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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 14:20 - Feb 27 by KensalT
I take your point about it being a tough business.
I made the same point myself.
But we are in a position where we are committed to developing young players who at some point will probably need good loans.
It's in our interests to build relationships with clubs to help place our players in good loans in the future.
Stiffing other clubs just because we can might prove counter productive to us in the long run.
In a recent WLS podcast David McIntyre said Daniel Bennie was all set for a loan move but we pulled out at the last minute because of injuries. OK, I get that, but could that decision have been made sooner in the window so that everyone is clear what our plans are?
And don't forget we also stiffed Schalke in the summer by pulling out of the Pape Meisse Ba deal very late in the day.
Playing hardball is fine, as you say we aren't running a charity. But messing clubs around is not good for our reputation, especially at a time when we want to develop and trade players.
Your argument can work both ways. I don't see clubs unduly worrying about their reputation by refusing to send successful loans back.
A loan is a contract and each party has the right to insist it's adhered to. In many ways, I think it's reflects badly on the club trying to wriggle their way out of a loan early just because it hasn't worked out.
Ultimately, I don't think any of this will make a jot of difference to our reputation and clubs will still come looking for loans. It's the nature of the beast and you're over thinking it.
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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 16:27 - Feb 27 with 541 views
Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 14:27 - Feb 27 by Northernr
Fine line between playing hard ball and winging it.
When I consider our budget and think back to some of deals we've been on the wrong end of (e.g. Trevor Sinclair, Peter Crouch, Conor Washington, Taylor Richards, etc.) I'm more than happy for the club to take a hard line approach.
As I said earlier, if we can't recall the successful loans early then we shouldn't be expected to take the unsuccessful ones back. That approach would be financial suicide and mark the club out as a soft touch.
Frankly, anyone who believes otherwise waives their right to complain about the finances and PSR.
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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 16:30 - Feb 27 with 533 views
Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 16:27 - Feb 27 by Benny_the_Ball
When I consider our budget and think back to some of deals we've been on the wrong end of (e.g. Trevor Sinclair, Peter Crouch, Conor Washington, Taylor Richards, etc.) I'm more than happy for the club to take a hard line approach.
As I said earlier, if we can't recall the successful loans early then we shouldn't be expected to take the unsuccessful ones back. That approach would be financial suicide and mark the club out as a soft touch.
Frankly, anyone who believes otherwise waives their right to complain about the finances and PSR.
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It's a lot better for the finances and PSR if you don't commit £REDACTEDm to Zan Celar in the first place.
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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 17:17 - Feb 27 with 440 views
Can we just forget about Celar ever being in a QPR shirt again, as he is bloody useless and a bit of a costly mistake . Alfie Lloyd is a trier, I like him, hopefully there is still a future for him at QPR. Sam Field is being primed for a sale in my opinion and if he performs at Norwich there is a good chance we could get a decent fee for him at the end of the season.
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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 19:04 - Feb 27 with 345 views
Norwich now have big money from selling Sargent,, so can afford field, but may now be able to afford better in the summer. Celar, am i right in thinking he got shipped out after his first season shocker. Could it be possible that he did a Madsen if kept for a second season and blossom (before pulling a hammy no doubt)? Foreign players, maybe need a year to adapt. Just a thought
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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 19:27 - Feb 27 with 321 views
Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 19:04 - Feb 27 by BrazilNutR
Norwich now have big money from selling Sargent,, so can afford field, but may now be able to afford better in the summer. Celar, am i right in thinking he got shipped out after his first season shocker. Could it be possible that he did a Madsen if kept for a second season and blossom (before pulling a hammy no doubt)? Foreign players, maybe need a year to adapt. Just a thought
With Madsen his technical ability was there to see even when his overall performances were shocking and he didn't look like ever adapting to the pace and physicality of the league.
With Celar I'm still not sure whether he's any good or not (no evidence of it from his loan spell), but the bigger issue was always he clearly wasn't the type of striker would fit into the team, regardless of ability or the lack of it. A bad signing that throws up questions about how players were being identified at that point .
Of course you could make the same argument about Madsen on the basis of his first season (who thought a player that couldn't play under physical pressure would cut it?) and that we've actually just been very lucky that he in fact has adapted this season in a way that no one could have predicted
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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 19:27 - Feb 27 with 319 views
Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 19:04 - Feb 27 by BrazilNutR
Norwich now have big money from selling Sargent,, so can afford field, but may now be able to afford better in the summer. Celar, am i right in thinking he got shipped out after his first season shocker. Could it be possible that he did a Madsen if kept for a second season and blossom (before pulling a hammy no doubt)? Foreign players, maybe need a year to adapt. Just a thought
CELAR this season 15 appearances, 9 times on bench, not brought on.
Zero goals and zero assists.
So, as you say foreign players could need a year to adapt - well he is showing nothing in another country, not of his birth. He scored a brilliant hat trick in a pre season friendly, but been a nobody, ever since.
So , regards Zan the Man, we need to get rid a la Taylor Richards - its just never going to happen.
FIELD - can see Norwich looking at us in the same way we have done with Edwards at Saints, they probably looking to snap him up. For me, this is poor by the club, but can't see Sam playing for us anymore.
LLOYD - A lot of endeavour, great enthusiasm, aching to succeed, but is he good enough, or is he the latest incarnation of Ossie Kakay...
Think all three for different reasons, won't be seen on the pitch here, again...
Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 17:14 - Feb 27 by Northernr
It's a lot better for the finances and PSR if you don't commit £REDACTEDm to Zan Celar in the first place.
Absolutely! Or sign half a dozen midget number 10s when the team is crying out for box-to-box central midfielders, 2 full backs, a goalkeeper, fitness, leadership, and pace.
But if you do sign a lemon and someone is kind enough to take him on loan what you don't do then is compound the problem by recalling him early in order to protect some misguided notion of reputation.
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Should we recall Celar, Field, or Lloyd? on 06:36 - Feb 28 with 132 views
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