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Antti's Six Knee Jerks: QPR 0 Forest 1 10:19 - Apr 29 with 5734 viewsAntti_Heinola

Watching the players walk around the pitch at the end for the Lap of Appreciation was a true 'I was there moment'. I wasn't there, though. Not because I was angry. Just disappointed.

1. THE GAME: Last week Clive wrote brilliantly about how QPR were finding ever more creative ways to lose matches. Turns out, though, that even our creativity for losing matches has its limits, so we looked back through the archive for one of the old ways to lose a match and used that instead.

Truly, this match was a microcosm of the second half of the season. If you had stopped going to games in early January (and God knows, we all wish we had), you could've simply turned up to this game, watched it, and it would have told you everything you needed to know about the second half of this season.

It wasn't a dire performance, but it wasn't much good. It was frequently dull. But at the same time, there was some fight and the odd flash of skill and in the end we should've taken at least a point. And, finally, we threw away our biggest chance to get a point with something involving a penalty. This description sums up about 4 or 5 games over the last few months, and take away the penalty and it sums up almost every other game. We may have been creative at losing, but the fact that we kept losing has become monotonous in the extreme.

But finally, barring the and inevitable turning over at Sheffield Wednesday next week (when our collection of loans, out-of-contracts and youngsters loses by at least three there, it'll be the ;east surprising thing since... well, see Jerk 2), this wretched season is over. Now I can enjoy my weekends again for a while.

There is/was some justifiable anger on this board over the weekend, but I think for most fans that stems from where we were at the turn of the year. Because after the first four games of this season, I would have snapped your hand off to be safe with two games to spare. The really annoying, frustrating, anger-inducing thing is that it really, really could have been so much better, so much more comfortable and enjoyable. But we totally, alarmingly, fcked it up. And that's what is so galling.

2. THE PENALTY: I have not been so sure someone would miss a penalty since Paul Furlong grabbed the ball to take the first fateful penalty in front of me and a few hundred other incandescent fans against Vauxhall Motors nearly 20 years ago. At that time (sorry Furs) Paul was not the cult hero, possibly even club legend, that he is today. He was Chelsea scum, permanently injured and completely unable to convert penalty kicks. He missed and I lost my sh!t - it was so obvious he'd miss, but he took it anyway. Still, soon, I felt bad about that, because I came to love Furs - he was brilliant. He was just no good at penalties.

On Saturday, when we got the penalty generously handed to us by diplomacy's Jack Robinson (by the way, if ever a song showed how bored our fans are by this second-half-of-season-sh!t-show, it's the Q Block chant - 'Robbo, you're a C***, Robbo, Robbo you're a C***' . Bit route one, lads?) I immediately looked around for who was going to take it. That's not Nahki Wells walking towards the ball is it? Yes. Well, surely he's fetching it for someone else - Ryan Manning, perhaps, or Josh Scowen. Oh, no, he's placing it. Yes, he's taking it. Unbelievable.

I mean did *anyone* think he was going to score? What on earth was he playing at? What was the manager doing? I know Eze and Hemed were off the pitch, but still. We saw earlier this season that he failed to convert a high pressure, last minute penalty. I'm all for redemption, but this is a team game and Wells, much as I like him and cannot fault his attitude, should not have been near the ball. I won't bore you with my list of who I would've picked to take that pen from 1-11 of those left on the pitch, but Wells was somewhere above Leistner but below Gary Cameron.

If Wells had missed a penalty earlier this season that occurred in the 60th minute of a game we won or maybe drew - then, maybe. If he had recently been in superb form, then, okay, maybe. If he had even come onto the pitch and not had two shots, both of which ballooned so far over the bar that the Upper Loft fans started trying to sort themselves out some accident insurance, then, maybe. But none of these things applied. He is a sadly dreadfully out of form, low-on-confidence striker who has already missed one massive penalty this season - a penalty that, had he scored, might have seen us have quite a different outcome for the rest of this season. And that's before you realise that he had previously, according to the excellent Jack Supple, missed his last FOUR penalties. Nahki. WHAT THE FK WERE YOU DOING?

