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Hopefully having won game three (away from home with a one day less ‘turnaround than Leicester, who were at home twice) we can finally debunk the nonsense theory about being somehow disadvantaged more than any other Championship club. All the theories can be binned. Have Charlton more resources than we have? QPR 0 Middllesborough 4. Middlesbrough 0 Charlton 1. Not exactly a local derby for Charlton either. It is either (or both) self-prophesying psychological rubbish or a complete lack of effort by the players. So please no more defeatism simply because eleven fit young men have to run around a bit three times in eight days
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 14:59 - Mar 17 with 4030 views
Don’t think it’s anything to do with a three game week . We’ve just been a bit shite for years. Sure we would do a bit better if we had most of our squad was fit . Sadly they’re not .
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 19:16 - Mar 17 with 3616 views
Just because we win a game against a really poor and demotivated side that we could easily have been more than 1-0 down to, doesn't mean to say that there is no disadvantage to having b-t-b away games and having a day less rest. London to Birmingham to London to Leicester isn't great but it's not as bad as London to Blackburn to London to Norwich.
If you watched the game our players were really leggy later on. The mental fatigue was alleviated by being in control of the game and having a two goal lead.
It could have been a different ending if Varane's carelessness had been punished.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 20:48 - Mar 17 with 3473 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 20:30 - Mar 17 by francisbowles
Myke
Just because we win a game against a really poor and demotivated side that we could easily have been more than 1-0 down to, doesn't mean to say that there is no disadvantage to having b-t-b away games and having a day less rest. London to Birmingham to London to Leicester isn't great but it's not as bad as London to Blackburn to London to Norwich.
If you watched the game our players were really leggy later on. The mental fatigue was alleviated by being in control of the game and having a two goal lead.
It could have been a different ending if Varane's carelessness had been punished.
And Swansea on a Wednesday and back to London and then straight up to Derby and another poor away display.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 21:33 - Mar 17 with 3430 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 20:30 - Mar 17 by francisbowles
Myke
Just because we win a game against a really poor and demotivated side that we could easily have been more than 1-0 down to, doesn't mean to say that there is no disadvantage to having b-t-b away games and having a day less rest. London to Birmingham to London to Leicester isn't great but it's not as bad as London to Blackburn to London to Norwich.
If you watched the game our players were really leggy later on. The mental fatigue was alleviated by being in control of the game and having a two goal lead.
It could have been a different ending if Varane's carelessness had been punished.
Sorry FB, not having it. Explain Charlton going to Middlesbrough and WINNING mid-week then travelling to Oxford and drawing. After all, we all know how incredibly valuable and hard-earned a draw at Oxford is
Disagree with you. It does make a difference across a season. The stats show that teams in general get fewer points so it’s a disadvantage to have that pattern more often in a season. One game does not prove anything. If we’d lost that you wouldn’t have taken that as proof you would have just said they weren’t good enough/weren’t resilient enough etc. etc.
As FB said our players were really struggling in the last ten minutes.
As for Charlton well the last three game week they had went A draw, A draw, H loss so there isn’t a pattern of them beating the odds. Plus you’d expect they might have beaten Oxford away if they’d not been knackered. Everyone expected us to.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 22:16 - Mar 17 with 3339 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 21:55 - Mar 17 by nix
Disagree with you. It does make a difference across a season. The stats show that teams in general get fewer points so it’s a disadvantage to have that pattern more often in a season. One game does not prove anything. If we’d lost that you wouldn’t have taken that as proof you would have just said they weren’t good enough/weren’t resilient enough etc. etc.
As FB said our players were really struggling in the last ten minutes.
As for Charlton well the last three game week they had went A draw, A draw, H loss so there isn’t a pattern of them beating the odds. Plus you’d expect they might have beaten Oxford away if they’d not been knackered. Everyone expected us to.
Stephan clearly didn’t, which is why he played for a draw. Sorry Nix, nothing will convince me that 11 fit young men (plus FIVE subs), cannot be competitive for 270 minutes over 8 days. Obviously winning them all is not going to happen, but white flags waved at Birmingham, Middlesbrough, Sheffield United and Southampton is never acceptable in my book. Nobody will convince me they were giving their all in those four examples, and there were many more across the season.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 00:56 - Mar 18 with 3226 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 22:16 - Mar 17 by Myke
Stephan clearly didn’t, which is why he played for a draw. Sorry Nix, nothing will convince me that 11 fit young men (plus FIVE subs), cannot be competitive for 270 minutes over 8 days. Obviously winning them all is not going to happen, but white flags waved at Birmingham, Middlesbrough, Sheffield United and Southampton is never acceptable in my book. Nobody will convince me they were giving their all in those four examples, and there were many more across the season.
