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Back on Qs, I can't attend being based abroad, but here is a possible question for a brave attending soul:
Most leagues are now around 7 or 8 games into the season (including cups). Of our 9 or so players on loan to other clubs, only 3 seem to have featured for at least half the minutes they were available for their new clubs (with one of those three now apparently frozen out their new team). Some have barely featured at all. What measures does the club take to ensure loans for players are successful and the players get the playing time they need to boost their development?
On the face of it the club did well to get the various players out on loan, but a few weeks down the line one begins to wonder at what "cost".
Up the food chain at least, it seems normal for loans to have appearance requirements or penalties for not playing. The fairly low level of appearances raises questions as to whether our loaned out players do.
Of course cases and motivations for loans can differ, so in some cases (e.g. Larkeche) maybe it really is just a route to an exit door. But in others it seems clearly about getting them playing time. Bennie has done quite well so far on playing time, but Morgan and Pearman are two who surely stand out as being loaned out to get experience and so far Morgan at least probably would have got as many minutes if he'd stayed with us.
Whether our loans have appearance requirements could be an interesting question to ask at the Wednesday club meet....
Charlton were a horrible watch - prime Pulis with the two main tactics being big b****s on set pieces and a fast guy on the counter. Almost worked mind you. Bit surprised as I don't remember a Nathan Jones team setting up quite like that before.
Agree with all the comments that we need to work on movement in the box. At the moment we have a contradiction in our play which showed properly yesterday but is only likely to become more apparent if we don't fix it. We only win with low possession and quick press to catch the oppo out. At the same time, with Charles as our creative sweeper keeper, we're likely to have more possession and game control.
Good start to the season tho and Stephan's post match comments on needing time on the training ground I find encouraging with the international break coming up.
Vale is a bit like a poor man's Iniesta for me (and I'm not just talking about the hair battles!). Good vision, good technique, even not bad in the tackle. But lacking the speed or turn of pace for a true AM, and not physically imposing enough for a CM.
Potential is no doubt there.... to fulfil it there probably either needs to be a system around him which covers what he lacks, or we need to work a way of boosting one of the characteristics he's low on. Given pace can't be learnt, if we try the latter, my guess is that he is probably closest to being a no 8/10.
I get the develop and loan to sell model, but it risks falling apart in this case on two counts: 1. we're unlikely to make much if anything selling a keeper to a L1 club. 2. we've got to get a real upgrade on a perm (and preferable a fairly young one) for it to make sense. Time will tell on the latter in particular, but signs at this stage are not great. Vibe I'm getting is that Tickle was plan A (who we probably can all agree would have been an upgrade with development potential) but with him gone to Bristol it's going a bit scattergun, to the point there's talk about loaning and developing someone else's keeper.
Maybe Cooper is not deemed good enough by the club. But three L1 clubs showing interest after some pretty good loan reviews suggests he can't be too far off.
Am I alone in wondering what the hell is going on with Cooper?
24 years old, same age as Walsh and young for a keeper. Around 80 appearances in the Championship, L1 and L2. Consecutive loans with good reviews from those loans and each loan a step up. Isn't this the fabled development path for players, so that then integrate them in the team? And yet it seems we're about to offload him, I'm guessing permanently, having made the decision this week about 18 months too late to finally give Walsh a loan. As a result rumours are flying on us enquiring about a wide range of keepers from all over the place of varying ages, some permanent, some loan. Is there something wrong with Cooper we don't know about? (I'm not buying the "short" thing BTW, I think Cooper is 6'1, when Nardi was only 6'2 and you have keepers at top levels like Raya who are only 6'). I would have thought the natural move is to have Cooper competing as one of two potential starting keepers this season (maybe alongside another freebee) and focus our limited budget on sorting out other stuff like CM and a spare CB. But apparently it isn't.
The GK thing has been horrifically handled over the last 18 months.
Forgot how good to listen to Marti was. Think only Warnock and Warbs among our recent managers were better "listens".
On one hand grim to hear there was no direct conversations with West Brom. On the other hand, I agree with the thinking he's an ambitious guy who had always tended to move clubs after 2 seasons, so even if he had stayed and started last season at QPR it seems unlikely he'd have finished the season too.
Bang on. 15th itself is not bad, but having spent all that money and not really made a big sale (Kelman aside) it's can't really be progress.