Only one player on the pitch in hoops has scored penalties this season - Ryan Manning. And he should've had the ball. He'll also be with us next season, he'd had another good game at left back, and he deserved it. Absolutely infuriating.

3. MANNING: Another good performance full of skill and deftness and intelligence. He may not be positionally brilliant - that will have to be learned - he may not be the best defender, but that can be learned too - but he has quality and showed it again on Saturday. Once more his delivery and passing was, in the main, very good. His ability to get himself out of tight situations is admirable. He prefers to find a pass and takes responsibility to do so rather than just firing it up the pitch. He feels unflustered and unhurried, and maybe he will convert more fully into a left back. I could also see him playing left midfield. He doesn't have searing pace, but he can beat a man and his crossing is probably the best at the club. A rare encouraging sign.

4. CENTRE BACKS: Clive said it last week - it looks like we probably should have tried George Cameron at CB earlier than we have. He looked totally at ease there, alongside Leistner, whose sheer strength makes us look a better side when he plays. Few players use their arse quite as well as Leistner when in a tight spot. Gallen-esque. OK, so we did concede a fairly sloppy goal, but on the whole, and particularly when bearing in mind their lac of pace, these two looked very good together. A shame it's happened this late in the season.

5. SHODIPO: I frequently forget about Shodipo. It's sad to think the player that JFH thought so highly of, who had a couple of tremendous assists to his name, has had such a tough time over the last couple of years or so. Particularly when he produces cameos like the one on Saturday. It was nothing complicated - get ball, run with ball, beat man, cross ball. Sorted. In my fanciful world where we don't finish bottom next season, I imagine us finding a Bielsa-like coach able to wring the very best out of our talented youth; Smith as a static spearhead, with three from Bright, Smyth, Eze, Chair and Shodipo buzzing around him and chucking crosses in for him. I stress this is fanciful. But I am allowed to dream if I want to and you can't stop me.

Anyway, he was a pleasure to watch. I didn't even mind when he beat the same player six times before finally crossing the ball. Who cares? We were losing, but my God it was nice to see a bit of fun on the pitch. I dunno - he'll probably end up in non league or league two, but it feels like there's something there. Make or break season for him next time out.

6. WALKER: The full debut cliches:
Dream Debut? Nope.
Looked sharp? Not really.
Showed some nice touches? Maybe.
Quiet debut. Yep.

I thought Eze had his best game for a while - the difference when he was moved into the centre was stark. Whoever does come in now really needs to be able to inspire these young players. We have two or three (Chair, Eze, Bright) who really could be very, very good players at this level. But they need to be trusted and inspired. It's a big ask.

And that's that. Thanks to all - see you next season! Hurray! Cannot wait. Pulis might be available soon...

Bare bones.

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Antti's Six Knee Jerks: QPR 0 Forest 1 on 00:28 - Apr 30 with 805 viewskarl

I've kept off board as form has slipped badly this year as it's hard to comment on team when you don't see live games.
However I can't believe the transformation in Wells, I did go to the Cup game at Pompey and he was just so obviously a class player (slight exaggeration) who performed within himself that day, imo a slightly better team performance and he would have been flying.
Now I know that's passing on responsibility to his team mates but I do think he was a level above most on the pitch that day but watching him afterwards on the tv, telling my brother how good he would be, it was remarkable how poor he had become. Honestly what actually happened to him because it seemed to catch the whole team eventually, it was a very strange season and the fact it didn't end in relegation obviously highlights the good spell that meant these players actually played very well for a decent number of games.
New manager is key now and they are out there, nobody on here mentioned Paul Heckingbottom but he's at Hibs and doing a great job, I think he is typical of the meticulous/shape/pressing new manager that are in the game now, no luck involved and make 11 hard working players into a decent unit.
I don't see enough lower league English football to say who might be a decent bet but surely there's one there to take at first option, don't go for the manager who took advantage of his predecessors work (JFH?) get the original.
Fwiw I think Alex Neil is one but now out of our range and otherwise nobody in Scotland I would be chancing atm.
Biggest success story up here has probably been Livingston under Gary Holt but apparently the driving force has been assistant manager David Martindale, David Hopkins was previously manager but left for Bradford and flopped badly so justifying input from Martindale. Problem is he has done time as cocaine dealer and can't take reins as a manager although rumour has it it his money propping up the club.
Would such a character fit in at HQ?? Can't imagine which of his skills would be most in demand....