Well that’s fine Myke and of course you’re entitled to think that. But it doesn’t make you right, what you’re talking about is not proven by the stats not just for QPR (someone on here posted the difference it makes). I agree the I don’t think we’ve been competitive as often as we should’ve been this season. I don’t think all of our players have given their all all season. But two things can be true at once.
So I also think if you’ve had one day or max two days to prepare for a match and pretty much no time on the training pitch it’s going to affect your performance. Even more so if that happens twice in a week. That’s what happens if you are travelling from Hull to Southampton and then back to London. Or Home match then Blackburn then Norwich. People were surprised at our lacklustre performance at Norwich but I’m not.
It’s not just the playing, it’s the playing + travelling + lack of time to prepare for games. Anyway we can agree to disagree but if I’m Nourry I’m putting the case that we shouldn’t be penalised three seasons in a row with these two away games in a row in three match weeks more often than many other teams because of the proven affect on points gained.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 02:24 - Mar 18 with 3189 views
One thing i would say with regards too much travel in a week.
i go to a local gym near me and they very often get clubs league one and below staying there. Even at National League level, the state of the superb air conditioned coaches is unbelievable with maximum space and comfort.
Premium Business Class. At the very least. They are beyond plush.
They not travelling in a coach driven by drunken Syd in the jolly boys outing to Margate a la Only Fools. They are soundproofed as well. Its not tiring at all, travelling in such a way.
Anyhow video of Sheffield United's team bus as proof.
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 02:24 - Mar 18 by numptydumpty
One thing i would say with regards too much travel in a week.
i go to a local gym near me and they very often get clubs league one and below staying there. Even at National League level, the state of the superb air conditioned coaches is unbelievable with maximum space and comfort.
Premium Business Class. At the very least. They are beyond plush.
They not travelling in a coach driven by drunken Syd in the jolly boys outing to Margate a la Only Fools. They are soundproofed as well. Its not tiring at all, travelling in such a way.
Anyhow video of Sheffield United's team bus as proof.
[Post edited 18 Mar 2:50]
‘They shouldn’t be knackered because they have comfy seats on a bus’ is a new one. Fair play.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 08:30 - Mar 18 with 3053 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 02:24 - Mar 18 by numptydumpty
One thing i would say with regards too much travel in a week.
i go to a local gym near me and they very often get clubs league one and below staying there. Even at National League level, the state of the superb air conditioned coaches is unbelievable with maximum space and comfort.
Premium Business Class. At the very least. They are beyond plush.
They not travelling in a coach driven by drunken Syd in the jolly boys outing to Margate a la Only Fools. They are soundproofed as well. Its not tiring at all, travelling in such a way.
Anyhow video of Sheffield United's team bus as proof.
[Post edited 18 Mar 2:50]
How can you compensate for lack of sleep because you don’t get home from Swansea and Blackburn until the early hours of Thursday morning,and then have to leave on Friday lunchtime to travel up to Derby and Norwich?and that’s without having any time to train and prepare drills for the upcoming games,while both opponents were given an extra day to rest and prepare after having home games a day before our own games.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 08:35 - Mar 18 with 3033 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 08:30 - Mar 18 by stowmarketrange
How can you compensate for lack of sleep because you don’t get home from Swansea and Blackburn until the early hours of Thursday morning,and then have to leave on Friday lunchtime to travel up to Derby and Norwich?and that’s without having any time to train and prepare drills for the upcoming games,while both opponents were given an extra day to rest and prepare after having home games a day before our own games.
They could sleep on these busses ie extremely comfortable. Lights dimmed. Reclining seats etc.
Wasnt saying its right but every team has the three game week. The clubs you complaining about would have similar three game travel weeks otherwise in the season. The premier league clubs played in Europe during the week, appreciate on planes. But they have to travel to and from airports.
Not just us weirdly. There is no outright conspiracy against QPR alone...
