| Lillis 17:12 - Nov 2 with 10227 views | macro |
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| Lillis on 18:48 - Nov 7 with 1798 views | trueblue83 |
| Lillis on 17:30 - Nov 7 by 442Dale |
Lillis has had a good start to the season but fans are only highlighting mistakes, the same sort of thing Keith Hill did in his interview. Of course he rightly did not name individual players and others made errors leading to the goals on Saturday.
Nothing wrong with debating individual roles and players on here, eg. Lillis has made a couple in the last two home games (Northampton's second being the other) On both occasions other players could have done better, but so should he. The best thing would be if he eradicated the errors, but a time will come when he'll be left out if he doesn't. That's Hill decision, let's see when it is. |
"Other players should have done better, but so should he"
I agree entirely, but why are we focusing on one player then?
We play as a team, we defend as a team.
You rightly state KH will make the decision, but can we not just support whoever KH goes with and trust his judgement?
This thread can only have a negative impact should Josh choose to read it. |  |
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| Lillis on 19:19 - Nov 7 with 1763 views | 442Dale |
| Lillis on 18:48 - Nov 7 by trueblue83 |
"Other players should have done better, but so should he"
I agree entirely, but why are we focusing on one player then?
We play as a team, we defend as a team.
You rightly state KH will make the decision, but can we not just support whoever KH goes with and trust his judgement?
This thread can only have a negative impact should Josh choose to read it. |
Dicker received criticism for his part in the second goal, as did Rose for his defending v Northampton. Goalkeepers, by the very nature of their role, receive the ultimate focus when it comes to goals against. Possibly unfair, but that's football.
Lillis himself will realise his place is under threat and should he stumble across a messageboard he should half expect to read it. It's impossible to decide which players should or shouldn't be discussed, and as long as it doesn't get abusive, that's what forums are for. [Post edited 7 Nov 2013 19:22]
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| Lillis on 20:14 - Nov 7 with 1715 views | ColDale |
| Lillis on 17:30 - Nov 7 by 442Dale |
Lillis has had a good start to the season but fans are only highlighting mistakes, the same sort of thing Keith Hill did in his interview. Of course he rightly did not name individual players and others made errors leading to the goals on Saturday.
Nothing wrong with debating individual roles and players on here, eg. Lillis has made a couple in the last two home games (Northampton's second being the other) On both occasions other players could have done better, but so should he. The best thing would be if he eradicated the errors, but a time will come when he'll be left out if he doesn't. That's Hill decision, let's see when it is. |
I'd say there's a difference between mistakes such as Lillis made, and the mistakes in terms of decision making. The likes of Lillis' error will always be made, and I don't think there is anything that Hill can do to legislate for them. Added competition won't make a difference for this type of thing.
I think Lillis is still besmirched by the way he played under Coleman with the German keeper coach. There's clearly a different style to his play - less punching, more agility and a great focus on launching the attack. The coaching under Coleman tried to coach a keeper to play an alien style of play, whilst under Hill it seems to be more recognising his strengths and playing to them. On the whole, Lillis' form under Hill has been excellent.
Those in danger of being dropped are those who didn't do their job. Those who made wrong decisions by not marking up, by ignoring team instructions.
That said with all these talk of changes, I can't see Hill making too many changes. Hogan for Cummins if PNE won't let him play, and maybe Vincenti for Done. |  | | |
| Lillis on 23:30 - Nov 7 with 1629 views | D_Alien |
| Lillis on 20:14 - Nov 7 by ColDale |
I'd say there's a difference between mistakes such as Lillis made, and the mistakes in terms of decision making. The likes of Lillis' error will always be made, and I don't think there is anything that Hill can do to legislate for them. Added competition won't make a difference for this type of thing.
I think Lillis is still besmirched by the way he played under Coleman with the German keeper coach. There's clearly a different style to his play - less punching, more agility and a great focus on launching the attack. The coaching under Coleman tried to coach a keeper to play an alien style of play, whilst under Hill it seems to be more recognising his strengths and playing to them. On the whole, Lillis' form under Hill has been excellent.
Those in danger of being dropped are those who didn't do their job. Those who made wrong decisions by not marking up, by ignoring team instructions.
That said with all these talk of changes, I can't see Hill making too many changes. Hogan for Cummins if PNE won't let him play, and maybe Vincenti for Done. |
"Added competition won't make a difference for this type of thing."
You might expect me to reply to this point. If competition for places isn't a factor in levels of playing performance, why do we have a squad of professionals rather than a first XI and just a bunch of kids (or a development squad?). The answer is too obvious to need stating.
I think I understand what you're getting at, which is that competition won't eliminate mistakes - players are human (obviously) which is why RochdaleLeeds posts are so irritating because he seems to be suggesting we're not capable of taking this into account.
The real issue is much more simple - and I refer back to my previous posts. If we have a goalkeeper who's worth paying a professional salary in Thomson, there comes a point when he should be given a chance - and unfortunately Lillis has presented him with that opportunity. Whether Hilly sees it that way is up to him - but as a point of debate on a football forum it's just about as close to the interests of fans as its possible to get!
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| Lillis on 23:03 - Nov 8 with 1501 views | RochdaleLeeds |
D-Alien, I do know people can take such things into account but the high majority of people do not, that is what irritates me and I see red and go ranting.
Fair play if some people don't like Lillis and yes every keeper including him can improve massively on parts of their game but at this level and for this club Lillis is a very good goalkeeper. He now does the simple things, the proper footballing things and quite frankly looks to be enjoying himself more which has improved his game.
