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Does amuse me that “standards” are constantly invoked here to attack Nourry (even tho there is at least a small possibility that selection decisions in the dog days of last season were Stephan’s); yet apparently Field can display a significant dip in standards/ performance yet we should apparently have just sucked it up because he is #therightsort - it really is a select gentleman’s club here isn’t it? You are either considered “in” or “out”, and every judgement springs from that. Shades of grey? What is that of which you speak?
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:31 - Jun 25 with 2580 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 21:37 - Jun 25 by BazzaInTheLoft
Sorry to be clear, I mean the time he was succesful rather than his time total.
I reckon it as a calendar year over two season? Take the summer away and we're looking at ten months?
Otherwise, yeah, he did follow a litany of rogues.
Glad you're not doing my appraisal.
Took over a club which had just come 19th in 2019 and got them up to 13th. A success! Only one other season have we bettered that in eleven years, when we came 12th in the Ramsey/Warnock/JFH parachute farce of 2015.
Next season: 9th. A success we can only dream of.
Final season: 11th. Disappointing given preseason expectation, but we were in amongst the top six until spring.
He was there three years and 24 days total. Finishes of 13, 9, 11. He wasn't perfect, I found him unloveable at times - not in a disrespectful way, far from it. But he built a good team ethic and he got us punching.
If you're taking preseasons away from managers, then most of QPR's have been there a matter of weeks. He's in the Venables, Smith bracket for longevity. And most of it was reasonably successful, and certainly more successful than the four seasons either side.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:22 - Jun 25 by Stainrod
Does amuse me that “standards” are constantly invoked here to attack Nourry (even tho there is at least a small possibility that selection decisions in the dog days of last season were Stephan’s); yet apparently Field can display a significant dip in standards/ performance yet we should apparently have just sucked it up because he is #therightsort - it really is a select gentleman’s club here isn’t it? You are either considered “in” or “out”, and every judgement springs from that. Shades of grey? What is that of which you speak?
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Fields standards didn't drop last season but his performance at the start of the season did.
Nourry has his own standards although judging by how often his cv changes and he tells obvious lies, his standards are very low.
Extra mature cheddar......a simple cheese for a simple man
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:38 - Jun 25 with 2534 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:31 - Jun 25 by TK1
Glad you're not doing my appraisal.
Took over a club which had just come 19th in 2019 and got them up to 13th. A success! Only one other season have we bettered that in eleven years, when we came 12th in the Ramsey/Warnock/JFH parachute farce of 2015.
Next season: 9th. A success we can only dream of.
Final season: 11th. Disappointing given preseason expectation, but we were in amongst the top six until spring.
He was there three years and 24 days total. Finishes of 13, 9, 11. He wasn't perfect, I found him unloveable at times - not in a disrespectful way, far from it. But he built a good team ethic and he got us punching.
If you're taking preseasons away from managers, then most of QPR's have been there a matter of weeks. He's in the Venables, Smith bracket for longevity. And most of it was reasonably successful, and certainly more successful than the four seasons either side.
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:22 - Jun 25 by Stainrod
Does amuse me that “standards” are constantly invoked here to attack Nourry (even tho there is at least a small possibility that selection decisions in the dog days of last season were Stephan’s); yet apparently Field can display a significant dip in standards/ performance yet we should apparently have just sucked it up because he is #therightsort - it really is a select gentleman’s club here isn’t it? You are either considered “in” or “out”, and every judgement springs from that. Shades of grey? What is that of which you speak?
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He's back.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 23:00 - Jun 25 with 2481 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:22 - Jun 25 by Stainrod
Does amuse me that “standards” are constantly invoked here to attack Nourry (even tho there is at least a small possibility that selection decisions in the dog days of last season were Stephan’s); yet apparently Field can display a significant dip in standards/ performance yet we should apparently have just sucked it up because he is #therightsort - it really is a select gentleman’s club here isn’t it? You are either considered “in” or “out”, and every judgement springs from that. Shades of grey? What is that of which you speak?
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Field got higher LFW average player ratings than Morgan, Saito, and Varane last season.
You must think very highly of him if that's your idea of a "significant dip" :-)
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:31 - Jun 29 with 2000 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 20:10 - Jun 24 by TK1
Agree it doesn't really matter; but I do think it's about standards, it builds a culture and I think first team appearances for QPR should be earned. We often give minutes to players in these games who are not of the level, will never be of the level, or just aren't fit. I don't really enjoy that.
As an aside, I did not enjoy the Steve Cook sendoff, either, as we lost 1-2 at home in an unbelievably meek performance played out in a half empty stadium because of the strike. And Cook in particular was poor. Nice gesture, agree. A big sendoff might be over egging the actual night.
And you are misremembering 21/22. Warburton's QPR were very much in the play-off picture for the majority of the season. QPR started February 22 placed 4th in the table on 51 points, two points off 2nd and six points ahead of 7th, with a game in hand on both. They looked very likely. Sorry, that's a fact that can be proven by a table of results.
Then, even when they totally sht the bed February through April, they could have still got in the playoffs if they'd just beaten Sheffield United away and in the rearranged fixture. Just two games. That word if again. The club viewed that as unacceptable from Warburton, though we haven't been nearly as successful subsequently. And we've spent as much since then. So big season ahead.
Apologies for bumping this but a tweet from @QPRReport made me notice something I hadn't previously realised.
Julien Stephan's record last season was almost identical to Warbs Warburton in his first season:
16-10-20 58 points
Warbs had a slightly better goal difference and finished a couple of places higher up the league.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 20:27 - Jun 29 with 1830 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 17:31 - Jun 29 by KensalT
Apologies for bumping this but a tweet from @QPRReport made me notice something I hadn't previously realised.
