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I’ve waited a bit to see what came out but it seems it’s just masked military style men on the streets shooting an unarmed woman trying to drive a way.
The interpretation of events from Trump and particularly Vance are so fantastical you’d laugh if it want so sad.
Have watched the video of the ICE agents around the car multiple times and she does try to run one over trying to get away but this was a total overreach - no warning shot, could have aimed for the tyres as she was driving off, or simply wait and detain later as they had the plate numbers, description etc..
The trouble is this women and her partner had been goading them and being a pain in the arse for a good while before one of them snapped.
He's been run down before so that may explain but in no way excuse his actions.
At the end of the day goading and obstructing armed law enforcement is never a good idea
Have watched the video of the ICE agents around the car multiple times and she does try to run one over trying to get away but this was a total overreach - no warning shot, could have aimed for the tyres as she was driving off, or simply wait and detain later as they had the plate numbers, description etc..
The trouble is this women and her partner had been goading them and being a pain in the arse for a good while before one of them snapped.
He's been run down before so that may explain but in no way excuse his actions.
At the end of the day goading and obstructing armed law enforcement is never a good idea
I agree it’s not a good idea but as you said, vast overreach.
I’d also say it’s very debatable whether she tries to run him over. The audio with the actual video is pretty horrifying.
AS you said ,wait until all the facts are out there but I'm assuming that she was born in the US and had the skill to drive a car so why would someone deliberately drive away from a scene where there were numerous police trying to prevent her driving away especially with one standing in front of the car. It was never going to end well especially when a female officer was recently deliberately run over and killed doing the exact same thing . Don't mess with cops with guns
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
I agree it’s not a good idea but as you said, vast overreach.
I’d also say it’s very debatable whether she tries to run him over. The audio with the actual video is pretty horrifying.
He seems to appear from nowhere and then is seen near the bonnet at the drivers side - I think he is obscured initially and is walking towards the car weapon already drawn then she drives at him and he shoots - the vid is on the BBC in one of the many articles on this...
As I see it - two impulsive panicked reactions that have resulted in a tragedy.
AS you said ,wait until all the facts are out there but I'm assuming that she was born in the US and had the skill to drive a car so why would someone deliberately drive away from a scene where there were numerous police trying to prevent her driving away especially with one standing in front of the car. It was never going to end well especially when a female officer was recently deliberately run over and killed doing the exact same thing . Don't mess with cops with guns
Not cops though.
The cops aren’t even allowed to investigate. It’s like marshal law.
Different culture Here we allow our police to be insulted abused threatened and they’re expected ted to take it with a smile Clearly in US you don’t feck with authority Imagine that here Jews innit causing trouble
The officer in question had previously been run over and dragged by a car (requiring fifty stitches) whilst apprehending a foreign sex offender and illegal immigrant who attempted to murder him.
He (and others) were/are in the line of (extremely dangerous) duty attempting to uphold U.S immigration laws that were introduced in 1952. WHEN? Trump was only SIX years old at the time!!!!.
Apparently law and order must now be disobeyed, so that law abiding U.S citizens can be needlessly endangered, raped and murdered etc just to please WOKE 'defund the police' idiots and commonsense free lefty loons. Some TRULY want foreign murderers, rapists, organised drug gangs, and organised fraud gangs ruling American streets/society.
Do these protesting IDIOTS want law and order, or do they want dangerous streets and societal destruction instead? The answer to that is more than evident, by their protests, anti-police violence and evidence of that!!!!
Remeber some golden rules i.e. when facing American law enforcement upholding federal law. Obey the law...Use common sense.. Stop immediately...Shut the **** up...Be polite and....DONT RIDE WITH A MAD WOMAN.
And if obeyed? That woman would have still been alive today! FACT!!!
The cops aren’t even allowed to investigate. It’s like marshal law.
Powers to stop should be enough to focus the attention of anyone. I'm not judging either way but there's always a back story to any incident such as this. The sad thing kids have lost a mother, a husband a wife and perhaps the officer who killed her a memory to haunt him for ever , all because she didn't yield for what ever reason.
