| Club Statement on 14:28 - Jan 18 with 1555 views | judd |
| Club Statement on 14:26 - Jan 18 by TTNYear |
I can see the headlines
"I'm gay and KKK'" says un-named Dale scouser [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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That hardly narrows the list down, allegedly. |  |
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| Club Statement on 14:31 - Jan 18 with 1545 views | TTNYear |
| Club Statement on 14:28 - Jan 18 by judd |
That hardly narrows the list down, allegedly. |
"There ain't no black unless your name is Jack" Claims mincing Dale Liverpudlian |  |
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| Club Statement on 14:32 - Jan 18 with 1541 views | SuddenLad |
| Club Statement on 14:12 - Jan 18 by TTNYear |
That's a bit ham fisted surely. What if the player came out and apologised. Is no one allowed to make a mistake? |
Mistake ?
Racism or racist remarks aren't a mistake, they are a statement.
You don't use racist language by 'accident' any more than you drink and drive by accident.
As a Dale fan, I don't want racists wearing a Dale shirt.
As yet, no-one is deemed guilty of anything, so let's wait for the outcome of the investigation before we debate the punishment. |  |
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| Club Statement on 14:37 - Jan 18 with 1534 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
| Club Statement on 14:32 - Jan 18 by SuddenLad |
Mistake ?
Racism or racist remarks aren't a mistake, they are a statement.
You don't use racist language by 'accident' any more than you drink and drive by accident.
As a Dale fan, I don't want racists wearing a Dale shirt.
As yet, no-one is deemed guilty of anything, so let's wait for the outcome of the investigation before we debate the punishment. |
100% Agree with all of that. |  |
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| Club Statement on 14:37 - Jan 18 with 1533 views | TTNYear |
| Club Statement on 14:32 - Jan 18 by SuddenLad |
Mistake ?
Racism or racist remarks aren't a mistake, they are a statement.
You don't use racist language by 'accident' any more than you drink and drive by accident.
As a Dale fan, I don't want racists wearing a Dale shirt.
As yet, no-one is deemed guilty of anything, so let's wait for the outcome of the investigation before we debate the punishment. |
You're the one discussing his punishment tbf, with the 'I hope he never wears a Dale shirt ever again'
If said player fully admits his guilt but was apologetic, stating that it was said in the heat of the moment, and has spoke to the player involved and apologised, taking his 8 game ban on the chin. Saying he regrets the incident and vows to improve his behaviour now and in the future. You'd still tell him to bugger off?
#justasking [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Club Statement on 14:39 - Jan 18 with 1526 views | judd |
A bigot can be defined as a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
Just sayin'. | |
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| Club Statement on 15:16 - Jan 18 with 1451 views | D_Alien |
| Club Statement on 14:39 - Jan 18 by judd |
A bigot can be defined as a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
Just sayin'. |
What's a female bigot called? |  |
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| Club Statement on 15:18 - Jan 18 with 1444 views | judd |
| Club Statement on 15:16 - Jan 18 by D_Alien |
What's a female bigot called? |
Wrong. | |
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| Club Statement on 15:22 - Jan 18 with 1433 views | D_Alien |
| Club Statement on 15:18 - Jan 18 by judd |
Wrong. |
Not Gillian Duffy? | |
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| Club Statement on 18:33 - Jan 18 with 1350 views | Shun |
Horrible woman. |  | | |
| Club Statement on 20:35 - Jan 18 with 1303 views | SuddenLad |
| Club Statement on 14:37 - Jan 18 by TTNYear |
You're the one discussing his punishment tbf, with the 'I hope he never wears a Dale shirt ever again'
If said player fully admits his guilt but was apologetic, stating that it was said in the heat of the moment, and has spoke to the player involved and apologised, taking his 8 game ban on the chin. Saying he regrets the incident and vows to improve his behaviour now and in the future. You'd still tell him to bugger off?
#justasking [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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If the allegation is unproven then of course, no debate exists as to any punishment. The whole sorry issue should then be forgotten. Back to clean sheets and all parties move forward.
If found guilty, he (or any other player at any other club) should be sacked for Gross Misconduct and sent packing. Zero tolerance is the only way to approach the matter.
I wouldn't imagine any club who claims to have strong community links could retain credibility if they continued to employ him. You can't spout 'Kick Out Racism' in a blaze of publicity and then pick and choose the occasions when it applies to you and your own employees.
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| Club Statement on 21:08 - Jan 18 with 1270 views | phomem |
| Club Statement on 20:35 - Jan 18 by SuddenLad |
If the allegation is unproven then of course, no debate exists as to any punishment. The whole sorry issue should then be forgotten. Back to clean sheets and all parties move forward.
If found guilty, he (or any other player at any other club) should be sacked for Gross Misconduct and sent packing. Zero tolerance is the only way to approach the matter.