Off the pitch stuff in the next few months will be the final chance for progress of sorts over the year, and the signs here are mixed IMO. Simply, we need a sale. My gut says Madsen probably has to be the one - at 26, surely this has to be the time to sell him... peak value is likely to be around now. The other most sellable assets are probably Kone, Burrell and Kolli. In parallel we are getting a somewhat backlogged with "development" signings which have not worked out and probably are now past development age (if it hasn't happened by 23/24, probably it wont).... Saito (sadly) unless he refinds his mojo, Celar, Hevertton, possibly Dembele and Adamson.
Spending other people's money is the easy part... getting it back in profitable sales on the other hand....
Pretexted by I didn't see the whole game yesterday due to family, but those two goals look Taarabt-esque.
First one, passing a ball into the goal like that so calmly from range is only something I think I've seen Taarabt do (vs West Ham?). Second, still can't work out if he meant the first touch or not (!) but again echos of the great man (but with quite some way to go).
He has a hell of a finish, but nonetheless I'm not yet sure he's a full striker based on overall game... more towards a no 10 of wide forward. Wondering how a three behind the striker of Kolli, Chair and Poku could look next season... gut says they could be pretty complementary and dangerous. Hope one way or another he becomes regular next season as agree the time has passed for a loan, and he's the biggest prospect out of the dev squad since Eze.
Great preview, spot on, and kudos for getting it out so quickly in the current environment. Cannot have been easy.
Indeed success has many fathers but failure is an orphan... but here it runs deep and the deeper one goes, the more I personally feel like the we might be finding the orphan's main father.
Agree some of the signings looked good at the time (and even if they haven't worked out yet like Poku they are understandable risk-reward). But at the same time, there have been signings which seem poor, whether arguably gratuitous (Saito - called it at the time, like the guy and rated him off last season but not a priority position to spend 2-3m on... Edwards has also been flagged as gratuitous), Obikwu (how can you sign a replacement which is injured?), or very likely not up to standard (choose from your southern hemisphere signings).
Importantly the whole model has fallen down this season because either players are injured, or they are not improving. Apart from Madsen, no one is looking better than they did last season (notably Morgan, Morrison and Kolli); as someone raised elsewhere, dev squad results have not been great; and it's not like we have young players out on loan getting great experience, beyond Cooper.
Against that background I think we're in a tough spot.. we've spent a lot of money and it's tough to find a player we'd manage to sell for more than we paid for them. The buy to sell model relies on fast rotation... and that cannot support seasons like we've just had.
Morning after reflection - I reckon Nourry's a goner by season end.
His "model" is well and truly broken. While the acquisition part of it was so so, players are now either getting worse (not just in first team but also dev team judging by results) and/or not playing cos they're injured . So we're basically stuck with a lot of players losing value and no money to spend. I'd say it's just as likely Nourry walks away this summer as he's fired. I mean, is he really going to want to oversee another season but with no money to spend this time, trying to find another head coach when probably no-one wants to come to our basket case setup? Even if he finds some money down the back of the sofa, I'd be surprised if any good young players look at us after this season and say "yes, that's where I advance my career".
That's the good news part. Now for the bad news part.... I think we're in serious trouble. Would not be surprised if there is a fire sale of sorts end of season, Nourry's whole idea seemed to be based on big sales... not seeing any big player sales this summer based on injuries and performances, hence possible fire sales, led probably by Field. Then we've got to find another CEO and DoF, and our board's track record of decision making is pretty horrific. Given they tend to lack imagination / go for whatever's been dangled in front of them, I would not be surprised if they tapped up Warburton for DOF on the basis he's been as good as it gets under them. Beyond that god knows what they'd think is a good idea.
Top point on dev squad results. Has gone largely under the radar but they've not had a great season, and if success is seen as developing young players then dev squad results are surely key to judging that success.
While I agree with your logic for what should happen next, based on what's happened so far I fear a bit. Hiring CN already felt like the board saying "we've tried everything, we're basically out of ideas so let's go for a bit of a hail mary"; so what happens when this hail mary idea fails too? The owners are distant but have been benevolent; god knows where we end up if they get tired of being benevolent. That combined with the ability to consistently make impatient, bad decisions (I'd say we've had 2.5 good managers over the last 15 years... Warnock obviously, Warburton arguably, and Cifuentes the 0.5.... in each case there has been progress followed by impatience things are not moving fast enough leading to them being fired and taking us backwards, often with massive misadventures on the way.
Grim times. Now, where are we going to get 6 more points from this season?
West London Sport post match interview - that guy does not look happy.
