| Shootings in Vegas now 08:42 - Oct 2 with 15421 views | loftboy |
Fûcked up world we live in |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 16:38 - Oct 2 with 3107 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 15:54 - Oct 2 by vegasranger |
Very sad day for my hometown. I bought my first hand gun in August, a Walther PPQ, it wasn't hard to get it.I ordered it online and had it sent to a local gun store.They do a background check at the store, just needed my drivers licence.There was a bill to have mental health checks before you could own a gun but I understand Congress has gutted it. The shooter came from Mesquite, a small town about an hours drive from Las Vegas. |
Sympathies, vegas. It's beyond tragic. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 16:56 - Oct 2 with 3069 views | daveB |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 15:59 - Oct 2 by TheBlob |
It's enshrined in the Constitution.You've got to blame the Brits for part of that.2nd Amendment...
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
That was written a few hundred years ago though before automatic weapons were invented. Incredible that it's not been changed since |  | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 18:11 - Oct 2 with 2999 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 16:56 - Oct 2 by daveB |
That was written a few hundred years ago though before automatic weapons were invented. Incredible that it's not been changed since |
Every country seems to have a blind spot over certain issues where no rationality can be applied.
America has guns and it’s views on socialism and atheism.
In the UK we are developing our own blind spot over the EU.
And before anyone starts, i’m not talking about leaving or staying just the subject of the EU is impossible to discuss without delirious hyperbole on either side. |  | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 20:37 - Oct 2 with 2829 views | onlyrinmoray |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 15:54 - Oct 2 by vegasranger |
Very sad day for my hometown. I bought my first hand gun in August, a Walther PPQ, it wasn't hard to get it.I ordered it online and had it sent to a local gun store.They do a background check at the store, just needed my drivers licence.There was a bill to have mental health checks before you could own a gun but I understand Congress has gutted it. The shooter came from Mesquite, a small town about an hours drive from Las Vegas. |
Vegas.. What made you buy a gun ? |  | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 20:53 - Oct 2 with 2805 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 15:59 - Oct 2 by TheBlob |
It's enshrined in the Constitution.You've got to blame the Brits for part of that.2nd Amendment...
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
Investigators have since discovered that it is a typographical error as the original draft was an effort to save human lives after the losses in the War of Independence and should have read "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and arm bears, shall not be infringed."
True story. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 22:18 - Oct 2 with 2713 views | londonscottish |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 18:11 - Oct 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Every country seems to have a blind spot over certain issues where no rationality can be applied.
America has guns and it’s views on socialism and atheism.
In the UK we are developing our own blind spot over the EU.
And before anyone starts, i’m not talking about leaving or staying just the subject of the EU is impossible to discuss without delirious hyperbole on either side. |
"i’m not talking about leaving or staying just the subject of the EU is impossible to discuss without delirious hyperbole on either side."
The press are massively guilty of publishing the extreme muck of both sides.
It's getting boring. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 23:27 - Oct 2 with 2641 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 20:37 - Oct 2 by onlyrinmoray |
Vegas.. What made you buy a gun ? |
I was going to ask the same question. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 00:47 - Oct 3 with 2588 views | vegasranger |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 20:37 - Oct 2 by onlyrinmoray |
Vegas.. What made you buy a gun ? |
Good question. Mainly home invasions. Purely to protect the family and property. Home invasions in Vegas have got increasingly violent. Your chances are low but once in, criminals seem to be killing the owners. |  | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 00:48 - Oct 3 with 2586 views | vegasranger |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 16:38 - Oct 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
Sympathies, vegas. It's beyond tragic. |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 04:27 - Oct 3 with 2544 views | qprjeff1882 |
59 dead and 537 injured. Gunman had 23 guns in hotel room and 19 left at his house. A gun fanatic who had probably been dreaming this up and fantasising this for years. He could have killed 5000 and still they won't do anything because it brings in so much money to the government. Money is the route of all evil as they say. I would join religion to that too. | | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 09:13 - Oct 3 with 2430 views | blacky200 |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 04:27 - Oct 3 by qprjeff1882 |
59 dead and 537 injured. Gunman had 23 guns in hotel room and 19 left at his house. A gun fanatic who had probably been dreaming this up and fantasising this for years. He could have killed 5000 and still they won't do anything because it brings in so much money to the government. Money is the route of all evil as they say. I would join religion to that too. |
As you say money is the problem. The NRA apparently donated up to 30 million dollars to Trump's campaign and they also support many other politicians to protect themselves from gun control. These things will continue to happen and nothing will be done apart from the pathetic platitudes after each event. I'm just thankful I don't live or want to visit the place. |  | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 09:54 - Oct 3 with 2393 views | TheBlob |
Millions of illegal guns there,you can't legislate for the criminal element,all you're doing is protecting the strong against the weak.Nutters will always find guns,fairs,online....conversion kits for "legal" assault rifles dead easy to come by.There's a lot of anti government paranoia which is fuelling this,if there ain't a civil war in the next 15 years then I'm Stonewall Jackson. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 11:01 - Oct 3 with 2344 views | isawqpratwcity |
An absolute disgrace. | |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 11:05 - Oct 3 with 2330 views | stevec |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 00:47 - Oct 3 by vegasranger |
Good question. Mainly home invasions. Purely to protect the family and property. Home invasions in Vegas have got increasingly violent. Your chances are low but once in, criminals seem to be killing the owners. |
That's an interesting point.
