Forward players must be encouraged to shoot. Never mind pretty goals, or passing the buck (ball). Put it where it counts, in the net |
I don’t think it matters anymore if he plays the best team more often because it’s the tactics that they are being asked to play that’s the problem and that’s down to Sheehan and the coaches if he is taking their advice because they look badly out of their depth
Nothing is going to change with these blokes picking the team and dictating how we play,
what’s needed is a new manager and coaches with more ideas and tactical awareness to get the team playing the way they are capable of
Stick with this bunch and it’s going to be a disaster | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 16:21 - Nov 10 with 1822 views | Whiterockin |
| Darren O'Dea on 16:05 - Nov 10 by JJBomber |
No we haven't, and we're the only team in the Championship who have failed to do so. |
Thanks I thought so. Poor coaching, bad luck or poor player acquisition. Surely there should be data on who is a decent striker of a dead ball. | | | |
| Darren O'Dea on 21:29 - Nov 10 with 1588 views | max936 |
| Darren O'Dea on 14:11 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
Burgess bollocking the players for not defending properly and then scoring two own goals summed up Saturday for me. |
Can't blame him for the two goals mun he knew little about either, he at least tried to defend those shots. |  |
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