But 2 games have seen a bad decision and an unfortunate incident out of him (maybe 3 with getting beat at his front post at Dag) and now people are on his back like the 3 losses are his fault.
TrueBlue83 was right in the 'defend as a team' We are Team Rochdale remember, we get back on the horse as one so lets do that. Remember we are league 2 and even though we have a fantastic squad we are going to have crazy days and horrible mistakes during some games because thats football. |  | | |
| Lillis on 23:11 - Nov 8 with 1494 views | TVOS1907 |
| Lillis on 23:03 - Nov 8 by RochdaleLeeds |
D-Alien, I do know people can take such things into account but the high majority of people do not, that is what irritates me and I see red and go ranting.
Fair play if some people don't like Lillis and yes every keeper including him can improve massively on parts of their game but at this level and for this club Lillis is a very good goalkeeper. He now does the simple things, the proper footballing things and quite frankly looks to be enjoying himself more which has improved his game.
But 2 games have seen a bad decision and an unfortunate incident out of him (maybe 3 with getting beat at his front post at Dag) and now people are on his back like the 3 losses are his fault.
TrueBlue83 was right in the 'defend as a team' We are Team Rochdale remember, we get back on the horse as one so lets do that. Remember we are league 2 and even though we have a fantastic squad we are going to have crazy days and horrible mistakes during some games because thats football. |
And that's why we have a 'squad'.
Every player will know - and the manager will instill this into them - that their place is always under threat should they let their guard or their standards drop.
Lillis is no different to every outfield player in that respect. |  |
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| Lillis on 23:36 - Nov 8 with 1478 views | KenBoon |
It's always the way of some Rochdale fans too pick the obvious and blame the goalie. Let's not forget that Matthew Gilks (current Championship and former Premier League Goalkeeper) got dogs abuse from some people. Frank Fielding (England Under 21 International) received similar and even the highly praised Tom Heaton was given abuse in his short time with us. |  | | |
| Lillis on 11:35 - Nov 9 with 1394 views | D_Alien |
| Lillis on 23:03 - Nov 8 by RochdaleLeeds |
D-Alien, I do know people can take such things into account but the high majority of people do not, that is what irritates me and I see red and go ranting.
Fair play if some people don't like Lillis and yes every keeper including him can improve massively on parts of their game but at this level and for this club Lillis is a very good goalkeeper. He now does the simple things, the proper footballing things and quite frankly looks to be enjoying himself more which has improved his game.
But 2 games have seen a bad decision and an unfortunate incident out of him (maybe 3 with getting beat at his front post at Dag) and now people are on his back like the 3 losses are his fault.
TrueBlue83 was right in the 'defend as a team' We are Team Rochdale remember, we get back on the horse as one so lets do that. Remember we are league 2 and even though we have a fantastic squad we are going to have crazy days and horrible mistakes during some games because thats football. |
Some fair points there, and when I'm at the game its very much Team Rochdale as far as I'm concerned.
But that's why we have a forum, to air those issues which need airing and which the players can choose to read or not. When we have a situation where clubs are starting to ban journalists who produce anything but positive copy, the game is on a slippery slope and the gap between the clubs and their followers moving ever further apart. Team Rochdale when it suits, maybe? On both sides. | |
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| Lillis on 11:57 - Nov 9 with 1361 views | RotherhamDale |
I think that footballers are often mistaken for over-sensitive toddlers who get upset or throw a tantrum if they're dropped from the team. Lillis made a mistake last week that cost us the game, we know he's a decent keeper, but lets give Thomson a chance today.
He might turn out to be a future Premier League keeper (whereas Josh certainly isn't). |  |
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| Lillis on 00:03 - Nov 10 with 1335 views | macro |
Did everything expected of him today, no dramas | | | |
| Lillis on 19:13 - Nov 11 with 1206 views | finberty |
'...even the highly praised Tom Heaton was given abuse in his short time with us..'
Unfortunately that observation speaks volumes about some of the judgement displayed on here from time to time. When the hell did Heaton ever do anything to incur our wrath??
Unbelievable. |  | | |
| Lillis on 11:22 - Nov 12 with 1133 views | D_Alien |
| Lillis on 19:13 - Nov 11 by finberty |
'...even the highly praised Tom Heaton was given abuse in his short time with us..'
Unfortunately that observation speaks volumes about some of the judgement displayed on here from time to time. When the hell did Heaton ever do anything to incur our wrath??
Unbelievable. |
Nothing, of course.
I'm just speculating but I doubt there was any adverse "judgement" on here - the post almost certainly refers to comments shouted at games, if that's what occurred.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. | |
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| Lillis on 11:37 - Nov 12 with 1125 views | dingdangblue |
| Lillis on 11:22 - Nov 12 by D_Alien |
Nothing, of course.
I'm just speculating but I doubt there was any adverse "judgement" on here - the post almost certainly refers to comments shouted at games, if that's what occurred.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. |
If I remember correctly there were a few Utd haters who made comments about Heaton after we lost to Chesterfield in his 1st game - after that we won something like 8 and drew 2 and all his Redness was forgiven. |  |
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| Lillis on 12:11 - Nov 12 with 1097 views | D_Alien |
| Lillis on 11:37 - Nov 12 by dingdangblue |
If I remember correctly there were a few Utd haters who made comments about Heaton after we lost to Chesterfield in his 1st game - after that we won something like 8 and drew 2 and all his Redness was forgiven. |
Fair enough. Heaton's Redness was nothing to theirs.  | |
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