Hearing that it does feel like he might leave end of season.
In terms of performance, I think he's done ok but Cifuentes did slightly better IMO as not only did he have worse options at his disposal but also some players emerged or played better under Cifuentes. Madsen's the clear exception, but we saw the emergence of Morgan, a different Saito, a world beating Edwards and some proper Varane performances under Marti.
Neither Stefan or Cifuentes are top managers but I tend to agree that the manager is not the main problem at the club (how can he be with an injury list like that for the second season running?)
Agree on the pitch this season begins to look done. And if it's not, just as likely we get pulled close to the bottom 3 than we float towards the top 6.
But off the pitch I think there are some important months coming up, which will decide whether or not the general direction of travel is working. We've spent a lot of money over the last 18 months (last 6 in particular), and there's a good chance we end up with exactly the same result as the two season before - 15th to 18th in the table and out in the 1st and 3rd rounds of the cup. The test then is if the sell upwards model working? To prove it probably needs us to sell about 3 players at a fair to good profit - my guess would be Varane, Madsen and probably Kolli (now Dembele has an ACL injury so no-one will take him). If we can't do that, one may begin to wonder what the last two years have been about.
Interesting, but long, interview with him, a good peek behind the curtain of the football world.
Few interesting bits on his time with QPR. Seemed to really rate Holloway, tells some funny stories about him, at the end in particular. Apparently QPR was the peak of his earnings as well, he was on 1m per year.
Also reminder how bad football owners can be, his Leeds stories are nuts.
Don't we have one already - I thought we hired during summer? Which makes it even more shocking if we do... I don't think we've scored off any corner or indirect free kick (1st phase this season) while leaking goals from oppo set pieces. Stark difference from last year when, while very predictable, i.e. put it on Jimmy's head, we were pretty threatening.
While I think there are things to be fairly happy about this season such as some pretty good recruitment and Stephan doing ok after a shaky start, got to ask some questions about the whole football set up. We have a head of methodology when we don't play the game model, and (if not mistaken above) a set piece coach overseeing set piece disasters; as well as obviously the apparent treatment of some people.
Grew up around there and till a couple of years ago was there many times a year. Lots of scum and Palace fans indeed.
Second the comments on Carshalton pubs, Hope in particular has always been a good one, Sun also good. In Sutton, the Sudstone and Shinner was about as good as it gets when I was around a lot just after Covid. Old Bank has always shown most footy games historically (have watched many QPR games there over the years, albeit without fellow fans).
If you have a car may be worth considering country pubs on weekends... Woodman in Banstead, Sportsman at Mogador, Box Hill pubs... anywhere between 10 and 30 mins drive away.
First game in three I've managed to (more or less) properly watch.
On one hand, pretty standard lower championship stodge. On the other hand, got to give credit to Sheff Wed to put in performances with that with the (complete lack of) resources they have and crisis they are in.
Agree with others, Frey looked like he needed oiling after too much time unused. WTF has happened to Dembele? He had a good 5 mins after coming on but otherwise, like in every other game this season so far, poor and a shadow of the star who we had at the start of last season.
There have been multiple good signings in isolation over the last 18 months or so, but the sum of the parts is far less than the parts themselves. Indeed overall I'd have a moderately negative view of overall recruitment for three reasons, all of which have been mentioned many times on the forum: 1. The times that big money has been spent, it has been spent very poorly. Madsen the absolute case in point (somewhere between 2 and 4m on a player profile which was not then answer to any of our problems, before we even saw him play). 2. Recruitment is entirely unbalanced, it does not focus on where the team is actually lacking. We have only three CMs in the team, we played them all on Sat and got dicked 7-1. 3. Let's just say for a minute we're on board with the idea of a "play out from the back game model". In this case, players should be recruited to fit that game model. And yet we keep recruiting players who can't hold the ball and progress it forwards.
The rumoured Saito signing is a case in point. I like Saito, rate him highly, and in isolation he's a good signing albeit maybe a bit expensive at the rumoured 2.8m. But the problems we are facing are everywhere but AM/wing. If anyone watched Sat and thought "the answer here is to get another winger" they are simply mental. I'd also say he maybe fits the "game model" better than e.g. Dembele, but I'm not sure he's a great fit for the game model... and if we need players to hold and progress the ball, why did we pay 2m for Dembele again?
While there are clearly questions to be asked of Belk, I'd say the flaws in the transfer plan highlighted above come more from the top...
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