Crikey. ....
Was just making the point its not like travelling in the 1970s. Much more comfortable to relax.
There's such emphasis on these 3 game weeks I'm not sure I even know what one is anymore.
The one we've just finished had us kick off at 4.30 on Sunday, 7.45 on a Wednesday, and 3pm on a Sunday. That to me barely counts as a 3 game week, by 90 mins. If the Leicester game had kicked off at 3pm too that would have been a 2 game week Shirley?
If I start work next Monday at 9, and the Monday after at 8.45, am I working a 6 day week?
At a loss, I decided to burn down the planet by asking AI, and she says we've had five 3 game weeks, which is within range of every other team (4-6). If the AI sex-borg is correct that just takes up back to what we are fcuking up more than other clubs, which we're all painfully aware of.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:06 - Mar 18 with 2978 views
Agree with the OP that it isn’t about what we think on boards like this , it’s the head coach and players talking about it whenever they get a chance . It’s a mentality .
They can now throw it in the bin . Mentality is one of the ongoing issues at this football club in its players and staff. Marti came in and actually addressed it early in his tenure , but even he succumbed to it a bit .
Leicester were guff. But we won pretty comfortably. All those staff and no one who succeeds in a bit of positive mental attitude . Or maybe they did on Saturday ?
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:09 - Mar 18 with 2962 views
I think it’s a self imposed issue that’s fairly easy to fix if we wanted to:
1) acknowledge it’s an issue where improvements could be made 2) spend some planning time and some money to fix it
We could always limit travel and simply stay for 2/3 nights in places between the away games that have facilities to train.
No different to what many people do in normal jobs that require extensive travel, you just optimise your time on the road vs time when you prepare.
Even some of us lowly fans do it between games where it makes sense. OK, the prep could be different but the concept is the same - why schlep 100s of unnecessary miles at weird times of the day and feck up sleep and recovery time.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:45 - Mar 18 with 2920 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 21:38 - Mar 17 by Myke
Sorry FB, not having it. Explain Charlton going to Middlesbrough and WINNING mid-week then travelling to Oxford and drawing. After all, we all know how incredibly valuable and hard-earned a draw at Oxford is
Myke you haven't addressed the points I raised but I will attempt to address yours.
Charlton on a decent run of form, last eight prior to Middlesbrough W3 D3 L2, go there after 72hours+ 'rest' and win. They then travel back to London, arriving probably around 3am. They may have a massage or ice bath before leaving for their homes, so probably around 5am before they get to bed.
The rest of Thursday at home and then on Friday train and relatively short coach journey to Oxford on what is usually a very busy Friday afternoon. On the following day against a poor side they managed a draw.
After narrow wins against Birmingham and Middlesbrough, to finish the week with a draw at Oxford, could be construed as a drop off in form.
Middlesbrough's recent home form last four D3 (Oxford, Leicester and Bristol) L1 (Charlton).
Btw looking at Charlton's last nine games, they haven't scored more than one goal in any of them. This would tend to suggest they are playing in a similar practical method,albeit relatively successfully, as we attempted with those dreary 0-0 draws that we were all so disappointed with. The last time they managed two was on the 31st January at Leicester who played for 75 mins with ten men.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:52 - Mar 18 with 2903 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 08:53 - Mar 18 by BklynRanger
There's such emphasis on these 3 game weeks I'm not sure I even know what one is anymore.
The one we've just finished had us kick off at 4.30 on Sunday, 7.45 on a Wednesday, and 3pm on a Sunday. That to me barely counts as a 3 game week, by 90 mins. If the Leicester game had kicked off at 3pm too that would have been a 2 game week Shirley?
If I start work next Monday at 9, and the Monday after at 8.45, am I working a 6 day week?
At a loss, I decided to burn down the planet by asking AI, and she says we've had five 3 game weeks, which is within range of every other team (4-6). If the AI sex-borg is correct that just takes up back to what we are fcuking up more than other clubs, which we're all painfully aware of.
That's just semantics Brooklyn.