"ICE officers do not need judicial warrants to make arrests and, like all other law enforcement officers, are entitled to initiate conversations, briefly detain non-citizens when they have reasonable suspicion that they are in the US illegally, and arrest those people.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
Powers to stop should be enough to focus the attention of anyone. I'm not judging either way but there's always a back story to any incident such as this. The sad thing kids have lost a mother, a husband a wife and perhaps the officer who killed her a memory to haunt him for ever , all because she didn't yield for what ever reason.
"ICE officers do not need judicial warrants to make arrests and, like all other law enforcement officers, are entitled to initiate conversations, briefly detain non-citizens when they have reasonable suspicion that they are in the US illegally, and arrest those people.
I’m sure there’s more to come out.
What really worries me is they are allowed to mark their own homework in regards the the investigation.
The officer in question had previously been run over and dragged by a car (requiring fifty stitches) whilst apprehending a foreign sex offender and illegal immigrant who attempted to murder him.
He (and others) were/are in the line of (extremely dangerous) duty attempting to uphold U.S immigration laws that were introduced in 1952. WHEN? Trump was only SIX years old at the time!!!!.
Apparently law and order must now be disobeyed, so that law abiding U.S citizens can be needlessly endangered, raped and murdered etc just to please WOKE 'defund the police' idiots and commonsense free lefty loons. Some TRULY want foreign murderers, rapists, organised drug gangs, and organised fraud gangs ruling American streets/society.
Do these protesting IDIOTS want law and order, or do they want dangerous streets and societal destruction instead? The answer to that is more than evident, by their protests, anti-police violence and evidence of that!!!!
Remeber some golden rules i.e. when facing American law enforcement upholding federal law. Obey the law...Use common sense.. Stop immediately...Shut the **** up...Be polite and....DONT RIDE WITH A MAD WOMAN.
And if obeyed? That woman would have still been alive today! FACT!!!
What really worries me is they are allowed to mark their own homework in regards the the investigation.
Gwyn what institute doesn't mark its own homework, as sad as this story is ,its not unique nor rare and that in itself should educate those who believe they're above the law ,whether we agree or not.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
Sorry to jump in but do law officers deserve to die ,we never ever see comments when some person just doing their job gets killed and I believe more coppers get killed in the US by getting runover than a "civilian" committing the offence of driving away. All I can add is thank god she wasn't black otherwise we'd have mass protests over here with the police being attacked by the rent a mob.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
The officer in question had previously been run over and dragged by a car (requiring fifty stitches) whilst apprehending a foreign sex offender and illegal immigrant who attempted to murder him.
He (and others) were/are in the line of (extremely dangerous) duty attempting to uphold U.S immigration laws that were introduced in 1952. WHEN? Trump was only SIX years old at the time!!!!.
Apparently law and order must now be disobeyed, so that law abiding U.S citizens can be needlessly endangered, raped and murdered etc just to please WOKE 'defund the police' idiots and commonsense free lefty loons. Some TRULY want foreign murderers, rapists, organised drug gangs, and organised fraud gangs ruling American streets/society.
Do these protesting IDIOTS want law and order, or do they want dangerous streets and societal destruction instead? The answer to that is more than evident, by their protests, anti-police violence and evidence of that!!!!
Remeber some golden rules i.e. when facing American law enforcement upholding federal law. Obey the law...Use common sense.. Stop immediately...Shut the **** up...Be polite and....DONT RIDE WITH A MAD WOMAN.
And if obeyed? That woman would have still been alive today! FACT!!!
Brave post that Some will see you as less humane than they are
Why intimidate ICE police in the first place USA is different gravy to us
Brave post that Some will see you as less humane than they are
Why intimidate ICE police in the first place USA is different gravy to us
I agree everything the ICE directors reaction/words in the first video 1:07s onwards.
"Nobody wants to see a loss of life, BUT we also see someone who has put themselves in a lawful law enforcement situation who shouldn't be there. " etc, etc, etc.
The words "Darwin award" are viral in numerous YouTube video comments section. An utterly preventable situation.
I agree everything the ICE directors reaction/words in the first video 1:07s onwards.
"Nobody wants to see a loss of life, BUT we also see someone who has put themselves in a lawful law enforcement situation who shouldn't be there. " etc, etc, etc.
The words "Darwin award" are viral in numerous YouTube video comments section. An utterly preventable situation.