I wouldn't imagine any club who claims to have strong community links could retain credibility if they continued to employ him. You can't spout 'Kick Out Racism' in a blaze of publicity and then pick and choose the occasions when it applies to you and your own employees.
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Wait to see if he's guilty before getting judgemental. |  | | |
| Club Statement on 22:03 - Jan 18 with 1242 views | Shun |
| Club Statement on 20:35 - Jan 18 by SuddenLad |
If the allegation is unproven then of course, no debate exists as to any punishment. The whole sorry issue should then be forgotten. Back to clean sheets and all parties move forward.
If found guilty, he (or any other player at any other club) should be sacked for Gross Misconduct and sent packing. Zero tolerance is the only way to approach the matter.
I wouldn't imagine any club who claims to have strong community links could retain credibility if they continued to employ him. You can't spout 'Kick Out Racism' in a blaze of publicity and then pick and choose the occasions when it applies to you and your own employees.
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I'm sure Chelsea and Liverpool support the Kick It Out scheme but they haven't been sacking any players recently. | | | |
| Club Statement on 09:04 - Jan 19 with 1208 views | TTNYear |
| Club Statement on 20:35 - Jan 18 by SuddenLad |
If the allegation is unproven then of course, no debate exists as to any punishment. The whole sorry issue should then be forgotten. Back to clean sheets and all parties move forward.
If found guilty, he (or any other player at any other club) should be sacked for Gross Misconduct and sent packing. Zero tolerance is the only way to approach the matter.
I wouldn't imagine any club who claims to have strong community links could retain credibility if they continued to employ him. You can't spout 'Kick Out Racism' in a blaze of publicity and then pick and choose the occasions when it applies to you and your own employees.
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What's the view like in your ivory tower??
The point being is that in your eyes Paul a person is not allowed to make a mistake, apologise and be forgiven... Just because its racism. If a person is genuinely sorry and makes intimations to correct their error I like to think I have it in my heart to forgive them... It seems you march then down to the gallows. Then again you have form for that kind of behaviour.
This may all be irrelevant by the way. Said player might not give two shytes and no statement issued but I don't like the ..if he's guilty hang the tw@t... Viewpoint... I'm a bit more human than that... You're clearly a leftie and one would have thought you'd have a bit more of a humanistic side to you... regards fairness and forgiveness. Your posts don't suggest that. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Club Statement on 20:20 - Jan 19 with 1122 views | Dale_316 |
| Club Statement on 17:32 - Jan 13 by judd |
I think the police statement you refer to embellished what was actually said, even the the fooker wasn't even there! Mitchell never denied the argument, just the extent of profanity.
The "witness" in the Sun link said the remark was made "apparently" and also that he "heard" it.
Make your own minds up.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4741015/Bobby-Grant-accused- |
should just shake hands and get on with it, we pay to watch football not politics!!!! |  |
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| Club Statement on 17:53 - Jan 20 with 1033 views | soulboy |
IF the player is found guilty of racism then of course he should be shown the door. Having said that, the club dont seem to have a problem with having a convicted cheat as captain. |  | | |
| Club Statement on 19:46 - Jan 20 with 989 views | SuddenLad |
| Club Statement on 09:04 - Jan 19 by TTNYear |
What's the view like in your ivory tower??
The point being is that in your eyes Paul a person is not allowed to make a mistake, apologise and be forgiven... Just because its racism. If a person is genuinely sorry and makes intimations to correct their error I like to think I have it in my heart to forgive them... It seems you march then down to the gallows. Then again you have form for that kind of behaviour.
This may all be irrelevant by the way. Said player might not give two shytes and no statement issued but I don't like the ..if he's guilty hang the tw@t... Viewpoint... I'm a bit more human than that... You're clearly a leftie and one would have thought you'd have a bit more of a humanistic side to you... regards fairness and forgiveness. Your posts don't suggest that. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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It's not about 'mistakes' though, it's about attitudes. If it WERE about mistakes, then yes of course apologies should be considered, hands shaken and we move on - assuming that the apology is sincere and that it is accepted by the person wronged.
In this situation, IF the player (or any other) is ultimately found to be responsible (which I truly hope he isn't) then you have to consider the wider implications. Sometimes an apology will not be deemed to be sufficient.
Rochdale AFC would then be seen as a 'tainted brand' in the eyes of many and unfortunately, that stigma will stick, in the same way that we all accuse bURY of being 'cheats'. It matters not that the apology has been made, because it will be raked up at every opportunity and used as a stick to beat the club and supporters with.
As is always the case, no player is bigger than the club and if sacrifices have to be made, then so be it.