I have posted before that if you take a week as seven twenty four hour periods, then one Saturday finishing at 5pm, then a midweek game, and the following Saturday kicking off at 3pm, then that is approximately two hours less than a week.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:57 - Mar 18 with 2891 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:09 - Mar 18 by Rsole
I think it’s a self imposed issue that’s fairly easy to fix if we wanted to:
1) acknowledge it’s an issue where improvements could be made 2) spend some planning time and some money to fix it
We could always limit travel and simply stay for 2/3 nights in places between the away games that have facilities to train.
No different to what many people do in normal jobs that require extensive travel, you just optimise your time on the road vs time when you prepare.
Even some of us lowly fans do it between games where it makes sense. OK, the prep could be different but the concept is the same - why schlep 100s of unnecessary miles at weird times of the day and feck up sleep and recovery time.
I have thought that as well but players have lives and families at home. What would they do with a day off in a remote hotel after the midweek match? They might get bored and cause issues.
Then there is the huge increase in accomodation costs for the clubs.
We also don't know the details of players contracts, which could possibly make this impossible.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 10:03 - Mar 18 with 2883 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:06 - Mar 18 by mart_Goblin
Agree with the OP that it isn’t about what we think on boards like this , it’s the head coach and players talking about it whenever they get a chance . It’s a mentality .
They can now throw it in the bin . Mentality is one of the ongoing issues at this football club in its players and staff. Marti came in and actually addressed it early in his tenure , but even he succumbed to it a bit .
Leicester were guff. But we won pretty comfortably. All those staff and no one who succeeds in a bit of positive mental attitude . Or maybe they did on Saturday ?
'Leicester were guff. But we won pretty comfortably'
Mart, I think you are overlooking the huge amount of luck and opposition mistakes that went our way on Saturday. The Leicester pundits were saying we were gifted all the goals.
As Clive pointed out and I posted above, Varane's late error if punished could have seen a very nervy ending.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 10:14 - Mar 18 with 2861 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 08:35 - Mar 18 by numptydumpty
They could sleep on these busses ie extremely comfortable. Lights dimmed. Reclining seats etc.
Wasnt saying its right but every team has the three game week. The clubs you complaining about would have similar three game travel weeks otherwise in the season. The premier league clubs played in Europe during the week, appreciate on planes. But they have to travel to and from airports.
Not just us weirdly. There is no outright conspiracy against QPR alone...
Crikey. ....
Was just making the point its not like travelling in the 1970s. Much more comfortable to relax.
That was all.
[Post edited 18 Mar 8:57]
Unfortunately some teams have more 3 game weeks that involve 2 consecutive away games than others.Us and Bristol city have 6 such weeks this season whereas Watford and Leicester have only 3. Some teams have perfect 3 game weeks,like H,A and home again,or A,H and away for the last. Obviously a team in the midlands will cover less distance than a team like Southampton or Middlesbrough,but the tough 3 game weeks should be more evenly spread over the 24 teams than it currently is. I don’t think that there is a perfect answer though.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 10:37 - Mar 18 with 2836 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 09:52 - Mar 18 by francisbowles
That's just semantics Brooklyn.
I have posted before that if you take a week as seven twenty four hour periods, then one Saturday finishing at 5pm, then a midweek game, and the following Saturday kicking off at 3pm, then that is approximately two hours less than a week.
Right. Exactly.
Holloway used to talk about Saturday Tuesday Saturday Tuesday Saturday Tuesday.
That to me is more accurate and more respectful of the reality of our dear Gregorian calendar.
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Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 11:09 - Mar 18 with 2770 views
Three game week nonsense debunked for good on 10:14 - Mar 18 by stowmarketrange
Unfortunately some teams have more 3 game weeks that involve 2 consecutive away games than others.Us and Bristol city have 6 such weeks this season whereas Watford and Leicester have only 3. Some teams have perfect 3 game weeks,like H,A and home again,or A,H and away for the last. Obviously a team in the midlands will cover less distance than a team like Southampton or Middlesbrough,but the tough 3 game weeks should be more evenly spread over the 24 teams than it currently is. I don’t think that there is a perfect answer though.
And probably next season, we will be one of the beneficiaries of the fixture list.
The make up of the season is not done deliberately against any one club, even if this season it appears so. As said, premier league clubs go into Europe mid week.
Obviously also the journeys for Plymouth on any given three game week, the journeys will always be more than nearly all the rest, at all times.
The players are on thousands of pounds a week. Sure the odd bit of luxury travel will not cause them too much pain.....
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