Edit
I do know Rowett was before JFH but he seems to have gone stale, point is get the original when doing the business. I suppose Lincoln boys are topical just now
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Antti's Six Knee Jerks: QPR 0 Forest 1 on 01:36 - Apr 30 with 770 viewstimcocking

Antti's Six Knee Jerks: QPR 0 Forest 1 on 11:36 - Apr 29 by rsonist

Hi, resident contrary git here, apologies in advance.

Bloody hell though, I know we're all fed up but are we not just slightly flogging this Wells penalty to death a bit? He's the senior striker, he wanted to put a previous miss right, he backed himself as strikers do, it's really not particularly controversial that he took it on. Was Hoos supposed to run onto the pitch waving his loan contract at him or something? Half expect if someone else had missed everyone would probably turn round and point to him as a disinterested mercenary coward.

McIntyre is apparently quite right to airily state that two-thirds of QPR is PR if we're really expecting the club to have sat down and strategically concocted a fairytale narrative where the emergency youth left back takes a pen if we happen to get one just to prove the future is bright. (As if giving Walker a start for no particular reason wasn't enough!)

Anyway, of course Wells fecked it right up. And it does sum the second half of our season up to be sure, but I'd also venture it sums up the discourse around the club too - where everything abruptly having gone wrong is presented as everything always having been wrong from the very start ("absolutely botched", in Norf's words). I still can't get my head around why everything suddenly snowballed into a doom spiral, I wish I did, but I do just about remember that it was coming off for a bit; that there was justification, circumstance, and fleeting vindication to the loans in and out; and that Wells was good and we all liked him lots. But I suppose there's no satisfaction in the wrong sides of fine margins and the unexplained.


Good post this, interesting stuff in there.

Yeah, fair point, Nahki wanted it, good for him, you have to let him take it. Ok, he's missed a second, now Manning takes over. I mean logically it was a dumb decision, but at the time understandable. A shame, because Nahki's effort levels were absolutely prodigious for us and i'd have liked him to go out on a high. As it is, unfortunately his last half of his time has been poor. Can't fault his effort, though, and i'll always respect him for not hiding.

What a difference that penalty for 4-4 might have made. Damn, you can point to some huge moments yet again this season where things could have gone differently and we've been really unfortunate again. 9 minutes of extra time i ask you. Imagine that ref giving 9 minutes of extra time against Liverpool, like fcuk he would. Cheating c nuts.
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Antti's Six Knee Jerks: QPR 0 Forest 1 on 06:58 - Apr 30 with 741 viewsdistortR

Antti's Six Knee Jerks: QPR 0 Forest 1 on 12:53 - Apr 29 by rsonist

Hard to fathom this response tbh. Professional pride is precisely why he took the pen! (Even though his execution looked a complete pisstake).

You're talking as though these aren't real human footballers with emotions who interact with each other as part of a group. All these overarching robotic things you're expecting to have instantly gone through their minds when the pen was awarded are completely unrealistic, no player ever thinks like that. You either back yourself or you don't back yourself and that's it. Presumably these standards you loftily refer to amount to Eustace peering into his iPad and seeing Wells' morale arrow is pointing down on Football Manager, I dunno.


And not so he could claim another season where he got into double figures on his c.v that will be circulating mid-table championship clubs very soon.

Edit: just read through thread fully, it appears I'm thinking on the same lines as SteveC, which is actually slightly worrying
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