At the moment, it is perhaps as well that we are a League Two side, because a higher profile would attract a blaze of idiotic publicity. The farcical Suarez/Evra situation should never have been allowed to escalate in the way that it did, but once the press got a sniff it was all out war - one which carries on at every opportunity, whether deserved or not.
I repeat, I sincerely hope that we don't get to that stage and that the player is deemed to have been either 'misunderstood' or 'misinterpreted'. For the good of all concerned, let's hope. | |
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| Club Statement on 20:08 - Jan 20 with 968 views | NotEyreClue |
| Club Statement on 19:46 - Jan 20 by SuddenLad |
It's not about 'mistakes' though, it's about attitudes. If it WERE about mistakes, then yes of course apologies should be considered, hands shaken and we move on - assuming that the apology is sincere and that it is accepted by the person wronged.
In this situation, IF the player (or any other) is ultimately found to be responsible (which I truly hope he isn't) then you have to consider the wider implications. Sometimes an apology will not be deemed to be sufficient.
Rochdale AFC would then be seen as a 'tainted brand' in the eyes of many and unfortunately, that stigma will stick, in the same way that we all accuse bURY of being 'cheats'. It matters not that the apology has been made, because it will be raked up at every opportunity and used as a stick to beat the club and supporters with.
As is always the case, no player is bigger than the club and if sacrifices have to be made, then so be it.
At the moment, it is perhaps as well that we are a League Two side, because a higher profile would attract a blaze of idiotic publicity. The farcical Suarez/Evra situation should never have been allowed to escalate in the way that it did, but once the press got a sniff it was all out war - one which carries on at every opportunity, whether deserved or not.
I repeat, I sincerely hope that we don't get to that stage and that the player is deemed to have been either 'misunderstood' or 'misinterpreted'. For the good of all concerned, let's hope. |
I'm assuming then, that you subscribe to the idea that if you make a racist comment/statement then you're automatically a racist?
99.9% percent of people have had racist thoughts at one time or another and to argue otherwise is wholly unrealistic, it's just that some people are better at biting their tongues than others.
Now, in no way am I condoning casual racism but to question someone's attitude because they made a statement in the heat of the moment seems a bit extreme. |  |
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| Club Statement on 20:34 - Jan 20 with 938 views | SuddenLad |
| Club Statement on 20:08 - Jan 20 by NotEyreClue |
I'm assuming then, that you subscribe to the idea that if you make a racist comment/statement then you're automatically a racist?
99.9% percent of people have had racist thoughts at one time or another and to argue otherwise is wholly unrealistic, it's just that some people are better at biting their tongues than others.
Now, in no way am I condoning casual racism but to question someone's attitude because they made a statement in the heat of the moment seems a bit extreme. |
I'm not questioning his attitude and no, I don't subscribe to the idea you put forward. Similarly, someone who has a pint of beer, isn't an alcoholic. It's about deeply held beliefs and attitudes. I don't make any such 'assumptions' about any individual. I do not know him, nor have I ever spoken to him.
As we all know, racism is the current 'taboo' and the problem is, others definitely won't see this situation in the same way.
Our football authorities in particular like to make a big statement about how well they run the game and with every sporting arena now emblazoned with anti-racist slogans we get a good idea of how important the issue is and how seriously they appear to take the problem (Unless you are UEFA investigating Serbia of course). Inevitably, any punishments will be 'deterrent' sentences.
The only person who can ever tell you whether any remarks were 'racist' is the person that uttered them.
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| Club Statement on 20:54 - Jan 20 with 930 views | PDIDDY |
I'm half cast and have always been raciallyabused at spotland, first visit early to mid 70s last visit your hammering of the shaggers 2years ago.. Nothing changes |  |
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| Club Statement on 21:32 - Jan 20 with 909 views | off2div1 |
| Club Statement on 20:54 - Jan 20 by PDIDDY |
I'm half cast and have always been raciallyabused at spotland, first visit early to mid 70s last visit your hammering of the shaggers 2years ago.. Nothing changes |
I doubt you are because the term you use can cause offence please use the term mixed race or dual heritage. |  | | |
| Club Statement on 21:37 - Jan 20 with 902 views | PDIDDY |
| Club Statement on 21:32 - Jan 20 by off2div1 |
I doubt you are because the term you use can cause offence please use the term mixed race or dual heritage. |
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| Club Statement on 21:47 - Jan 20 with 897 views | off2div1 |
| Club Statement on 21:37 - Jan 20 by PDIDDY |
Ok you know |
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| Club Statement on 22:10 - Jan 20 with 874 views | TVOS1907 |
| Club Statement on 20:54 - Jan 20 by PDIDDY |
I'm half cast and have always been raciallyabused at spotland, first visit early to mid 70s last visit your hammering of the shaggers 2years ago.. Nothing changes |
More like half pint. |  |
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