Julien Stephan's record last season was almost identical to Warbs Warburton in his first season:
16-10-20 58 points
Warbs had a slightly better goal difference and finished a couple of places higher up the league.
I don't wish to be the leader of the Mark Warburton Fan Club. And I think that Stephan is probably a better coach. I prefer his bedside manner to Warbs. And I fully expect him to win more matches in season two than Warbs did in season two...
However, Warbs signed up to manage a version of QPR that I suspect a coach of Stephan's pedigree would not entertain managing.
In Warbs' first season, the highest fee QPR paid was £50k, for Liam Kelly. All the other signings were freebies, Marc Pugh, Geoff Cameron, Conor Masterson, Barbet and the like. QPR were still under huge financial restraints.
Last summer, QPR spent £300k on Tylon Smith alone. They also spent £1m on Burrell, £2.75m on Kone, £2.78m on Koki Saito, £900k on Kwame Poku...
Then in January: £4.5m on Ronnie Edwards and £500k on Obikwu. And they'd spent at least £5m the previous summer on Madsen, Celar, Varane and all the usual 'undisclosed's.
So not sure you can compare their first seasons. I fully expect Stephan to beat season two. The squad is massively better stocked.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:21 - Jun 29 with 1611 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:07 - Jun 29 by TK1
I don't wish to be the leader of the Mark Warburton Fan Club. And I think that Stephan is probably a better coach. I prefer his bedside manner to Warbs. And I fully expect him to win more matches in season two than Warbs did in season two...
However, Warbs signed up to manage a version of QPR that I suspect a coach of Stephan's pedigree would not entertain managing.
In Warbs' first season, the highest fee QPR paid was £50k, for Liam Kelly. All the other signings were freebies, Marc Pugh, Geoff Cameron, Conor Masterson, Barbet and the like. QPR were still under huge financial restraints.
Last summer, QPR spent £300k on Tylon Smith alone. They also spent £1m on Burrell, £2.75m on Kone, £2.78m on Koki Saito, £900k on Kwame Poku...
Then in January: £4.5m on Ronnie Edwards and £500k on Obikwu. And they'd spent at least £5m the previous summer on Madsen, Celar, Varane and all the usual 'undisclosed's.
So not sure you can compare their first seasons. I fully expect Stephan to beat season two. The squad is massively better stocked.
As an aside, Some of those transfer fee estimates are very generous to the club, btw. Some don’t include likely add ons and some are shy of the amount other clubs in football believe we paid (and they stood to know).
Two things you’ve missed on the Warburton side is a) he had Eze, and b) we paid some significant salaries under him (Wells, Hugill (same season), Austin, Johansen, etc). Agree, the fees weren’t there but the wage bill went up under him. Although it never quite got as high as it currently is.
So, agree with the broad point, what we have spent on fees and salaries now, for this season, should mean we surpass those years. If we don’t, I think it will have been a failure.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:26 - Jun 29 with 1588 views
How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 22:07 - Jun 29 by TK1
I don't wish to be the leader of the Mark Warburton Fan Club. And I think that Stephan is probably a better coach. I prefer his bedside manner to Warbs. And I fully expect him to win more matches in season two than Warbs did in season two...
However, Warbs signed up to manage a version of QPR that I suspect a coach of Stephan's pedigree would not entertain managing.
In Warbs' first season, the highest fee QPR paid was £50k, for Liam Kelly. All the other signings were freebies, Marc Pugh, Geoff Cameron, Conor Masterson, Barbet and the like. QPR were still under huge financial restraints.
Last summer, QPR spent £300k on Tylon Smith alone. They also spent £1m on Burrell, £2.75m on Kone, £2.78m on Koki Saito, £900k on Kwame Poku...
Then in January: £4.5m on Ronnie Edwards and £500k on Obikwu. And they'd spent at least £5m the previous summer on Madsen, Celar, Varane and all the usual 'undisclosed's.
So not sure you can compare their first seasons. I fully expect Stephan to beat season two. The squad is massively better stocked.
You make a very fair point that Warbs did walk into a bit of a mess and bringing in some of his old faithfuls did help to stabilise the position.
On the other hand Warbs inherited Eze, Bright, and Manning.
I'm not sure Stephan had any players of comparable ability to work with from Day 1.
Kone, Burrell, Mbengue, and Poku did all look like very good signings but they were all making the step up from League 1.
Warbs was also able to bring in experienced players like Nahki Wells and Jordan Hugill on loan which Stephan is unlikely to have the budget for unless we sell one of our better players first.
And Warbs made a very slow start to his second season. By Christmas 2020 we were hovering just above the relegation spots and Warbs was under the pump.
Let's see if Stephan gets the same patience if he makes a slow start next season.
Look, I'm playing devil's advocate. I like Warbs and wish he had stayed for longer than he did, but he did have a very decent team in his first season, so for Stephan to match his record for a first season is deserving of some credit.
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 13:32 - Jun 30 with 1249 views
This is LFW at it's very best. Reasoned debate. Respectful. Well thought through positions and arguments. I've just read the whole thread start to finish and found it very enlightening and enjoyable. I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said. I'm not a fan of Nourry and his style as I've said many times elsewhere, but I want him to succeed as that obviously means the club succeeds. I just wish he could find a more convincing way to communicate with the fanbase. A touch more authenticity wouldn't go amiss for starters.
Glory hunter, me
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How QPR are building for the future - Christian Nourry interview the CEO show on 14:25 - Jun 30 with 1149 views
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