As despicable as over 50 people being killed in a mass shooting is, it is possible that if you banned all guns in the US you could have a situation where criminals, rather than risk playing russian roulette invading someones home, can go in knowing innocent people won't be armed and, as you mention, kill the owners anyway.
In a population of 300 million, would the banning of guns lead to 50 more innocent people being killed EVERY DAY in their own homes rather than once every 4 years that these kind of atrocities seem to occur? It's possible.
It's horrendous to think of it like that, maybe ban automatic weapons to lessen this kind of thing happening, but a total ban might lead to carnage of many more innocents.
In a country of 50 states, is it possible for 1 to ban all guns independently of the others? |  | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 11:29 - Oct 3 with 2290 views | BostonR |
I have lived in the US (mainly Boston and NJ area) and now travel there on a regular basis. There are over 300 million firearms throughout the US and more people have been slain by those guns than the total deaths incurred by all the coalition forces (including the US) since the war on terror began.
Obama opened the debate on gun control and laid bare what guns have done to that country. However, gun ownership is ingrained in the culture and constitution of the US. Yes there are some states where it is hard to obtain guns but on the whole after every massacre the sales of firearms go through the roof. It will never change despite the horrors. |  | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 11:54 - Oct 3 with 2259 views | kensalriser |
The stats are really stupidly simple.
Compare countries with gun control against the US and it's stark: more guns equal more deaths from guns.
The notion that guns save lives isn't supported by any evidence. It's a nonsense argument propounded by people who consider that 15,000 murders by gun every year is an acceptable price to pay for their right to carry the weapons that cause those deaths.
I just googled Las Vegas home invasions. I got to the bottom of the second page before I found a case of someone being killed by an intruder, this after numerous reports of intruders being killed by residents.
My guess is that if you can find the stats, you're far more likely to kill yourself in a domestic accident than be killed by someone invading your home. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 12:03 - Oct 3 with 2242 views | TacticalR |
I think everyone should have their own nukes. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 12:07 - Oct 3 with 2232 views | paesanu |
That's just insane.
Feels alien that such a developed country are so blind to the opportunity cost. |  |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 12:17 - Oct 3 with 2215 views | kensalriser |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 12:07 - Oct 3 by paesanu |
That's just insane.
Feels alien that such a developed country are so blind to the opportunity cost. |
Don 't make the mistake of thinking that the US is a first world country. | |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 13:45 - Oct 3 with 2133 views | onlyrinmoray |
Ive got to the stage of thinking let them get on with it Nothing will change
I read in the i paper last week of a 4 year old looking in his/her grannies hand bag for sweets and pulling the trigger of a gun and killing the child Do these guns have safety catches ?
Its ironic that a country that does brilliant medical research IT technology etc. allows anybody to have guns | | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 15:02 - Oct 3 with 2066 views | vegasranger |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 11:29 - Oct 3 by BostonR |
I have lived in the US (mainly Boston and NJ area) and now travel there on a regular basis. There are over 300 million firearms throughout the US and more people have been slain by those guns than the total deaths incurred by all the coalition forces (including the US) since the war on terror began.
Obama opened the debate on gun control and laid bare what guns have done to that country. However, gun ownership is ingrained in the culture and constitution of the US. Yes there are some states where it is hard to obtain guns but on the whole after every massacre the sales of firearms go through the roof. It will never change despite the horrors. |
All very true Boston. It always comes back to the second amendment and freedom of rights. I work with a bloke who has an arsenal of weapons and bullets. Keeps talking about going of the grid. I also have more sensible friends who have more that 20 guns each. Nothing will change mainly because of the NRA control of Washington. | | | |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 15:09 - Oct 3 with 2050 views | isawqpratwcity |
Generally, Americans are in favour of stricter gun control, otherwise we'd have to consider that the country be awarded some national Darwin Award.
http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Some very interesting results in there. | |
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| Shootings in Vegas now on 15:10 - Oct 3 with 2047 views | 1MoreBrightonR |
| Shootings in Vegas now on 11:54 - Oct 3 by kensalriser |
The stats are really stupidly simple.
Compare countries with gun control against the US and it's stark: more guns equal more deaths from guns.
The notion that guns save lives isn't supported by any evidence. It's a nonsense argument propounded by people who consider that 15,000 murders by gun every year is an acceptable price to pay for their right to carry the weapons that cause those deaths.
I just googled Las Vegas home invasions. I got to the bottom of the second page before I found a case of someone being killed by an intruder, this after numerous reports of intruders being killed by residents.
My guess is that if you can find the stats, you're far more likely to kill yourself in a domestic accident than be killed by someone invading your home. |
this i true...you are much more at danger of being killed by a gun if you have one in your home for protection than if you dont.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evi | | | |
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