The trouble is a lot of left leaning liberals are over zealous in their anger and rage at protests. We see it in the UK all the time and they act incredulous when they've been arrested, pinned to the floor and end up in clink and then court. Just Stop Oil, Palestine etc...
I'm probably right in thinking she naively thought that being white, female, a pillar of the community driving an SUV in an ostensibly normal suburban neighbourhood that law enforcement only shoot blacks and hispanics when they fail to comply.
For me she drove off after instruction not to do so. As a result she clipped the ICE bloke and was shot. It was no different in Northern Ireland on numerous occasions. Same rules of engagement. Same results.
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A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
He seems to appear from nowhere and then is seen near the bonnet at the drivers side - I think he is obscured initially and is walking towards the car weapon already drawn then she drives at him and he shoots - the vid is on the BBC in one of the many articles on this...
As I see it - two impulsive panicked reactions that have resulted in a tragedy.
More widely reported than the slow overthrow of Iran by its people. BBC know best.
A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
More widely reported than the slow overthrow of Iran by its people. BBC know best.
Last week I heard an interview with a BBC Correspondent and a Democratic Congressman, the BBC Correspondent said that this ' was a George Floyd moment and people will take to streets'. The Democratic Congressman to his credit said that the focus should be on understanding exactly what happened and he hoped that people will not overreact and he did not want to see any disorder.
If she'd stayed at home and not driven to Minnesota to goad Federal Law enforcement then she'd still be alive.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Last week I heard an interview with a BBC Correspondent and a Democratic Congressman, the BBC Correspondent said that this ' was a George Floyd moment and people will take to streets'. The Democratic Congressman to his credit said that the focus should be on understanding exactly what happened and he hoped that people will not overreact and he did not want to see any disorder.
Another way of looking at it I am that only in a few years, we’ve seen a movement of the killing of black male criminals to white women.
I agree it’s not a good idea but as you said, vast overreach.
I’d also say it’s very debatable whether she tries to run him over. The audio with the actual video is pretty horrifying.
Whether she intended to hit him or not is irrelevant. It’s still a large powerful vehicle being accelerated harshly in his direction. If she had hit him he would be dead or have life changing injuries at the very least. Obviously standing in front of the vehicle in the first place is foolish.
In reality she’s probably panicked at having men surround her brandishing firearms, slammed on the gas to get away, he’s also panicked at having a vehicle driven at him with force and been too trigger happy. It’s all happened in under a second essentially.
Can understand the reaction of both parties, it comes down to human frailty really, fight or flight in action. Shame people are using it to score political points but that’s the world we live in.
For me she drove off after instruction not to do so. As a result she clipped the ICE bloke and was shot. It was no different in Northern Ireland on numerous occasions. Same rules of engagement. Same results.
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Indeed
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
The evidence is damning she turned the wheel away from the officer and was executed, apparently she had just dropped her 6 year old off at school, dog in the back of the car, a mother of 3 children of a certain age, she was no threat and that should have been obvious, I seen the videos, the comms, everyone's position at various times, the timeline's etc and its shocking. Nothing aggressive was said, armed masked men attempted to get into her car, she moved the wheel away from the officer who was walking around the car and basically touching it he was so close and she went to drive off, she could not have hurt him if she tried from a few inches away at a standing start, but that clearly was not the case as she turned the wheel away from him, looks like she was shot through the corner and the windscreen and twice through the open side passenger window, the car only picked up speed because she was dead. I seen the doctor at the side of the road saying "I'm a physician let me check her pulse, just let me check her pulse", but it looked like the armed masked men were going to kill the doctor, I didn't want to watch that video again with the body in the car to listen to what the armed man who came towards the doctor said but I got the sense they would have killed him. The guy that did the killing and his colleagues jumped in an unmarked car with a bystander shouting over and over "don't let him get away, don't let him get away", but she was shouting at stormtroopers not ordinary police they seemed to be all in it together. The President and vice president spun some ridiculous story that the blokes life was in danger, there was nothing wrong with him he stayed on his feet the whole time, holding a phone filming in one hand and shooting with the other, he never even dropped the phone. It's a worry what Trump and Vance is doing to America.
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